One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4
Discussion
Ares said:
People who pull into the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 20mph less than the speed limit because they are turning right a mile further down the road....then get all pissy if you undertake.
(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
I hope you didn't give her the beans.(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
Ares said:
People who pull into the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 20mph less than the speed limit because they are turning right a mile further down the road....then get all pissy if you undertake.
(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
Lane hogs are why we need to undertake. Blast past, no problem, if I get a reaction I’ll savour it.(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
tarquin274 said:
Ares said:
People who pull into the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 20mph less than the speed limit because they are turning right a mile further down the road....then get all pissy if you undertake.
(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
Lane hogs are why we need to undertake. Blast past, no problem, if I get a reaction I’ll savour it.(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every
time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean. 
Annnnnndddd breathe out.
Ares said:
People who pull into the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 20mph less than the speed limit because they are turning right a mile further down the road....then get all pissy if you undertake.
(A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
M275 heading into Portsmouth from M27 is atrocious for this! (A34 this morning, white Scirocco woman driving whilst holding a coffee cup)
Liquid Knight said:
There's a section of dual carriageway near me that divides into two roads. A47 into A149 and A10/A47 (Hardwick flyover if you know it). There is a sign at the side of the road and white lines change signifying that the dual carriageway has ended and it is two single carriageways.
Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean.
Annnnnndddd breathe out.
This one? (Not sure if the link has worked)Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every
time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean. Annnnnndddd breathe out.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.7363546,0.405958...
Assuming you are talking about heading eastbound, that's dual carriageway until the central reservation ends, which is where the 1010's end and the lane line becomes solid, regardless of lane destination. From your description, your understanding is incorrect.
Would be interested in seeing the sign that specifies it has a 60 limit by dint of having separate destinations - it would be non-prescribed, and against a statutory principle of the various Highways Acts.
OpulentBob said:
Liquid Knight said:
There's a section of dual carriageway near me that divides into two roads. A47 into A149 and A10/A47 (Hardwick flyover if you know it). There is a sign at the side of the road and white lines change signifying that the dual carriageway has ended and it is two single carriageways.
Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean.
Annnnnndddd breathe out.
This one? (Not sure if the link has worked)Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every
time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean. Annnnnndddd breathe out.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.7363546,0.405958...
Assuming you are talking about heading eastbound, that's dual carriageway until the central reservation ends, which is where the 1010's end and the lane line becomes solid, regardless of lane destination. From your description, your understanding is incorrect.
Would be interested in seeing the sign that specifies it has a 60 limit by dint of having separate destinations - it would be non-prescribed, and against a statutory principle of the various Highways Acts.
There is a section of road (old A3) which I use every day, where there is a dual carriageway with nsl markings. Some is 2 lanes each side, some is one lane each side. I've had numerous numpties going ape because I've tried to keep to the 70 limit all the way down here, including a non-traffic police officer who had to radio in to get verification!
A dual carriageway is not defined by the number of lanes in each direction but by the presence of a physical barrier between each side.
It's like the Hindhead tunnel, many times I've followed people along the A3 at around 80, until we get to the tunnel, where they come down to 60, or even 50, when the signage is NSL!
Ultra Sound Guy said:
OpulentBob said:
Liquid Knight said:
There's a section of dual carriageway near me that divides into two roads. A47 into A149 and A10/A47 (Hardwick flyover if you know it). There is a sign at the side of the road and white lines change signifying that the dual carriageway has ended and it is two single carriageways.
Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean.
Annnnnndddd breathe out.
This one? (Not sure if the link has worked)Therefore the speed limit drops from seventy to sixty.
It doesn't matter what I am driving I slow down to sixty at that point as it's a local collision hot spot (edited from "accident black spot" just in case) and acts as a staggered speed reduction for the forty limit as you cross the flyover bridge.
If I had a Pound for every
time a twunt almost drives into the back of my vehicle I'd be able to retire on my own island somewhere in the Caribbean. Annnnnndddd breathe out.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.7363546,0.405958...
Assuming you are talking about heading eastbound, that's dual carriageway until the central reservation ends, which is where the 1010's end and the lane line becomes solid, regardless of lane destination. From your description, your understanding is incorrect.
Would be interested in seeing the sign that specifies it has a 60 limit by dint of having separate destinations - it would be non-prescribed, and against a statutory principle of the various Highways Acts.
There is a section of road (old A3) which I use every day, where there is a dual carriageway with nsl markings. Some is 2 lanes each side, some is one lane each side. I've had numerous numpties going ape because I've tried to keep to the 70 limit all the way down here, including a non-traffic police officer who had to radio in to get verification!
A dual carriageway is not defined by the number of lanes in each direction but by the presence of a physical barrier between each side.
It's like the Hindhead tunnel, many times I've followed people along the A3 at around 80, until we get to the tunnel, where they come down to 60, or even 50, when the signage is NSL!
It's not a perfect definition, and there are instances where you can have unkerbed central islands, but it's a good indicator when explaining the difference to, shall we say, non-enthusiasts. (As a highways engineer, I have this discussion a lot.)
Ultra Sound Guy said:
It's like the Hindhead tunnel, many times I've followed people along the A3 at around 80, until we get to the tunnel, where they come down to 60, or even 50, when the signage is NSL!
This is almost exactly what I found when I drove to Dorset on A3 couple of years ago .Merc is sticking to L2 and 3 or 4 cars are waiting patiently for him to get out the way . Tunnel ahead ,he slows to about 50 ,with
no reduced limit in place , I move to L1 at a constant 70.1 through the average cams in tunnel ,didn't see Merc again !
Numpty .
OpulentBob said:
A general rule of thumb is - can you roll a tennis ball from one side of the road to another. If you can, it's a single carriageway. If not, it's a dual.
It's not a perfect definition, and there are instances where you can have unkerbed central islands, but it's a good indicator when explaining the difference to, shall we say, non-enthusiasts. (As a highways engineer, I have this discussion a lot.)
In the last speed awareness course I attended, a participant piped up with a simple answer to determine if road is a dual carriageway. He said to look at what divides the two traffic directions and "If it's only paint - no it 'aint"!It's not a perfect definition, and there are instances where you can have unkerbed central islands, but it's a good indicator when explaining the difference to, shall we say, non-enthusiasts. (As a highways engineer, I have this discussion a lot.)
Gave us all a chuckle but I bet no-one will ever forget it!
Deranged Rover said:
OpulentBob said:
A general rule of thumb is - can you roll a tennis ball from one side of the road to another. If you can, it's a single carriageway. If not, it's a dual.
It's not a perfect definition, and there are instances where you can have unkerbed central islands, but it's a good indicator when explaining the difference to, shall we say, non-enthusiasts. (As a highways engineer, I have this discussion a lot.)
In the last speed awareness course I attended, a participant piped up with a simple answer to determine if road is a dual carriageway. He said to look at what divides the two traffic directions and "If it's only paint - no it 'aint"!It's not a perfect definition, and there are instances where you can have unkerbed central islands, but it's a good indicator when explaining the difference to, shall we say, non-enthusiasts. (As a highways engineer, I have this discussion a lot.)
Gave us all a chuckle but I bet no-one will ever forget it!
I'll happily stand corrected but it is clearly marked as two separate roads, signposted as two separate roads and single lanes, so single carriageways. I thought it was the same rule as a turn off lane on a motorway. The A1(M) as you head toward Stevenage has separate lanes up to a mile before exits and when I was driving under instruction (PSV) I was told to slow down from 60 to 50 as it was a separate road.
Liquid Knight said:
I'll happily stand corrected but it is clearly marked as two separate roads, signposted as two separate roads and single lanes, so single carriageways. I thought it was the same rule as a turn off lane on a motorway. The A1(M) as you head toward Stevenage has separate lanes up to a mile before exits and when I was driving under instruction (PSV) I was told to slow down from 60 to 50 as it was a separate road.
I'm afraid they were wrong. Please don't randomly slow down to an arbitrary speed limit decided by yourself on the approach to Hardwick. Doing things like that increases the accident rate. Not for you, but for the poor sod 20 cars back that sees the result of everyone else's over-braking. And it's how ghost queues form.
I bet you point at your dash cam and scream out of the window as people swerve past the pleb unnecessarily doing 58mph in Lane 2.
Now we know why it's an accident black spot. People slowing down because they think they've found themselves on a single carriageway when in fact it's still a dual carriageway.
My understanding is that the lanes are marked to say "choose this lane to access A149, choose this lane to access A47".
Similarly there are plenty of motorways where lanes are marked to guide you into the correct lane to access certain routes. It doesn't mean that those lanes have suddenly become a single carriageway. Here, the M25 tells you to get in lane to either stay on the M25 or access the M20. But all four lanes are still the M25 until the split actually happens!
https://goo.gl/maps/urNUiq1AebKJA2wn8
My understanding is that the lanes are marked to say "choose this lane to access A149, choose this lane to access A47".
Similarly there are plenty of motorways where lanes are marked to guide you into the correct lane to access certain routes. It doesn't mean that those lanes have suddenly become a single carriageway. Here, the M25 tells you to get in lane to either stay on the M25 or access the M20. But all four lanes are still the M25 until the split actually happens!
https://goo.gl/maps/urNUiq1AebKJA2wn8
Currently in hospital... Got dropped off by Mrs D and the drop off zone has three cars parked in it despite loads of space in the car park. A&E is on the other side of the site with its own car park, mostly empty, so these aren't people who have abandoned the car there and ran in. You get 30 minutes free parking, which is obviously eaten into if you have to drive up the multistorey so I wonder if it's people trying to make the most of their free time.
carlove said:
Mine has auto lights and wipers (a 2017 Astra), they come on after about 5 wipes regardless of visibility, I've used the washers twice in a row as first time didn't clear enough, and the lights came on (that's while set to auto, doesn't happen if I use washers twice with the auto wipers off).
I'm not surprised about the Astra doing that. Pretty much every German car I've driven does this, presumably because it's a legal requirement in Germany to use headlamps if it's raining. legless said:
I'm not surprised about the Astra doing that. Pretty much every German car I've driven does this, presumably because it's a legal requirement in Germany to use headlamps if it's raining.
After serving in Germany for a while, my headlights are now on in anything other than clear visibility, decent weather. Irrelevant of time of day.
LetsTryAgain said:
legless said:
I'm not surprised about the Astra doing that. Pretty much every German car I've driven does this, presumably because it's a legal requirement in Germany to use headlamps if it's raining.
After serving in Germany for a while, my headlights are now on in anything other than clear visibility, decent weather. Irrelevant of time of day.
That was in the 90s, and it conflicted with what my dad had learned in the 60s, so perhaps the rules or perceived wisdom changed at some point. Or perhaps it was down to the instructor.
ETA this may still be the case, but in 1997 it was certainly the case that you didn't "have" to drive with your lights on in built-up areas with streetlighting. But it's common sense to put your lights on regardless so people can see you are proceeding rather than parked.
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