One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[Harji]

yellowjack said:

Thesprucegoose said:

fat middle aged man who ran over a puppy on a canal path(story on FB), hopefully someone will push him into the canal next time.

We need more info. Like "was the dog on a lead" or "under control by it's owner" at the time.

A bunch of us out mountain biking once nearly ran over a wailing Banshee's Jack Russell. She went off on one about suing us, and "what would have happened if you'd ran it over?"

She didn't take kindly to the suggestion that she ought to have had the dog under control, because it was forty feet away when we picked our line down the hill deliberately to avoid her, her fat chavvy family, and their yappy mutts. But it was our fault that we'd nearly run the beast over after it had run those forty feet to get to us with it's snarling and bared teeth.

And the what would have happened if we'd run it over? Well the Orthopaedic Veterinary Surgeon who was leading the ride would probably have treated it for free. He didn't think much of the care and control this weeble was exercising over her dog any more than the rest of our group.

Suffice to say, things escalated when it was pointed out that there were bylaws in place requiring her to have the dog under control on an MOD training area. Her response was to wail repeatedly that it was common land because she'd "read it on the internet". And her male companions? The fat fkers decided they'd like to escalate it to violence, which was a laughable suggestion given their obvious weight-related physical limitations.

She's probably screaming "it's common land you cts" at the top of her voice even now, 18 months on. And she probab;y still lets the nasty little st of a dog off the lead in areas frequented by cyclists too. Because doing the sensible thing and taking better care of her dog would be far more hassle than causing unnecessary confrontation.


So. For the benefit of those of us who cannot be faffed with Facebook, please provide the details of the case. Preferably with some sort of independent corroboration of the whole sorry tale by an eyewitness not linked to the dog owner. I'm not suggesting that the story is made up, but there are three sides to every story. The claim, the counterclaim, and then there's the truth, usually found somewhere between the two.

True story time? I was cycling up a restricted byway, up hill, so probably around 5 mph to 8 mph, not even jogging pace. Suddenly, from out of the woodland on my right, came a Border Collie. Snarling, bared teeth, belly to the ground, it came charging at me, missed, but came around from behind me for a second attempt. It bit my foot, but stout shoes and the pedal underneath persuaded it to let go before it drew blood. But the snarling beast had triggered a "fight or flight" decision. And that was to fight, because I instinctively knew there was no way i could outrun it. So I leapt off the bike, made myself as big as possible, and raised a fist to punch the deranged dog square in the head. Trouble was, it wouldn't stay still to be hit. But i was yelling and screaming, threatening to beat it to death against a tree if i caught it, and at that point in proceedings I bloody-well meant it too.

Then two women emerged from the woods and the dog fked off with it's tail between it's legs. Their response to the suggestion that the dog had bitten me and was therefore dangerously out of control? "It's only a dog!" Quite. With all the teeth and claws and unpredictable behaviour of a canine. And more than capable of killing an adult human being if it so desired.

What's my point? Dog owners (and their precious "fur babies") are not always the most reasonable life forms on the canal towpath, they are definitely not always as benign as they'd like you to believe, and when push comes to shove and they need to persuade the court of public opinion that they've been hard-done-by, they'll lie through their miserable teeth and never back down when faced with a few home truths.

Sadly, I once killed a puppy, it had ran out onto the road, unleashed between parked cars. I had swerved to avoid but caught it on my corner. What did I get for pulling over, leaving my details with a neighbour ( I even tried to say sorry but the young girl was distraught) ? I had her brotther and friends come round my house and threarten me. This was a while ago so we had a Police force that was not decimated by cuts. They came round to interview me the next day. As the dog was off the leash, I was not speeding, they were not interested pursuing it, we spent the next 30 mins watching the Riddick Bowe v Golota highlights that I had recorded they were good chaps.

[numtumfutunch]

Dash cams

Just when I was about to join the nasally voiced posse of outrage Ive realised that just about everybody I meet on the road dawdling along at 20mph and/or having the lane discipline of a selfish version of Genghis Khan has one plastered to the middle of their windscreen

And you wonder why they capture so much action?

Easy explanation when the driving of your average DCW would antagonise even Mother Theresa into monumental road rage and retribution

wkers, the lot of them

And relax

[Blown2CV]

Harji said:

Sadly, I once killed a puppy, it had ran out onto the road, unleashed between parked cars. I had swerved to avoid but caught it on my corner. What did I get for pulling over, leaving my details with a neighbour ( I even tried to say sorry but the young girl was distraught) ? I had her brotther and friends come round my house and threarten me. This was a while ago so we had a Police force that was not decimated by cuts. They came round to interview me the next day. As the dog was off the leash, I was not speeding, they were not interested pursuing it, we spent the next 30 mins watching the Riddick Bowe v Golota highlights that I had recorded they were good chaps.

someone on our local FB group posted a massive rant about how her cat got hit by a car and maniac drivers need to slow down etc. I am going to assume she wasn't watching at the time when the cat was struck, so how the fk does she know the circumstances? Cats get hit by cars all the fking time. They are a fking menace, slinking around the place and running out. You can't drive everywhere at 10mph in case a cat chooses to put itself in danger. If you own a cat, then you accept the risk that one day it is probably going to get flattened, and it's just one of those things. Don't get angry at anyone who runs over your cat, it nearly always would not be their fault. I would choose killing a cat over taking evasive action in all but situations where I am absolutely sure this would not put risk to people either in my car or outside, or in other vehicles. To be quite frank i would choose killing a cat over taking significant damage to my car - so shoot me on that one. Also, I am not about to start knocking on doors in the local area asking if the crushed mass of blood, bones, flesh and fur in my arms is their precious car either. It could be miles from home. Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

[Rawwr]

Blown2CV said:

To be quite frank i would choose killing a cat over taking significant damage to my car

I take the same view with children and pensioners. I mean, I have no emotional attachment to them so f*ck 'em. If they cause significant damage to my car, I'd be seeking compensation from the parents or next of kin, too.

[mikal83]

Rawwr said:

Blown2CV said:

To be quite frank i would choose killing a cat over taking significant damage to my car

I take the same view with children and pensioners. I mean, I have no emotional attachment to them so f*ck 'em. If they cause significant damage to my car, I'd be seeking compensation from the parents or next of kin, too.

OOPS

[Rawwr]

mikal83 said:

OOPS

Sorry, I meant to say I wouldn't actively choose to kill any sentient being because I'm not a sociopath.

[anonymous-user]

Blown2CV said:

Harji said:

Sadly, I once killed a puppy, it had ran out onto the road, unleashed between parked cars. I had swerved to avoid but caught it on my corner. What did I get for pulling over, leaving my details with a neighbour ( I even tried to say sorry but the young girl was distraught) ? I had her brotther and friends come round my house and threarten me. This was a while ago so we had a Police force that was not decimated by cuts. They came round to interview me the next day. As the dog was off the leash, I was not speeding, they were not interested pursuing it, we spent the next 30 mins watching the Riddick Bowe v Golota highlights that I had recorded they were good chaps.

someone on our local FB group posted a massive rant about how her cat got hit by a car and maniac drivers need to slow down etc. I am going to assume she wasn't watching at the time when the cat was struck, so how the fk does she know the circumstances? Cats get hit by cars all the fking time. They are a fking menace, slinking around the place and running out. You can't drive everywhere at 10mph in case a cat chooses to put itself in danger. If you own a cat, then you accept the risk that one day it is probably going to get flattened, and it's just one of those things. Don't get angry at anyone who runs over your cat, it nearly always would not be their fault. I would choose killing a cat over taking evasive action in all but situations where I am absolutely sure this would not put risk to people either in my car or outside, or in other vehicles. To be quite frank i would choose killing a cat over taking significant damage to my car - so shoot me on that one. Also, I am not about to start knocking on doors in the local area asking if the crushed mass of blood, bones, flesh and fur in my arms is their precious car either. It could be miles from home. Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

Substitute "cat" with "toddler" (both have VERY similar road manners) and see how much of a your post makes you sound.

But hey, fk them. As long as your 2CV is safe, hey

[ashleyman]

Blown2CV said:

Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

You do the right thing. Stop the car, see if the animal is ok and potentially take it to a vet to get treatment or at the very least where they can read the chip and inform the owners.

fk anyone who leaves an animal at the side of the road to die alone.

I was walking home one morning and saw someone had hit a cat and driven off, cat was just laying in the road and people were driving round it. Not one of those horrible people stopped. I stopped the traffic and moved the cat out the road and knocked on doors until I found the owner. She was distraught. I got a blanket and took the cat inside for her. Nothing else to be done, it was dead.

It's shouldn't be difficult to be a good person. Perhaps you need putting down.

[Liquid Knight]

King's Lynn's Compoface is back...

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/woman-injured-in-c...

...I hope the gutter tabloids she sold her "story" to have a hypocrisy clause so she'll have to pay it all back.


Wouldn't that be the most ironic thing in the world for a gutter tabloid to have? Never mind.

[Greg the Fish]

Liquid Knight said:

King's Lynn's Compoface is back...

https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/woman-injured-in-c...

...I hope the gutter tabloids she sold her "story" to have a hypocrisy clause so she'll have to pay it all back.


Wouldn't that be the most ironic thing in the world for a gutter tabloid to have? Never mind.

I'm sure she's been counting all the compo with all 12 fingers

[Mandalore]

nonsequitur said:

Rawwr said:

yellowjack said:

a Dentist, an engineer, a senior manager at a leading international computer software company, and a vet.

Sounds like the Village People have updated their look.

So then,

The Dentist never actually takes notice of what anyone else says or does anyway, as during his working day, everyone mumbles at her.

The engineer is too busy talking over everyone to explain that he 'actually has' a proper degree etc..and ridiculing anyone for not owning winter tyres in Jamaica climates.

The senior software manager, doesn't actually do anything anyway, and just takes all the credit when things go right and throws everyone nearby under the bus when it doesn't.

The Vet would have helped, if they'd have been a paying owner.

The cyclist walked into a bar (at least facially, that's how it looks).

Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 17th April 12:50

[Blown2CV]

OpulentBob said:

Blown2CV said:

Harji said:

Sadly, I once killed a puppy, it had ran out onto the road, unleashed between parked cars. I had swerved to avoid but caught it on my corner. What did I get for pulling over, leaving my details with a neighbour ( I even tried to say sorry but the young girl was distraught) ? I had her brotther and friends come round my house and threarten me. This was a while ago so we had a Police force that was not decimated by cuts. They came round to interview me the next day. As the dog was off the leash, I was not speeding, they were not interested pursuing it, we spent the next 30 mins watching the Riddick Bowe v Golota highlights that I had recorded they were good chaps.

someone on our local FB group posted a massive rant about how her cat got hit by a car and maniac drivers need to slow down etc. I am going to assume she wasn't watching at the time when the cat was struck, so how the fk does she know the circumstances? Cats get hit by cars all the fking time. They are a fking menace, slinking around the place and running out. You can't drive everywhere at 10mph in case a cat chooses to put itself in danger. If you own a cat, then you accept the risk that one day it is probably going to get flattened, and it's just one of those things. Don't get angry at anyone who runs over your cat, it nearly always would not be their fault. I would choose killing a cat over taking evasive action in all but situations where I am absolutely sure this would not put risk to people either in my car or outside, or in other vehicles. To be quite frank i would choose killing a cat over taking significant damage to my car - so shoot me on that one. Also, I am not about to start knocking on doors in the local area asking if the crushed mass of blood, bones, flesh and fur in my arms is their precious car either. It could be miles from home. Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

Substitute "cat" with "toddler" (both have VERY similar road manners) and see how much of a your post makes you sound.

But hey, fk them. As long as your 2CV is safe, hey

are you genuinely saying that cats and people are equivalent? They are not.

[Blown2CV]

ashleyman said:

Blown2CV said:

Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

You do the right thing. Stop the car, see if the animal is ok and potentially take it to a vet to get treatment or at the very least where they can read the chip and inform the owners.

fk anyone who leaves an animal at the side of the road to die alone.

I was walking home one morning and saw someone had hit a cat and driven off, cat was just laying in the road and people were driving round it. Not one of those horrible people stopped. I stopped the traffic and moved the cat out the road and knocked on doors until I found the owner. She was distraught. I got a blanket and took the cat inside for her. Nothing else to be done, it was dead.

It's shouldn't be difficult to be a good person. Perhaps you need putting down.

If most people don't do what you perceive to be the 'right thing' then maybe you are in the minority in your opinion? I think across the world you may find that many cultures have different values when it comes to pets, animals, domestication and so on. Cats are uncontrollable and untrainable. This inherently means that domestication comes with the acceptance of some risk. Do you think what you did presented any better experience to the 'owner' of the cat? Would you prefer to be under the impression your pet had gone missing, or would you rather be suddenly be in possession of a mangled body which you then had to get your head around and find something to do with? Which is overall better? I am sure you will come back with some notion of 'playing God' and 'what gives you the right to deny an owner this truth'... it's my opinion.

[mantis84]

Blown2CV said:

ashleyman said:

Blown2CV said:

Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

You do the right thing. Stop the car, see if the animal is ok and potentially take it to a vet to get treatment or at the very least where they can read the chip and inform the owners.

fk anyone who leaves an animal at the side of the road to die alone.

I was walking home one morning and saw someone had hit a cat and driven off, cat was just laying in the road and people were driving round it. Not one of those horrible people stopped. I stopped the traffic and moved the cat out the road and knocked on doors until I found the owner. She was distraught. I got a blanket and took the cat inside for her. Nothing else to be done, it was dead.

It's shouldn't be difficult to be a good person. Perhaps you need putting down.

If most people don't do what you perceive to be the 'right thing' then maybe you are in the minority in your opinion? I think across the world you may find that many cultures have different values when it comes to pets, animals, domestication and so on. Cats are uncontrollable and untrainable. This inherently means that domestication comes with the acceptance of some risk. Do you think what you did presented any better experience to the 'owner' of the cat? Would you prefer to be under the impression your pet had gone missing, or would you rather be suddenly be in possession of a mangled body which you then had to get your head around and find something to do with? Which is overall better? I am sure you will come back with some notion of 'playing God' and 'what gives you the right to deny an owner this truth'... it's my opinion.

You're not necessarily wrong, but you come across as an insensitive ahole.

[ashleyman]

Blown2CV said:

ashleyman said:

Blown2CV said:

Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

You do the right thing. Stop the car, see if the animal is ok and potentially take it to a vet to get treatment or at the very least where they can read the chip and inform the owners.

fk anyone who leaves an animal at the side of the road to die alone.

I was walking home one morning and saw someone had hit a cat and driven off, cat was just laying in the road and people were driving round it. Not one of those horrible people stopped. I stopped the traffic and moved the cat out the road and knocked on doors until I found the owner. She was distraught. I got a blanket and took the cat inside for her. Nothing else to be done, it was dead.

It's shouldn't be difficult to be a good person. Perhaps you need putting down.

If most people don't do what you perceive to be the 'right thing' then maybe you are in the minority in your opinion? I think across the world you may find that many cultures have different values when it comes to pets, animals, domestication and so on. Cats are uncontrollable and untrainable. This inherently means that domestication comes with the acceptance of some risk. Do you think what you did presented any better experience to the 'owner' of the cat? Would you prefer to be under the impression your pet had gone missing, or would you rather be suddenly be in possession of a mangled body which you then had to get your head around and find something to do with? Which is overall better? I am sure you will come back with some notion of 'playing God' and 'what gives you the right to deny an owner this truth'... it's my opinion.

Considering the previous replies I think it may be you who's in the minority here.

I think what I did was better as that person was able to come to terms with the fact that their animal was dead. No wondering if/when it may turn up. It's a damn sight better than hitting an animal and driving off. I am not attempting to play God so let's not try to go there. I also didn't dump a mangled body at the owners door step. I was kind, considerate and asked the owner what they wanted to do with their dead animal - it was them who chose to have it bought inside, not me.

It sounds like you & I will never agree on this. You don't win, you're not right but I'm done here - not going to waste my time.

[Blown2CV]

ashleyman said:

Blown2CV said:

ashleyman said:

Blown2CV said:

Not sure what owners really expect other people to do.

You do the right thing. Stop the car, see if the animal is ok and potentially take it to a vet to get treatment or at the very least where they can read the chip and inform the owners.

fk anyone who leaves an animal at the side of the road to die alone.

I was walking home one morning and saw someone had hit a cat and driven off, cat was just laying in the road and people were driving round it. Not one of those horrible people stopped. I stopped the traffic and moved the cat out the road and knocked on doors until I found the owner. She was distraught. I got a blanket and took the cat inside for her. Nothing else to be done, it was dead.

It's shouldn't be difficult to be a good person. Perhaps you need putting down.

If most people don't do what you perceive to be the 'right thing' then maybe you are in the minority in your opinion? I think across the world you may find that many cultures have different values when it comes to pets, animals, domestication and so on. Cats are uncontrollable and untrainable. This inherently means that domestication comes with the acceptance of some risk. Do you think what you did presented any better experience to the 'owner' of the cat? Would you prefer to be under the impression your pet had gone missing, or would you rather be suddenly be in possession of a mangled body which you then had to get your head around and find something to do with? Which is overall better? I am sure you will come back with some notion of 'playing God' and 'what gives you the right to deny an owner this truth'... it's my opinion.

Considering the previous replies I think it may be you who's in the minority here.

I think what I did was better as that person was able to come to terms with the fact that their animal was dead. No wondering if/when it may turn up. It's a damn sight better than hitting an animal and driving off. I am not attempting to play God so let's not try to go there. I also didn't dump a mangled body at the owners door step. I was kind, considerate and asked the owner what they wanted to do with their dead animal - it was them who chose to have it bought inside, not me.

It sounds like you & I will never agree on this. You don't win, you're not right but I'm done here - not going to waste my time.

it's not scientific is it. People are separated into pet people and couldn't give a st people. Couldn't give a st people couldn't give a st about this discussion, let alone wading in to defend a position against the angry pet people.

[Rawwr]

Blown2CV said:

it's not scientific is it. People are separated into pet people and couldn't give a st people. .

No, people are separated into 'people with empathy' and 'sociopaths and psychopaths' or 'people who arent dreadful human beings' and 'PH users with 2CV in their username'.

[SmoothCriminal]

If you want people to give a st about your cat then don't let it roam about other peoples property stting everywhere and killing wildlife for the fun of it.

There was a thread in the animal section of the forum where someone witnessed a cat getting hit and the driver of the offending car ended up being surrounded and car damaged if I remember correctly.

Yellowjack said:

So you own a cat, let it loose, take no responsibility when it murders wildlife, and buries turds in peoples flower beds because "it's in its nature". You fail to teach it the Green Cross Code, but when it gets struck by a vehicle, the driver is some sort of hideous beast?

I witnessed the aftermath of a cat being run over a few years ago. Main road into town, well sighted, well lit, 30 mph speed limit. The driver ahead of me was going along at well under the speed limit, at about 2300 hrs, so well into dark o'clock. I didn't see the cat, I just saw the brake lights of the car ahead as the driver stood it on it's nose to try to avoid said cat, but the stupid animal insisted on running into the road anyway.

That was an unfortunate accident. What happened next truly sickened me. The cat's owner, and several animal loving neighbours came out to see what was going on, as the driver stood over the cat trying to work out what to do. The driver was surrounded, abused, threatened with violence, and had to lock himself in his car with his passenger. They were prevented from leaving, the car was damaged, and the police had to be called. All the while the cat's owner, a Weeble-shaped woman in a velour tracksuit, sat in the road wailing theatrically with the cat wrapped in a towel on her lap, and the whole circus was completely blocking the road. So I can understand why a driver might be reluctant to stop, even presuming they knew what they'd done. Because saying it was "pushed to the side of the road to die" presumes quite a lot. Maybe it was knocked there by the impact? Maybe it dragged itself there? Maybe someone not involved in the collision put it there but felt they could do no more? But you just crash into "someone murdered my one true love" mode and presume it was a deliberate evil act by some animal-hating psychopath. 

So here's the rub. The reason why a collision with a cat is a non-reportable incident is precisely because cats are not under their owner's control and free to roam the roads and railways of the nation, chowing down on Bluetits and Dunnocks, burying their filth in gardens, etc. You can't have it both ways. You want legal protection for the cat population? Take responsibility for it's safety then. Walk it on a lead. Keep it in your house/garden when it isn't being walked. Install cat-proof fences if need be. In short, stop inflicting your lifestyle choices on other people.

I read the thread title and thought it would be a distasteful act of deliberate, calculated animal cruelty on a large scale being investigated by the authorities. But no, it's just a feral animal been run over by a car. What next? Statutory protection for Brock and Bambi so that drivers who hit any animal on the road need to call the PDSA animal emergency ambulance? Where does the line get drawn? Rats? Mice? Voles? Stag Beetles? Wood Ants? I hit a blackbird once, it just swooped down in front of my car. I felt absolutely awful for days. I'm not some hideous, heartless monster here, but you need to get a sense of perspective. The cat is free to roam, and therefore free to run out into traffic. If it does, it is small, difficult to see (especially at night) and I'm sorry to say that in most cases a collision with an animal that size probably won't even register on most drivers' "WTF happened-ometer". 

How can Network Rail do this and sleep at night? I mean, they operate a third rail electrified railway locally. No doubt some poor animals, possibly including cats, must have been killed by this silent steel assassin? I crossed a pedestrian level crossing yesterday afternoon (on a non-electrified line). There, sat right next to the rails, twitching his tail and eyeing up some feathered friend (it's nesting season, birds are compelled to collect nest material, and so more vulnerable to the attentions of Tiddles) or a tasty morsel of rodent was a mean-looking black and white cat. If the Felix doppelganger was paying too much attention to his potential plaything (because lets face it, cats seldom actually eat what they kill or injure) and failed to notice a couple of hundred tonnes of Class 220 bearing down on him at 100+ mph, would it be the train driver's fault that Felix went under the wheels, or got ripped along the track bed, tumbling like a dishcloth in a spin drier, drawn along by the air pressure under the carriage set?

This kind of loss, I'm afraid, is the trade you make when you take on a cat and let it outdoors. If you don't think you can cope with this, buy a hamster. My neighbour lost her cat last year. She searched, she use local facebook groups, she put up posters, and registered him on 'findmycat' type sites. He never turned up, neither his body, nor collar. He was chipped and carried a tag with her phone number on it. But we live near the M3 motorway, and the cat wasn't the type to be stolen, he was a handsome, but unremarkable, ageing tabby. So my neighbour slowly came around to the idea that she'd never see him again. I've had the sad job of informing an owner that their cat had died when we moved into a rented property. The cat's body was found in the shed, and had been there for some time. I boxed it up, and took details from the collar to call the owner. I also found a cat's collar in another property, but that one had a happy ending - the cat and collar had become separated but it was happily curled up on it's owner's lap when i called so I posted the collar, bell, and tag through the letterbox when I was passing. So put a collar, and a BELL on your cat, and then, if the worst happens, someone might call you with news of their fate. If you let the bird-murdering bd out without ID, then how do you suppose anyone who finds the body is supposed to trace the beast's owner?

[Rawwr]

SmoothCriminal said:

If you want people to give a st about your cat then don't let it roam about other peoples property stting everywhere and killing wildlife for the fun of it.

I don't have a cat, I'm just not an ahole.

[Frimley111R]

numtumfutunch said:

Dash cams

Just when I was about to join the nasally voiced posse of outrage Ive realised that just about everybody I meet on the road dawdling along at 20mph and/or having the lane discipline of a selfish version of Genghis Khan has one plastered to the middle of their windscreen

And you wonder why they capture so much action?

Easy explanation when the driving of your average DCW would antagonise even Mother Theresa into monumental road rage and retribution

wkers, the lot of them

And relax

+1!

My Son in Law said he wanted one but he's a bit of an anal tt over things. I told him so and he didn't get one. They're for self righteous pricks who want to be their own authority on the road.

The term DCW - Dash Cam wkers wasn't created without good reason.

(This excludes delivery/commercial drivers btw)