One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[WarrenB]

HTP99 said:

Interesting and anyway if out on a lesson, how will being let out from a side road to a main road, in such a way, help the learner to learn how to pull out safely in normal conditions.

I get it if it's the morning and it's busy with morning traffic moving at a relative slow pace or stop start traffic; I do it to help someone get out of a side road and it happens to me too, but I cannot stand it when it is quiet and/or free flowing, there is just no need for it and it can catch you off guard too.

A friend of mine failed her driving test because someone let her pull out of a side street. Apparently it's a big no no, or that's what she was told by the examiner once the test was over.

She was gutted as it was her only fault.

[kowalski655]

What was she meant to do? Sit there and watch the other car wave her out madly while a queue builds up?

[anonymous-user]

kowalski655 said:

What was she meant to do? Sit there and watch the other car wave her out madly while a queue builds up?

I had exactly that on my bike test. The test centre was on a busy main road and the test route meant you had to turn right, going across the road. It was a well known failure if you pulled out when someone flashed you. I annoyed quite a few motorists who thought they were doing me a favour on my test.

[Liquid Knight]

Grahamdub said:

kowalski655 said:

What was she meant to do? Sit there and watch the other car wave her out madly while a queue builds up?

I had exactly that on my bike test. The test centre was on a busy main road and the test route meant you had to turn right, going across the road. It was a well known failure if you pulled out when someone flashed you. I annoyed quite a few motorists who thought they were doing me a favour on my test.

It's about control, safety and liability.

If someone "flashes" you out of a junction that's fine but do they know what's going to happen next?

What if the driver behind was impatient or could not see what was going on. Pulled out to overtake the good samaritan and had a head on collision with the learner. It would be the leaner driver at fault (provided the overtake was done correctly).

When I did my bike test twenty odd years ago the assessor and I caught up to a tractor and even though the driver waved us by I waited until I could see it was safe to overtake myself before I did. It would have been a fail to follow the tractor drivers instruction/suggestion back then.

Flashing headlights is only to make other road user aware of your presence.

[Pica-Pica]

I rarely flash people out, I frequently wait a good car’s length away. That usually works. However, before that, I have checked (or am aware of) the traffic behind if there is just a car or two behind me, the entrant can wait for that gap. I am also aware whether any bikes may be filtering past (to the left or the right).

As for a learner on a test, yes, a flash means ‘I am here (in case you have not seen me)’ nothing else. So it is best to provide space for a learner, but not confusion.

[aclivity]

As an aside, I REALLY hate I TV when drivers try to let me out when I am on my bike. Got to the point last week when I got flashed and beeped with a wave, I had to do a big wave to get them to carry on.

I really don't like being flashed out!

[j_4m]

People who overtake then cut in front of you from L2/L3 to L1 to make a junction when the lane is clear behind your car. It's like I specifically left that gap between me and the car in front for you to squeeze into, brake down to junction speed, then turn off you total fking spastic.

[Blown2CV]

j_4m said:

People who overtake then cut in front of you from L2/L3 to L1 to make a junction when the lane is clear behind your car. It's like I specifically left that gap between me and the car in front for you to squeeze into, brake down to junction speed, then turn off you total fking spastic.

i often use M6 J21 southbound, which is just after J21A where the M62 joins the M6. So basically I just cock-blocked every single time by tons of slow lorries and slow cars joining from the left, then following each other nose-to-tail leaving no space to get across, unless you want to get over to the left and piddle along at 50mph max for 4 miles. The weirdest bit is that everyone always seems to think that L1 becomes a filter lane and leaves it clear, even though it is not a filter and the signs don't suggest it either. So if you can get over to L1 then you're in an empty lane. Stupid.

[WarrenB]

aclivity said:

As an aside, I REALLY hate I TV when drivers try to let me out when I am on my bike. Got to the point last week when I got flashed and beeped with a wave, I had to do a big wave to get them to carry on.

I really don't like being flashed out!

I find myself having to do that quite often when trying to turn right near the end of my street, it's usually slow moving traffic on the main road, and I can almost guarantee that someone coming from the right will stop and flash me out. Oblivious to the faster flowing stream of traffic from the left.

[PF62]

I know posted in the "Sh*t driving caught on cam" thread, but the tt behind the wheel fully meets the "knob" criteria -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uIxyn0C38I&fe...

[nobrakes]

JCollins said:

Triumph Man said:

Blown2CV said:

JCollins said:

Rawwr said:

People who mount their phone like this.

How dare they mount their phone on the windscreen correctly with the appropriate equipment.

you're probably looking at the smaller mount in the middle of the windscreen, rather than the fking giant tablet-sized one right in front of the driver

It's like a head up display

My apologies. It's so big I didn't ever register it as being something on the inside if the car. I thought it was some sticker on the back of the car infront or something. What the fk is that thing?


lol heads up display.

Edited by JCollins on Sunday 24th March 10:04

The smaller black phone/nav mount is just as bad tbh.

It’s right in the middle of the windscreen as well. Unbelievable, knob cheese.

It should be in the lower right hand corner of the windscreen.

[yellowjack]

HTP99 said:

Interesting and anyway if out on a lesson, how will being let out from a side road to a main road, in such a way, help the learner to learn how to pull out safely in normal conditions.

I get it if it's the morning and it's busy with morning traffic moving at a relative slow pace or stop start traffic; I do it to help someone get out of a side road and it happens to me too, but I cannot stand it when it is quiet and/or free flowing, there is just no need for it and it can catch you off guard too.

There's a lane I cross on my mountain bike, to get from the trails on one side to the trails on the other. Two days ago I was heading home and rolled up to the road, and a couple of cars whizzed past me, as was their right. Then along came a woman in a Corsa (a battered old one), and despite the road being completely clear in both directions, aside from her, she braked to a complete stop to let me cross.

Bizarre behaviour. Just a glance in her mirror would have told her that I was going to have no trouble crossing the road without assistance, and she could have carried on her journey without interruption.

I get it on a busy road where I cross at a roundabout (a bridleway crosses an 'A' road) and at peak times traffic is at a crawl anyway, so drivers often open a larger gap than usual and give me time to get across. And I appreciate that, as they lose no time at all getting to the head of the queue. But like you say, when traffic is free flowing at decent speed, why fk up the flow of traffic (and risk getting rear-ended by some Magoo) just to "do a nice thing"? Because that "nice thing" for the driver/rider waiting at the give way line is actively inconveniencing drivers behind them.

Wkspangles, the lot of them...

[yellowjack]

PF62 said:

I know posted in the "Sh*t driving caught on cam" thread, but the tt behind the wheel fully meets the "knob" criteria -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uIxyn0C38I&fe...

Yeah, but I iz parked diagonally over two disabled spaces coz I, like, don't want my £160k car scratched or nuffink. Innit. Bruvv...

Driving like that on public streets? What a wkspangle. I soooooooo hope it was covered third party only.

[WarrenB]

yellowjack said:

Yeah, but I iz parked diagonally over two disabled spaces coz I, like, don't want my £160k car scratched or nuffink. Innit. Bruvv...

Driving like that on public streets? What a wkspangle. I soooooooo hope it was covered third party only.

I don't know why, but all the numpties filming on their iPhones none stop annoy me almost as much as the absolute pillock who crashed in the first place. Because what people really want to see are 10 second close up videos of a mangled wheel on their instagram stories.

[Mandalore]

Liquid Knight said:

Grahamdub said:

kowalski655 said:

What was she meant to do? Sit there and watch the other car wave her out madly while a queue builds up?

I had exactly that on my bike test. The test centre was on a busy main road and the test route meant you had to turn right, going across the road. It was a well known failure if you pulled out when someone flashed you. I annoyed quite a few motorists who thought they were doing me a favour on my test.

It's about control, safety and liability.

If someone "flashes" you out of a junction that's fine but do they know what's going to happen next?

What if the driver behind was impatient or could not see what was going on. Pulled out to overtake the good samaritan and had a head on collision with the learner. It would be the leaner driver at fault (provided the overtake was done correctly).

When I did my bike test twenty odd years ago the assessor and I caught up to a tractor and even though the driver waved us by I waited until I could see it was safe to overtake myself before I did. It would have been a fail to follow the tractor drivers instruction/suggestion back then.

Flashing headlights is only to make other road user aware of your presence.

I remember my instructor stating that somone flashing their lights, was a warning, not an invitation. You were not to proceed.

[Ar63]

The ass in an Audi who was flooring it as he approached the roundabout from the exit before mine. I decided to slow down as much as possible as I had a feeling he wouldn't stop even if I was right in front of him. He slowed but didn't stop. Decided to let him pass even though I had right of way, no point taking the risk, especially with my family in the car.

The driver in the Mercedes who kept braking for unknown reasons on the approach and travel through the Blackwall tunnel. Nice flowing traffic yet they persisted in braking briefly every few seconds, really annoyed me.

And a regular occurrence, people who queue up in traffic in the opposite lane and block me from turning right into a car park I use. I end up with no option but to hold up traffic behind me since my lane isn't wide enough for 2 cars to pass side by side. It's not that flipping difficult to keep some space for cars to turn in

Edited by Ar63 on Monday 25th March 23:27

[lyonspride]

Driving so slowly down a 70 limit dual carriageway, that cars in the slip lane are overtaking you........... And then getting so offended by this, that you need to lean on the horn.

[Toaster Pilot]

Ar63 said:

The ass in an Audi who was flooring it as he approached the roundabout from the exit before mine. I decided to slow down as much as possible as I had a feeling he wouldn't stop even if I was right in front of him. He slowed but didn't stop. Decided to let him pass even though I had right of way, no point taking the risk, especially with my family in the car.

The driver in the Mercedes who kept braking for unknown reasons on the approach and travel through the Blackwall tunnel. Nice flowing traffic yet they persisted in braking briefly every few seconds, really annoyed me.

And a regular occurrence, people who queue up in traffic in the opposite lane and block me from turning right into a car park I use. I end up with no option but to hold up traffic behind me since my lane isn't wide enough for 2 cars to pass side by side. It's not that flipping difficult to keep some space for cars to turn in

Edited by Ar63 on Monday 25th March 23:27

Wonder if the Merc had adaptive cruise control on and either set a bit high or the car in front kept changing speed? These systems seem to brake more often than they probably should

[Liquid Knight]

Toaster Pilot said:

Ar63 said:

The ass in an Audi who was flooring it as he approached the roundabout from the exit before mine. I decided to slow down as much as possible as I had a feeling he wouldn't stop even if I was right in front of him. He slowed but didn't stop. Decided to let him pass even though I had right of way, no point taking the risk, especially with my family in the car.

The driver in the Mercedes who kept braking for unknown reasons on the approach and travel through the Blackwall tunnel. Nice flowing traffic yet they persisted in braking briefly every few seconds, really annoyed me.

And a regular occurrence, people who queue up in traffic in the opposite lane and block me from turning right into a car park I use. I end up with no option but to hold up traffic behind me since my lane isn't wide enough for 2 cars to pass side by side. It's not that flipping difficult to keep some space for cars to turn in

Edited by Ar63 on Monday 25th March 23:27

Wonder if the Merc had adaptive cruise control on and either set a bit high or the car in front kept changing speed? These systems seem to brake more often than they probably should

What he said.

Last time I was on the A1(M) a Jag F-face was weaving in and out of traffic and basically doing emergency stops every time the mushy thing behind the wheel changed lanes too close the vehicle ahead of him/her/tablelamp. When I overtook the mushy thing (note I refuse to use the word "driver") looked as if they were about to have a panic attack. Red faced, thumping the steering wheel out of frustration and a quite perplexed facial expression.

He/she/tablelamp then pulled into the next lay by and the headlights went off and back on a few times. I guessed it was adaptive cruise control and they were trying to reset it?

[Ar63]

Toaster Pilot said:

Wonder if the Merc had adaptive cruise control on and either set a bit high or the car in front kept changing speed? These systems seem to brake more often than they probably should

Yes, possibly, I didn't think of that. I was just glad to clear the tunnel and sweep past him. If it was adaptive cruise control, it was very crappy use of it