RE: Audi Q7 V12 TDI: PH Heroes
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
You know, the points you've raised here, have already been addressed.
I will even reiterate them for you (just to prevent you from lying again and saying they haven't been). This kind of car appeals to those who may not have sufficient land and are therefore "stuck" with just the one parking space.
I would understand that to an extent (as I mentioned, if you had a specific need to tow a heavy load), but then if someone is paying the better part of £150k, then there really is no excuse, because they could presumably afford a property with multiple parking spaces.
So, frankly, I do not buy the argument that this is a "one car fits all" proposition. Certainly not at £150k.
There have been numerous threads on PH about what to buy with less money - see the many £100k threads we used to see, and I'm sure you will find a great many possibilities. But do us a favour, and dont suggest that this overweight, inefficient vehicle is the ONLY solution for every buyer, including the "soccer mums".
Because that's plainly bulls
t that even a liar like you can recognise.
The grounds for your argument are based around the potential owners of these cars - all of which is conjecture. Let's leave it at that. I will even reiterate them for you (just to prevent you from lying again and saying they haven't been). This kind of car appeals to those who may not have sufficient land and are therefore "stuck" with just the one parking space.
I would understand that to an extent (as I mentioned, if you had a specific need to tow a heavy load), but then if someone is paying the better part of £150k, then there really is no excuse, because they could presumably afford a property with multiple parking spaces.
So, frankly, I do not buy the argument that this is a "one car fits all" proposition. Certainly not at £150k.
There have been numerous threads on PH about what to buy with less money - see the many £100k threads we used to see, and I'm sure you will find a great many possibilities. But do us a favour, and dont suggest that this overweight, inefficient vehicle is the ONLY solution for every buyer, including the "soccer mums".
Because that's plainly bulls
t that even a liar like you can recognise.big_rob_sydney said:
So, frankly, I do not buy the argument that this is a "one car fits all" proposition.
But do us a favour, and dont suggest that this overweight, inefficient vehicle is the ONLY solution for every buyer, including the "soccer mums".
Because that's plainly bullst
You have your opinions on the product however by 2020, 35% off all new car registrations in Europe will be an SUV ( http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170811/ANE/17...). You therefore have to accept that for a significant % of the car buying public, an SUV is the best solution to their needs. So in a totally free market, these "inefficient" vehicles are far from the "ONLY solution" yet a third of new car buyers will choose one. But do us a favour, and dont suggest that this overweight, inefficient vehicle is the ONLY solution for every buyer, including the "soccer mums".
Because that's plainly bulls
t
As I've said earlier in the thread, I don't think it's universally loved enough to be a PH Hero and I'm left uninspired by them.
But that's a very different sentiment to attacking others for their choice. While it doesn't ring my bell, it makes others happy. (It also provides at least one PHer with a fine towing car.)
We should all be very wary of those who seek to limit the choice of cars that we drive. Those people who are baying to remove Q7s from the road may find their own unnecessary driving choices questioned. Why on earth would you want a Monaro? An Elise? A Caterham? An Aston Martin? Anything more inspiring than a basic car?
No, I don't like Q7s. But I like the choice that people have to own one. If you argue against that choice to drive a car that is unnecessary, then the natural extension of that argument is that no one should have a car they don't need and we all end up driving Honda Jazzes.
But that's a very different sentiment to attacking others for their choice. While it doesn't ring my bell, it makes others happy. (It also provides at least one PHer with a fine towing car.)
We should all be very wary of those who seek to limit the choice of cars that we drive. Those people who are baying to remove Q7s from the road may find their own unnecessary driving choices questioned. Why on earth would you want a Monaro? An Elise? A Caterham? An Aston Martin? Anything more inspiring than a basic car?
No, I don't like Q7s. But I like the choice that people have to own one. If you argue against that choice to drive a car that is unnecessary, then the natural extension of that argument is that no one should have a car they don't need and we all end up driving Honda Jazzes.
Edited by blearyeyedboy on Friday 10th November 09:10
My only reservation about the vehicle would be the carbon ceramic discs, I imagine on something so heavy they will wear a bit quicker than usual, and they will be very expensive to replace. If I could find a steel replacement by someone like Tarox I'd be very happy to buy one of these as opposed to a Touareg V10 or a Cayenne S as a tow car for my track day car. Sod driving my little plastic VX220 Turbo too far to a track day I have more respect for my backside. From Hampshire I could waft down to Castle Coombe or up to Donington in sheer comfort in something like this and carry spare tyres etc with ease.
PhilboSE said:
big_rob_sydney said:
But do us a favour, and dont suggest that this overweight, inefficient vehicle is the ONLY solution for every buyer, including the "soccer mums".
Because that's plainly bullst that even a liar like you can recognise.
Please quote the lie I have made, or feel free to retract.Because that's plainly bulls
t that even a liar like you can recognise.PhilboSE said:
Andy20vt said:
Who cares about towing capacity - despite a certain poster on here claiming the opposite, it its a very rare sight to see a towbar fitted to a Q7!
You are aware that the Q7 has always had a retractable towbar that is invisible when not in use, aren't you?BIRMA said:
My only reservation about the vehicle would be the carbon ceramic discs, I imagine on something so heavy they will wear a bit quicker than usual, and they will be very expensive to replace. If I could find a steel replacement by someone like Tarox I'd be very happy to buy one of these as opposed to a Touareg V10 or a Cayenne S as a tow car for my track day car. Sod driving my little plastic VX220 Turbo too far to a track day I have more respect for my backside. From Hampshire I could waft down to Castle Coombe or up to Donington in sheer comfort in something like this and carry spare tyres etc with ease.
I'd take that as a challenge to never use the brakes. Just imagine you're driving a Mk2 Polo so it doesn't really have any brakes, it's amazing how rarely you really need them when you know you can't count on them 
dme123 said:
I'd take that as a challenge to never use the brakes. Just imagine you're driving a Mk2 Polo so it doesn't really have any brakes, it's amazing how rarely you really need them when you know you can't count on them
Many many years ago I went to disneyland Paris and getting off the ferry the brakes started the metal on metal scraping - by the time I got to Paris it was really badOn the return trip I managed Paris to Calais only using the brakes for the 2 tolls I passed through - all other slowing was via natural intertia - it wasn’t good!
BIRMA said:
It looks like Tarox do make a bespoke range disc to replace the carbon ceramics I'm pleased to discover. I have a full set of Tarox bespoke discs and pads on my heavy old Phaeton for years now with negligible wear or issues with warped discs.
This is great, we're getting to watch you talk yourself into buying one of these over the course of this thread 
dme123 said:
BIRMA said:
It looks like Tarox do make a bespoke range disc to replace the carbon ceramics I'm pleased to discover. I have a full set of Tarox bespoke discs and pads on my heavy old Phaeton for years now with negligible wear or issues with warped discs.
This is great, we're getting to watch you talk yourself into buying one of these over the course of this thread One other thought, if diesels are deemed to be the fuel of the devil could this have an impact on it's value in the next few years? you may not be able to give it away.
BIRMA said:
Nearly but no quite, considering you can buy a Cayenne Turbo S (the proper one) for half the price. I'm still some way from convincing myself despite the fact I'd like to buy it for that interesting ridiculous engine.
One other thought, if diesels are deemed to be the fuel of the devil could this have an impact on it's value in the next few years? you may not be able to give it away.
The number of potential buyers for one of these must be miniscule, it's possible that the asking prices vs the actual transaction prices are very different. Doubtless it can give you massive bills, and parts availability could be challenging too. I love a V12 so this is one I'd really like to try before I die, however it's a crying shame it never found its way into a more appealing vehicle. In anything lighter it would probably skew the weight distribution terribly to have such a humongous thing hanging out over the front axle, Audi style.One other thought, if diesels are deemed to be the fuel of the devil could this have an impact on it's value in the next few years? you may not be able to give it away.
dme123 said:
BIRMA said:
Nearly but no quite, considering you can buy a Cayenne Turbo S (the proper one) for half the price. I'm still some way from convincing myself despite the fact I'd like to buy it for that interesting ridiculous engine.
One other thought, if diesels are deemed to be the fuel of the devil could this have an impact on it's value in the next few years? you may not be able to give it away.
The number of potential buyers for one of these must be miniscule, it's possible that the asking prices vs the actual transaction prices are very different. Doubtless it can give you massive bills, and parts availability could be challenging too. I love a V12 so this is one I'd really like to try before I die, however it's a crying shame it never found its way into a more appealing vehicle. In anything lighter it would probably skew the weight distribution terribly to have such a humongous thing hanging out over the front axle, Audi style.One other thought, if diesels are deemed to be the fuel of the devil could this have an impact on it's value in the next few years? you may not be able to give it away.
On the whole I think large German engines provided they are maintained correctly are pretty reliable, so at the right price point I wouldn't be too worried about parts etc. Back when I was thinking of buying my V10 Phaeton there were many people saying stay clear of them, mega bucks to maintain etc until someone who actually owned one posted his experience and from that I went out and bought one. To date apart from general servicing it's cost me an extra £500 for PAS pipes in four years of pleasurable ownership.
BIRMA said:
I agree at this moment in time it's one to watch. If it had been sub £20K I'd have gone to look at it, but now I know they exist I'll be keeping an eye out.
On the whole I think large German engines provided they are maintained correctly are pretty reliable, so at the right price point I wouldn't be too worried about parts etc. Back when I was thinking of buying my V10 Phaeton there were many people saying stay clear of them, mega bucks to maintain etc until someone who actually owned one posted his experience and from that I went out and bought one. To date apart from general servicing it's cost me an extra £500 for PAS pipes in four years of pleasurable ownership.
Agreed about general engine reliability, I'd not expect it to be any more troublesome than a V6 or V8 diesel. The risk is that if anything does go wrong it'll be much more costly due to scarcity or parts, expertise, and accessibility. I need to look at a 7 seater, so I'm going to keep half an eye out for these too. I ran Jaguar petrol V12s as daily drivers for hundreds of thousands of miles, so neither the fuel consumption nor bork potential bothers me particularly On the whole I think large German engines provided they are maintained correctly are pretty reliable, so at the right price point I wouldn't be too worried about parts etc. Back when I was thinking of buying my V10 Phaeton there were many people saying stay clear of them, mega bucks to maintain etc until someone who actually owned one posted his experience and from that I went out and bought one. To date apart from general servicing it's cost me an extra £500 for PAS pipes in four years of pleasurable ownership.
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