One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4
Discussion
Europa1 said:
The total chopper in a white Peugeot who pulled out round my stationary car last night. The reason I was stationary, tiny, tiny brain, was to let through the cyclist coming the other way. Is it any wonder many cyclists have a low opinion of motorists?
Just walked back from the shop, cyclist riding along nicely in a marked cycle lane, approaching a side road on the left. Transit van tootling along behind the cyclist decides his very best course of action is to pass the cyclist then turn left into the side road (without indicating). Cyclist just about managed to haul on the brakes to avoid going under the van, and the van then roared away up the side road in clouds of diesel smoke. It had the obligatory faded paint around the old Parcel Force livery, had a rack full of ladders on the roof, and was covered in rust. The only thing that was missing was a can of Red Bull being thrown at the cyclist by the passenger really. That would have got me a 'full house' in Knobhead Bingo...Yesterday on the single carriageway,BSL A165 south of Bridlington, a convoy of 4 horse drawn vans, (owned by guess what demographic) maxing out at 5 mph! Massive line if traffic behind,with minimal overtaking opportunities. Took about 10 minutes to get by, they got a well deserved blast of the horn!
Today I pass the same lot,north of Bridlington, same sped, a mile of cars stuck behind them again. This is the only real road out of Brid to the north,and the route to the nearest A&E, so you often see ambulances on full lights and music here. No way would it be safe to pass a mile of cars, so I call 101 to see what can be done, transferred to 999. Dunno if cops did anything but when I drove back they were all in a lay-by, which is not like them at all.
Today I pass the same lot,north of Bridlington, same sped, a mile of cars stuck behind them again. This is the only real road out of Brid to the north,and the route to the nearest A&E, so you often see ambulances on full lights and music here. No way would it be safe to pass a mile of cars, so I call 101 to see what can be done, transferred to 999. Dunno if cops did anything but when I drove back they were all in a lay-by, which is not like them at all.
...oh, and the elderly driver in a small red hatchback a few days ago. Coming out of Tesco onto Castle Way East in Bournemouth, there are two right turn lanes at the traffic lights exiting Tesco, and they feed into two lanes on the dual carriageway... https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7432587,-1.8167339... ...I was in the left hand lane ahead of a little Peugeot, with a car alongside me to my right. The small red hatch was one car back in the right-hand lane. As I drove around wide into the dual carriageway, the Pug followed my wide line to allow plenty of space for traffic in the r/h lane. But the Doris in the little red car drove in-in-out around the corner, very nearly going straight into the side of the car behind me. Luckily the driver behind me saw what was happening and got on the brakes, because if he hadn't the red hatch would have buried itself in his door, as despite several horns blasting she continued on her chosen course. I was taking the next left, so slowed down to move into the opening left-turn lane. Doris had, at this point, been in lane 1 behind me, but suddenly decided she needed to be in the furthest right lane. Then she realised that this goes only to the hospital and court, so she swerved wildly back over the two solid white lines bounding the red bus lane, back into lane 3 at the traffic lights. Fortunately there was nothing coming from behind her because both lanes of traffic had come to a sudden halt, expecting the collision that was narrowly avoided, so they hadn't yet caught up with her. She topped it all off by then lurching from lane 3 to lane 2 to avoid piling into the back of the queue of cars stopped for the next traffic light... https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7446199,-1.820272,...
...some people just don't appear to inhabit the same dimension as the rest of us.
...some people just don't appear to inhabit the same dimension as the rest of us.
kowalski655 said:
Yesterday on the single carriageway,BSL A165 south of Bridlington, a convoy of 4 horse drawn vans, (owned by guess what demographic) maxing out at 5 mph! Massive line if traffic behind,with minimal overtaking opportunities. Took about 10 minutes to get by, they got a well deserved blast of the horn!
Today I pass the same lot,north of Bridlington, same sped, a mile of cars stuck behind them again. This is the only real road out of Brid to the north,and the route to the nearest A&E, so you often see ambulances on full lights and music here. No way would it be safe to pass a mile of cars, so I call 101 to see what can be done, transferred to 999. Dunno if cops did anything but when I drove back they were all in a lay-by, which is not like them at all.
I vote you as a knob for getting on the horn for no good reason around horses. Road category and speed limit are not relevant. The right of a road user drawing a wagon behind horses on a public highway is enshrined in law. In a few cases newer bypasses sometimes ban horse-drawn traffic, along with mopeds and cycles, but generally speaking you have no more right to be there than they do. Today I pass the same lot,north of Bridlington, same sped, a mile of cars stuck behind them again. This is the only real road out of Brid to the north,and the route to the nearest A&E, so you often see ambulances on full lights and music here. No way would it be safe to pass a mile of cars, so I call 101 to see what can be done, transferred to 999. Dunno if cops did anything but when I drove back they were all in a lay-by, which is not like them at all.
The roads were NOT built for cars. Many roads primarily exist because they were, historically, routes created for use by horse-drawn traffic.
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...worth, humbly submitted for yourconsideration...yellowjack said:
I vote you as a knob for getting on the horn for no good reason around horses. Road category and speed limit are not relevant. The right of a road user drawing a wagon behind horses on a public highway is enshrined in law. In a few cases newer bypasses sometimes ban horse-drawn traffic, along with mopeds and cycles, but generally speaking you have no more right to be there than they do.
The roads were NOT built for cars. Many roads primarily exist because they were, historically, routes created for use by horse-drawn traffic.
My... ...worth, humbly submitted for yourconsideration...
No issue with equal rights to use roads and use of the horn is out of order and of course illegal. Horse riders/drivers are vulnerable road users and need special care. The roads were NOT built for cars. Many roads primarily exist because they were, historically, routes created for use by horse-drawn traffic.
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...worth, humbly submitted for yourconsideration...Of course users of slower moving vehicles should pull over to let other vehicles pass. It is inconsiderate to do otherwise. In the case of cyclists that's against the law. I don't believe asimilar law applies to driven or ridden horses.
2 wrongs make 2 wrongs.
Graveworm said:
No issue with equal rights to use roads and use of the horn is out of order and of course illegal. Horse riders/drivers are vulnerable road users and need special care.
Of course users of slower moving vehicles should pull over to let other vehicles pass. It is inconsiderate to do otherwise. In the case of cyclists that's against the law. I don't believe a similar law applies to driven or ridden horses.
2 wrongs make 2 wrongs.
To start with, "someone has an axe to grind". Who brought cyclists into the debate?Of course users of slower moving vehicles should pull over to let other vehicles pass. It is inconsiderate to do otherwise. In the case of cyclists that's against the law. I don't believe a similar law applies to driven or ridden horses.
2 wrongs make 2 wrongs.
Please quote the actual source material. Preferably an Act of Parliament. Because I don't think "the law" discriminates between different categories of "slower traffic". I'm happy to be corrected, and educated on this matter, but not by anecdotal "evidence", nor what "some geezer darn the pub" thinks the law ought to say...
I presume that you are relying on Rule 169 of the Highway Code
which said:
169
Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
I will rely on the FACT that "do not" is not "must not" and the lack of a reference to appropriate legislation after Rule 169 tells me that complying with it is NOT a legal requirement. Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
In the same way that motorists OFTEN fail to comply with another "Do Not", namely Rule 167
which said:
167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
where the road narrows
when approaching a school crossing patrol
between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop
where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works
when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
at a level crossing
when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
when a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic.
...which is a frequent cause of collisions between cyclists and motor vehicles, leading in far too many cases of cyclists being killed, especially in London Town.DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
where the road narrows
when approaching a school crossing patrol
between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop
where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works
when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
at a level crossing
when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
when a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic.
Note also that rule 169 says "Do Not hold up a long queue of traffic, so if it's just one or two cars behind me I don't need to pull in at all? Furthermore, the exact wording of rule169 says "...pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass..." Which means that very many so-called "Passing Places" are NOT "safe" for me to pull into on a bicycle because of the height difference between the carriageway and the passing place, the fact that many of them are potholed to buggery, and the fact that many are muddier than the Somme, or strewn with massive gravel pieces large and hard-edged enough to easily burst a tyre. Cyclists aren't taken seriously when complaining about poor road surfaces, so I think the solution lies with motorists quitting their Minny-moaning about a handful of cyclists holding them up for a handful of seconds once in a Blue Moon, and putting their efforts into lobbying hard for better road surfaces, especially in passing places, to the benefit of ALL road users.
And for the avoidance of doubt, if I can safely pull in to allow traffic past, I will, regardless of how many are queuing behind me. But I won't pull in and stop if it's a steep uphill gradient, because I'll never get going again. This is because it might be considerate to put another person's needs above mine, I ain't your f
king bh, and your right to use the road DOES NOT TRUMP MINE...
NB: Please be aware that if you do wish for cyclists to pull in and let you past, don't be an utter f
king retard and sit inches from their back wheel. This is because in order to pull in S-A-F-E-L-Y, said cyclist will need to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n to complete the manoeuvre. Bicycles do not have brake lights, so if you are inches behind it is patently clear that slowing down would be suicidal, and definitely NOT SAFE. Back the fk off, and he/she might just feel sufficiently safe to pull over and let you get past. And for clarity, if you are stuck behind me, and I spot a passing place ahead, expect several shoulder-checks to make sure you are paying attention, then expect a signal from me as to where I'll be pulling in, then expect me to ease off the pedals and start feathering the brakes so as to smoothly enter the passing place. If the driver is anywhere near half decent, I expect, in return, that they will pass me swiftly, with the minimum of fuss, and that I will be able to move back out onto the carriageway behind them without having to come to a complete halt. Frequently this is the case. I get a thumb up or a flash of hazard lights, I return fire with a thumb up, everyone goes about their business and completely forgets the (non) incident. If, however, I've been overtaken by "faster" traffic on an especially narrow road, but then catch up to that "faster" traffic when they come into conflict with an oncoming vehicle, then expect me to take to the verge to walk my bike past the obstruction while they have a spat over who is to be the one to reverse. Subsequent to this, I'm going to presume that I should lead traffic along the narrow stretch on the grounds that if/when I meet an oncoming car there will be space enough for me to pass them without getting stuck in a "your passing place is closer" kindergarten argument... 
Edited by yellowjack on Thursday 11th July 21:20
The law does make a distinction. It is an offence to cycle without reasonable considerations for other persons using the road. There is no comparable offence for horse riders. What the Highway code advises can be used as evidence. In the same way the overtaking guidance you listed is used when prosecuting those doing the overtaking. People have been prosecuted for not pulling over to let people pass.
Graveworm said:
The law does make a distinction. It is an offence to cycle without reasonable considerations for other persons using the road. There is no comparable offence for horse riders. What the Highway code advises can be used as evidence. In the same way the overtaking guidance you listed is used when prosecuting those doing the overtaking. People have been prosecuted for not pulling over to let people pass.
Yes, and because I'm not an inconsiderate bike rider, I don't worry about being one of them. See my last paragraph, edited in while you were posting your response. And the offence isn't about just cyclists, unless of course you can link it to a specific piece of legislation which says as much. As I said, I have a thirst for knowledge (although I don't come from Greece, nor did I study sculpture at St Martin's College ) and would love to see the specific legislation upon which you base your assertions......I like to debate from a position of knowledge, so I'm not saying your law does not exist, but I must acknowledge that I haven't seen it for myself, and would therefore like the opportunity to read it.
Might kowalski be a little bit quick on jumping on the ethnic variant?
They could have been holidaymakers who have hired such transport OR the kind of Romany who detests the version who normally resides on an island between the British mainland and the East coast of the U.S and migrate Eastwards each year?
They could have been holidaymakers who have hired such transport OR the kind of Romany who detests the version who normally resides on an island between the British mainland and the East coast of the U.S and migrate Eastwards each year?
yellowjack said:
Yes, and because I'm not an inconsiderate bike rider, I don't worry about being one of them. See my last paragraph, edited in while you were posting your response. And the offence isn't about just cyclists, unless of course you can link it to a specific piece of legislation which says as much. As I said, I have a thirst for knowledge (although I don't come from Greece, nor did I study sculpture at St Martin's College ) and would love to see the specific legislation upon which you base your assertions...
...I like to debate from a position of knowledge, so I'm not saying your law does not exist, but I must acknowledge that I haven't seen it for myself, and would therefore like the opportunity to read it.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/29 ) and would love to see the specific legislation upon which you base your assertions......I like to debate from a position of knowledge, so I'm not saying your law does not exist, but I must acknowledge that I haven't seen it for myself, and would therefore like the opportunity to read it.
Stupid girl! if I were her Dad I'd go out and buy a Ford Mustang!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-4...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-4...
Graveworm said:
yellowjack said:
Yes, and because I'm not an inconsiderate bike rider, I don't worry about being one of them. See my last paragraph, edited in while you were posting your response. And the offence isn't about just cyclists, unless of course you can link it to a specific piece of legislation which says as much. As I said, I have a thirst for knowledge (although I don't come from Greece, nor did I study sculpture at St Martin's College ) and would love to see the specific legislation upon which you base your assertions...
...I like to debate from a position of knowledge, so I'm not saying your law does not exist, but I must acknowledge that I haven't seen it for myself, and would therefore like the opportunity to read it.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/29 ) and would love to see the specific legislation upon which you base your assertions......I like to debate from a position of knowledge, so I'm not saying your law does not exist, but I must acknowledge that I haven't seen it for myself, and would therefore like the opportunity to read it.
The Road Traffic Act 1988 said:
Section 3 - Driving Offences
Careless, and inconsiderate, driving.
If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.
Section 23 - Cycling offences
Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.
If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
But note the glaring omission. As a driver, if I behave like a dick on a road or other public place I am guilty of an offence. As a cyclist, I must behave on the road, but apparently can behave like a massive bell-end in an other public place with gay abandon, because the law specifically omits to say that constitutes an offence... Careless, and inconsiderate, driving.
If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.
Section 23 - Cycling offences
Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.
If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.
rolex said:
Stupid girl! if I were her Dad I'd go out and buy a Ford Mustang!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-4...
Maybe she should be forced to pay from her pocket money to send 40,000 "Thank you" cards to the children in the Democratic https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-4...
Republic of Congo who mine the Cobalt used in some EV batteries for as little as $1 a day...the linked blog article said:
Cobalt and electric vehicle batteries
Cobalt, a bluish-gray metal found in the Earth’s crust, is one of today’s preferred components used to make the lithium-ion batteries that power laptops, cell phones, and EVs. Cobalt is mined all over the world, but 50 to 60 percent of the global supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), which has a poor human rights track record. According to UNICEF and Amnesty International, around 40,000 children are involved in cobalt mining in DRC where they make only $1 – $2 USD per day. DRC’s cobalt trade has been the target of criticism for nearly a decade, and the U.S. Labor Department lists Congolese cobalt as a product it has reason to think is produced by child labor. More troubling, cobalt demand has tripled in the past five years and is projected to at least double again by 2020.
https://blog.ucsusa.org/josh-goldman/electric-vehi...
Cobalt, a bluish-gray metal found in the Earth’s crust, is one of today’s preferred components used to make the lithium-ion batteries that power laptops, cell phones, and EVs. Cobalt is mined all over the world, but 50 to 60 percent of the global supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), which has a poor human rights track record. According to UNICEF and Amnesty International, around 40,000 children are involved in cobalt mining in DRC where they make only $1 – $2 USD per day. DRC’s cobalt trade has been the target of criticism for nearly a decade, and the U.S. Labor Department lists Congolese cobalt as a product it has reason to think is produced by child labor. More troubling, cobalt demand has tripled in the past five years and is projected to at least double again by 2020.
https://blog.ucsusa.org/josh-goldman/electric-vehi...
Nerdherder said:
Nearly killed a cyclist this week cause he was in my blind spot. Really should have looked twice in the particular situation. I am a knob.
In a normal year I ride 6,000 miles, and as a cyclist I'd suggest that while you should have checked that blind spot, if the cyclist put themself into it (rather than you putting them into it then forgetting you'd done so, if you see what I mean) then the cyclist in question should shoulder an equal portion of the blame (at least) and ought to know better than to put themself into such a vulnerable position. For instance, passing buses - I wouldn't dream of passing a bus on it's left. If a bus slows ahead of me, I'll be sure to stay behind it, but out to it's right-hand side, in a place where I can look directly at the offside mirror. There I know I will give the driver the best chance of seeing me, so he's not left wondering where I've disappeared to (as might happen if I sit directly behind, on the centre line of the bus). I can also assess whether he's stopped for a queue at the lights, or is picking up or setting down passengers. If I can see a clear, safe opportunity tp pass the bus while it is stopped, I'll take it, otherwise I'll stay back, in plain sight, and await another opportunity to pass it.
There's no guarantee that any one driver is one of the (apparently) small number who actually look at their mirrors, but more cyclists should consider the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" mantra in their riding plan, and always aim to pass traffic on it's offside, not "sneak up" on the nearside, out of the driver's view.
yellowjack said:
In a normal year I ride 6,000 miles, and as a cyclist I'd suggest that while you should have checked that blind spot, if the cyclist put themself into it (rather than you putting them into it then forgetting you'd done so, if you see what I mean) then the cyclist in question should shoulder an equal portion of the blame (at least) and ought to know better than to put themself into such a vulnerable position.
For instance, passing buses - I wouldn't dream of passing a bus on it's left. If a bus slows ahead of me, I'll be sure to stay behind it, but out to it's right-hand side, in a place where I can look directly at the offside mirror. There I know I will give the driver the best chance of seeing me, so he's not left wondering where I've disappeared to (as might happen if I sit directly behind, on the centre line of the bus). I can also assess whether he's stopped for a queue at the lights, or is picking up or setting down passengers. If I can see a clear, safe opportunity tp pass the bus while it is stopped, I'll take it, otherwise I'll stay back, in plain sight, and await another opportunity to pass it.
There's no guarantee that any one driver is one of the (apparently) small number who actually look at their mirrors, but more cyclists should consider the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" mantra in their riding plan, and always aim to pass traffic on it's offside, not "sneak up" on the nearside, out of the driver's view.
Yep, of course, most cycle lanes are on the inside... I will overtake stationary traffic on the left, but moving traffic... just no. I also merge back into the traffic flow at the point where it starts moving in such scenarios. Bus lanes are a different matter, though.For instance, passing buses - I wouldn't dream of passing a bus on it's left. If a bus slows ahead of me, I'll be sure to stay behind it, but out to it's right-hand side, in a place where I can look directly at the offside mirror. There I know I will give the driver the best chance of seeing me, so he's not left wondering where I've disappeared to (as might happen if I sit directly behind, on the centre line of the bus). I can also assess whether he's stopped for a queue at the lights, or is picking up or setting down passengers. If I can see a clear, safe opportunity tp pass the bus while it is stopped, I'll take it, otherwise I'll stay back, in plain sight, and await another opportunity to pass it.
There's no guarantee that any one driver is one of the (apparently) small number who actually look at their mirrors, but more cyclists should consider the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" mantra in their riding plan, and always aim to pass traffic on it's offside, not "sneak up" on the nearside, out of the driver's view.
Solocle said:
yellowjack said:
In a normal year I ride 6,000 miles, and as a cyclist I'd suggest that while you should have checked that blind spot, if the cyclist put themself into it (rather than you putting them into it then forgetting you'd done so, if you see what I mean) then the cyclist in question should shoulder an equal portion of the blame (at least) and ought to know better than to put themself into such a vulnerable position.
For instance, passing buses - I wouldn't dream of passing a bus on it's left. If a bus slows ahead of me, I'll be sure to stay behind it, but out to it's right-hand side, in a place where I can look directly at the offside mirror. There I know I will give the driver the best chance of seeing me, so he's not left wondering where I've disappeared to (as might happen if I sit directly behind, on the centre line of the bus). I can also assess whether he's stopped for a queue at the lights, or is picking up or setting down passengers. If I can see a clear, safe opportunity tp pass the bus while it is stopped, I'll take it, otherwise I'll stay back, in plain sight, and await another opportunity to pass it.
There's no guarantee that any one driver is one of the (apparently) small number who actually look at their mirrors, but more cyclists should consider the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" mantra in their riding plan, and always aim to pass traffic on it's offside, not "sneak up" on the nearside, out of the driver's view.
Yep, of course, most cycle lanes are on the inside... I will overtake stationary traffic on the left, but moving traffic... just no. I also merge back into the traffic flow at the point where it starts moving in such scenarios. Bus lanes are a different matter, though.For instance, passing buses - I wouldn't dream of passing a bus on it's left. If a bus slows ahead of me, I'll be sure to stay behind it, but out to it's right-hand side, in a place where I can look directly at the offside mirror. There I know I will give the driver the best chance of seeing me, so he's not left wondering where I've disappeared to (as might happen if I sit directly behind, on the centre line of the bus). I can also assess whether he's stopped for a queue at the lights, or is picking up or setting down passengers. If I can see a clear, safe opportunity tp pass the bus while it is stopped, I'll take it, otherwise I'll stay back, in plain sight, and await another opportunity to pass it.
There's no guarantee that any one driver is one of the (apparently) small number who actually look at their mirrors, but more cyclists should consider the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" mantra in their riding plan, and always aim to pass traffic on it's offside, not "sneak up" on the nearside, out of the driver's view.
From yesterday's 2.5 mile cycle ride to B&Q for a can of Dulux paint to finish decorating a bedroom...
I nominate the dickwad on a big off-road touring motorcycle who drove alongside me on the approach to a roundabout pointing frantically at the "shared use" footway alongside the carriageway upon which I was riding. Yes? Are we playing 'I Spy' now. Very good, I guess "inappropriate cycling infrastructure for my particular journey". Now my turn - Tree! - Roundabout! - Streetlamp! - Flyover! - Organ Donor on a penis compensator!
Because you see I didn't want to go in the direction that the "cycle path" was going to take me. I wanted to go straight over the roundabout really, but that's a rather busy little dual carriageway, and I knew that if I took the third exit and turned right I could soon pick up another cycle path which you couldn't see, and probably didn't know about, a little way along that road on the other side of the roundabout. but why let that bother you, when you can tootle around on your white motorcycle with orange reflective tape on your panniers, wearing a plain white helmet and a "Polite" reflective vest, pretending to yourself that you are Plod.
What. A. Throbber...
I nominate the dickwad on a big off-road touring motorcycle who drove alongside me on the approach to a roundabout pointing frantically at the "shared use" footway alongside the carriageway upon which I was riding. Yes? Are we playing 'I Spy' now. Very good, I guess "inappropriate cycling infrastructure for my particular journey". Now my turn - Tree! - Roundabout! - Streetlamp! - Flyover! - Organ Donor on a penis compensator!
Because you see I didn't want to go in the direction that the "cycle path" was going to take me. I wanted to go straight over the roundabout really, but that's a rather busy little dual carriageway, and I knew that if I took the third exit and turned right I could soon pick up another cycle path which you couldn't see, and probably didn't know about, a little way along that road on the other side of the roundabout. but why let that bother you, when you can tootle around on your white motorcycle with orange reflective tape on your panniers, wearing a plain white helmet and a "Polite" reflective vest, pretending to yourself that you are Plod.
What. A. Throbber...
Edited by yellowjack on Friday 12th July 00:03
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