RE: Dallara launches 855kg road car
Discussion
RumbleOfThunder said:
Because the Ecoboost will be cheaper and put out better numbers. TBH a Honda Vtec is hardly exotic, however loud the supercharger is.
I was more referring to the Ariel Atom 500 V8 which is basically two Suzuki Hayabusa engines glued together. Mental. However, the Honda F20C or K20A motors sound a million times better and the K20A in particular can take serious boost just like the Ecoboost if not better.
Suprercharged Vtec's rev just fine or at least mine did, problem is noise though, they make a hell of a racket and with most track days noise restricted it becomes a PITA, turbo cars are quieter at least.
Ref production of 600, good luck with that, I'd love to know how many 3-11's were sold as I am led to believe they have stopped making them already, these types of cars at this price don't sell in big numbers.
Ref production of 600, good luck with that, I'd love to know how many 3-11's were sold as I am led to believe they have stopped making them already, these types of cars at this price don't sell in big numbers.
thegreenhell said:
The 3-Eleven is 925kg. The lighter 4pot Elises can be as low as 798kg (according to their website).
I stand corrected. Those Sprint versions go somewhat lower than I thought. Not sure I'd want one though with just 124bhp (comparable to the original S1 with 118bhp, though, so the point stands).RumbleOfThunder said:
cib24 said:
Very very cool but why in the hell does everyone have to use that awful sounding Ford 2.0-2.3L Ecoboost motor? Why not be like Ariel and use something that sounds like it is worth paying £150,000 for?
Because the Ecoboost will be cheaper and put out better numbers. TBH a Honda Vtec is hardly exotic, however loud the supercharger is.JMF894 said:
Whilst I can understand the benefits of a compact and relatively lightweight 4 cylinder engine, I would need something far more exotic propelling me for that price tag.
Absolute...ment! £200,000 and a car which sounds like THAT? The Alfa 4C comes to mind with it's gorgeous lightweight figure and plain dull arse engine. I am afraid that a top end mint Gallardo for a lot less sounds a lot more wantable.JMF894 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
cib24 said:
Very very cool but why in the hell does everyone have to use that awful sounding Ford 2.0-2.3L Ecoboost motor? Why not be like Ariel and use something that sounds like it is worth paying £150,000 for?
Because the Ecoboost will be cheaper and put out better numbers. TBH a Honda Vtec is hardly exotic, however loud the supercharger is.
Grindle said:
Absolute...ment! £200,000 and a car which sounds like THAT? The Alfa 4C comes to mind with it's gorgeous lightweight figure and plain dull arse engine. I am afraid that a top end mint Gallardo for a lot less sounds a lot more wantable.
Exactly, Ariel does it better with the Honda K20A and the Hayabusa derived V8.I totally get the Ecoboost for something like the Zenos but not this car or the BAC Mono.
200K for a car with no doors and a 4pot eco boost seems to be pushing the boundaries of what a buyer may reasonably expect IMO.
Someone mentioned Alfa's V6 above, yeah, they've stopped making it (and demolished the factory) a while back as it wouldn't meet current emission standards. The DTM 155 engines were based on it though, imagine one of them in it?
Why did they put "step here" on the seats? Why not use the outline of a shoe, thereby transcending any language barriers?
Someone mentioned Alfa's V6 above, yeah, they've stopped making it (and demolished the factory) a while back as it wouldn't meet current emission standards. The DTM 155 engines were based on it though, imagine one of them in it?
Why did they put "step here" on the seats? Why not use the outline of a shoe, thereby transcending any language barriers?
RumbleOfThunder said:
JMF894 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
cib24 said:
Very very cool but why in the hell does everyone have to use that awful sounding Ford 2.0-2.3L Ecoboost motor? Why not be like Ariel and use something that sounds like it is worth paying £150,000 for?
Because the Ecoboost will be cheaper and put out better numbers. TBH a Honda Vtec is hardly exotic, however loud the supercharger is.Ok. So it seems that a lot of people in here are getting up in arms about the engine choice for the price.
Fair enough. Your money would likely go elsewhere. But when a manufacturer, with engineering capabilities and experience like Dallara have, launch a car and use an engine choice "chosen for its tuning flexibility" and charge this much, I think you can pretty much tell that they're putting their work into the chassis first.
The ecoboost is a massively versatile unit, with relatively low weight, tight packaging and more importantly, already emissions tested worldwide.
Yes, there are better engines that do all of the above better, sound better, more special etc, but that last one will be the key, with the versatility of tuning options as well it makes it a fairly obvious choice for them.
They aren't looking to sell a tonne, but they also aren't looking to have to spend on getting it through government tests either. They want to focus on what they do best, chassis development, this engine choice allows them to do that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm assuming a lot here, but it's all pretty logical if you follow it through.
I'm not in the market for one either though, so I will therefore decree that unless it has a 4 rotor turbo wankel or 3 litre Cosworth V10 I'm not touching it with your bargepole*
Fair enough. Your money would likely go elsewhere. But when a manufacturer, with engineering capabilities and experience like Dallara have, launch a car and use an engine choice "chosen for its tuning flexibility" and charge this much, I think you can pretty much tell that they're putting their work into the chassis first.
The ecoboost is a massively versatile unit, with relatively low weight, tight packaging and more importantly, already emissions tested worldwide.
Yes, there are better engines that do all of the above better, sound better, more special etc, but that last one will be the key, with the versatility of tuning options as well it makes it a fairly obvious choice for them.
They aren't looking to sell a tonne, but they also aren't looking to have to spend on getting it through government tests either. They want to focus on what they do best, chassis development, this engine choice allows them to do that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm assuming a lot here, but it's all pretty logical if you follow it through.
I'm not in the market for one either though, so I will therefore decree that unless it has a 4 rotor turbo wankel or 3 litre Cosworth V10 I'm not touching it with your bargepole*
- I'm just joking. Calm down guys. It's a nice car, let's not just say "bah, that bloody Ford engine".
To me, it is just that if I am going to drive an open top track car like this I want my ears to be blessed with musical exhaust notes. Not the crap noise the Ford makes. It's like the modern version of the Nissan SR20. Can make decent power but really sounds like s
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For £200k I would want that thing sounding pretty exotic.
t. For £200k I would want that thing sounding pretty exotic.
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