RE: BMW M3 CS specs announced

RE: BMW M3 CS specs announced

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thelawnet1

1,539 posts

156 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Why would you pay cash?

You pay spread over, say 24 months, half of list. And then you can hand the car back or pay the other half.

How is that better than handing over £85k and then trying to sell it to a dealer for 40% of list in 2 years?

People paying cash these days are a bit dim surely?

Raramuri

91 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.
And if you map the 335d it will be faster than this M3 CS too. Bargain.

Chestrockwell

2,630 posts

158 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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thelawnet1 said:
Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Why would you pay cash?

You pay spread over, say 24 months, half of list. And then you can hand the car back or pay the other half.

How is that better than handing over £85k and then trying to sell it to a dealer for 40% of list in 2 years?

People paying cash these days are a bit dim surely?
Well if I was fortune enough to opt for a car that commands a 30k premium over the same car with a few more badges, a change in suspension set up and 10 extra hp, I’d definitely be able to buy it outright and not pay whatever the interest rate BMW are charging, like I said this is just a guess but that must be the case!



daemon

35,866 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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as7920 said:
It's a winner for me.

Shame about the £££££££. Crazy difference over the Competition Package.

However they are all doing it, new Audi RS5 for £89k and Merc C63S for £85k.

Edited by as7920 on Wednesday 8th November 08:07
I agree, lovely car but seriously? WTF? Who pays that sort of money for a car like this?


Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
It looks epic and clearly goes epic too. 3.9 seconds to 60 just sounds bonkers to me. I'm just not convinced it's as epic for the premium it commands over the CP version. In fact, just a standard M3/M4 would do me, at an even lower cost.
3.9 is the benchmark for all cars in this sector. The M3 is the last to break the 4 second mark. Bonkers indeed, especially when you consider this, the Alfa and the Merc don't have the RS5's AWD for off the line traction!
Yeah, i assumed that would be the case. It just sounds mental for a 4-door saloon though and didn't realise they could do those numbers.

I never really got the hate for the F80 M3/M4 in the first place. It's probably my first pick when my lottery numbers come up.
Likewise....but it was interesting having it for a weekend, and it's closest competitors for a weekend. All three are really quite different. All three are amazing cars, and for c£60k all are staggeringly capable.
You ended up buying the Alfa, if i'm not incorrect?

What swayed it for you?
The drive. It's just alive. Made the BMW and Merc feel lifeless and heavy. Add in a the exclusivity and a bit of Italian passion, it was the easiest decision I've made with cars as soon as I drove them all.

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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CaptainRAVE said:
Ruskins said:
Does make the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio look like very good value.
Just about the only thing the Alfa looks good about in comparison.
The voice of someone that clearly hasn't driven one wink

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Raramuri said:
Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.
And if you map the 335d it will be faster than this M3 CS too. Bargain.
That would have to be a hell of a map!!

redroadster

1,753 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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How much ? Think there are lots of people with buttons up back of there heads to pay this amount

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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as7920 said:
It's a winner for me.

Shame about the £££££££. Crazy difference over the Competition Package.

However they are all doing it, new Audi RS5 for £89k and Merc C63S for £85k.

Edited by as7920 on Wednesday 8th November 08:07
C63s is more like £65k wink

Chestrockwell

2,630 posts

158 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Ares said:
Raramuri said:
Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.
And if you map the 335d it will be faster than this M3 CS too. Bargain.
That would have to be a hell of a map!!
Scratch that! Where’s yipper, a mapped golf r would smash an m3 biggrin

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.

Also I see a lot of comparisons to the Alfa...tell me this, what will be more desirable in 15 years time? Check the classifieds, hundreds of e46’s all pushing 10 k with over 100k Miles, i know what I’d rather lump my money on
BMW struggled to sell the very, very limited 30 Jahre models at just over £80k. Not sure the CS is going to fare much better.

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

215 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Bet it won't sound as good as the E92 GTS..

https://youtu.be/jFroPYlmODk

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

128 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Unfortunately I’m about two pounds short of being able to afford this car just now, but if I had the means, I’d be all over it. And I wouldn’t give a hoot what someone else though if it, or the price of it.

The Competition cars are fantastic beasts, and this is just even more special. If you can’t [or don’t want to] afford one then fair enough, but there will be plenty of folk who can and do. As an owner of a pretty special modern classic BMW, I can fully appreciate the value in these cars.

Special M Cars strike an exquisite balance of luxury and performance. These will add exclusivity and extra gravitas to that M3 formula. I should be buying a new home next year...but do I really need those posh taps in the third downstairs bathroom? biggrin

ZX10R NIN

27,654 posts

126 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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I like the idea of this & the price is eye watering but if I was in the position to buy one, I'd get a Mustang GT350R but that's another thing.

I like the fact that BMW makes this kind of car, it should be celebrated if I was in the market for a 90+k M3 then I'd be seeking out a M3 CRT.

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
I like the idea of this & the price is eye watering but if I was in the position to buy one, I'd get a Mustang GT350R but that's another thing.

I like the fact that BMW makes this kind of car, it should be celebrated if I was in the market for a 90+k M3 then I'd be seeking out a M3 CRT.
Absolutely we should applaud that BMW and others make these cars. In a world of decreasing automotive fun, nutter cars should be celebrated.

Cheib

23,292 posts

176 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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thelawnet1 said:
Chestrockwell said:
I wonder how residuals will fare though, this is a limited model, yes it’s 85k for a 4 door saloon but I don’t find it overly expensive as a 335d can easily be specced up to over 50 k for a car that literally could be a 320d with a badge delete.

Yes you can get a big discount on a diesel however that’s only if you opt for the pcp. At a guess, I wouldn’t think people buying limited CS M3’s would go for the pcp deals, they are most likely cash buyers.
Why would you pay cash?

You pay spread over, say 24 months, half of list. And then you can hand the car back or pay the other half.

How is that better than handing over £85k and then trying to sell it to a dealer for 40% of list in 2 years?

People paying cash these days are a bit dim surely?
You'd pay cash if you actually want to own it...or get a finance package to get whatever discount the dealer/BMW will give you for taking finance and then pay it off straight away. What you absolutely definitely wouldn't do is make payments for 24 months and then "pay the other half" because it would add up to a lot more than the cost of the car outright. It would be beyond "dim to" do that.

cerb4.5lee

30,804 posts

181 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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I do think the fact that sport saloon cars can do 3.9 to 60 nowadays is very impressive, especially considering their weight.

cerb4.5lee

30,804 posts

181 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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BeirutTaxi said:
Bet it won't sound as good as the E92 GTS..
N/A died years ago in this sector...torque rules and the S65 never made a great noise as standard anyway...long live Turbo's for me.coolbiggrin

thelawnet1

1,539 posts

156 months

Wednesday 8th November 2017
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Cheib said:
You'd pay cash if you actually want to own it...or get a finance package to get whatever discount the dealer/BMW will give you for taking finance and then pay it off straight away. What you absolutely definitely wouldn't do is make payments for 24 months and then "pay the other half" because it would add up to a lot more than the cost of the car outright. It would be beyond "dim to" do that.
Depends what you mean by a lot more. The quoted interest rate on an M3 is 3.9%, that's the sort of return you can get elsewhere, so hardly expensive.

You don't have to pay the remainder, you can hand back the car if it's worth less.

Leins

9,482 posts

149 months

Thursday 9th November 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
if I was in the market for a 90+k M3 then I'd be seeking out a M3 CRT.
yes Got to sit in one of those a few years ago, superb thing! Just something about it that appealed to me more than pretty much any other BMW made since the E46 CSL

Think I'd still prefer a CLK Black myself though