RE: Match 'box enthusiast: Tell Me I'm Wrong
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I have it on my Aston Martin. Before buying I was absolutely sure it would always be switched off - I bought a manual because I enjoy the interaction between car and driver.
And, actually, I did turn it off. Once. Then back on again. It was better at this rev matching lark than me...
In my defence I still do things properly on my Caterham and TR6.
And, actually, I did turn it off. Once. Then back on again. It was better at this rev matching lark than me...
In my defence I still do things properly on my Caterham and TR6.
_Neal_ said:
ETA - One of the bits of the article that I don't agree with is the assumption that you can't rev much unless you're heeling and toeing - that isn't true. And it isn't even a pain, or a hardship to practice.
Exactly - see www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/how-to-en...Edited by _Neal_ on Friday 27th October 17:01
Strangely, the car I have found it easiest to ‘heel and toe’ in, has been the Cayman GTS, which also has the option of rev matching on downshifts.
Heel and toe is tough to get right and can sometime detract a little, so when I’m feeling lazy, it’s great to have the option for the rev match.
No problems with more options!!
Heel and toe is tough to get right and can sometime detract a little, so when I’m feeling lazy, it’s great to have the option for the rev match.
No problems with more options!!
whether rev matching is fitted or not will have precisely zero infuence on the future of the manual gearbox.
what will have an influence is purchase rate...if not enough people buy the manual then it is dead...and customers don't decide to choose manual over auto gearbox because of rev matching.
what will have an influence is purchase rate...if not enough people buy the manual then it is dead...and customers don't decide to choose manual over auto gearbox because of rev matching.
Patrick Bateman said:
Cold said:
Look, I don't mind there being a switch or a button to start the engine just as long as I can still use the cranking handle if I want to.
Not quite the same, but you knew that.
At the moment all I see is a bunch of beards refusing to embrace technology and are stuck in a certain segment of time within the car's evolution.
Patrick Bateman said:
Do you honestly struggle to see why some drivers still want it?
Wait, what? Nothing is being removed by force. Manufacturers will produce whatever they think will sell. It's up to the old giffers to make sure there's still a demand. But chances are that in the real world many will prefer an easy life. You've only got to skim read some of the EV threads to glean that there are some who are relishing autonomous cars let alone a simple electronic feature that comes with an off switch.Cold said:
Wait, what? Nothing is being removed by force. Manufacturers will produce whatever they think will sell. It's up to the old giffers to make sure there's still a demand. But chances are that in the real world many will prefer an easy life. You've only got to skim read some of the EV threads to glean that there are some who are relishing autonomous cars let alone a simple electronic feature that comes with an off switch.
Most folk have said they don't mind as long as there's an off switch. I thought you were saying it from the point of view that everyone should just move with the times and not care about wanting to rev match themselves any more.My auto M135i was in for some checks and the dealer gave me a brand new 2-series tourer that had it. It was actually really nice, which surprised me. I didn't make the car any more fun to drive, but it made it considerably less painful to drive since the engine isn't a very nice one.
If my next car is a manual I will definitely lean towards one with this feature since it toes the line between auto's comfort and manual's fun.
If my next car is a manual I will definitely lean towards one with this feature since it toes the line between auto's comfort and manual's fun.
k it
Clutch actuation became worth on some cars in more or less recent years thanks to things like clutch delay walve (or whatever the thing is called). So clutch operation became more unpredictable, and I have to admit rev-matching helps here. But it is one "evil" to lessen the other "evil". What I do not like about rev-matching is that shifting into engine breaking is "delayed" - if that makes sense. In the end, if there's an off-switch I don't mind having this option.
Cold said:
Show your workings.
At the moment all I see is a bunch of beards refusing to embrace technology and are stuck in a certain segment of time within the car's evolution.
If you follow that to its logical conclusion, cars won't even have gearboxes before too long, and nor will we be driving them...At the moment all I see is a bunch of beards refusing to embrace technology and are stuck in a certain segment of time within the car's evolution.
I reckon if not blipping the throttle on downshifts was a serious problem for cars nowadays, my granddad's Corsa would have needed its gearbox fixing a very long time ago!
No, if you like the sound auto-blipping makes, more power to you, but it still feels a bit of a gimmick to me. Pure personal preference, but given the choice I think I'd do without purely for simplicity's sake.
No, if you like the sound auto-blipping makes, more power to you, but it still feels a bit of a gimmick to me. Pure personal preference, but given the choice I think I'd do without purely for simplicity's sake.
Same, no objection to rev-matching as long as I can switch off whenever I want.
But more importantly, for most of the die-hard manual fans, is the quality of shifting gears. Take a look of the manual gearbox in Cayman GT4, engineering wise, it is a masterpiece, it is so precise, slick and effortless shifting between gears, but sentimentally, it is a failure to meet manual gearbox fans like me..it is far too slick, it is so smooth that you can't even feel like you are shift gears but moving the gear stick through the gate, what it means is you are just like shifting with the manual gearbox in your Logitec G27/ G29 wheel along with your PS4 and GT Sport combo....
We drive manual for the mechanical control, the footwork, the joy of precise hand/foot work (better cornering speed / control / gesture of the car is no longer the reason for driving a manual modern car in nowadays, right? Don't tell me you can beat DCT gear changing speed with your manual gearbox! ), but some latest manual gearbox design (again, GT4) makes driving manual is pleasure-less thing....
But more importantly, for most of the die-hard manual fans, is the quality of shifting gears. Take a look of the manual gearbox in Cayman GT4, engineering wise, it is a masterpiece, it is so precise, slick and effortless shifting between gears, but sentimentally, it is a failure to meet manual gearbox fans like me..it is far too slick, it is so smooth that you can't even feel like you are shift gears but moving the gear stick through the gate, what it means is you are just like shifting with the manual gearbox in your Logitec G27/ G29 wheel along with your PS4 and GT Sport combo....
We drive manual for the mechanical control, the footwork, the joy of precise hand/foot work (better cornering speed / control / gesture of the car is no longer the reason for driving a manual modern car in nowadays, right? Don't tell me you can beat DCT gear changing speed with your manual gearbox! ), but some latest manual gearbox design (again, GT4) makes driving manual is pleasure-less thing....
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