RE: Shed of the Week: Proton Persona GTI

RE: Shed of the Week: Proton Persona GTI

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Matt_N

8,903 posts

203 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Good little cars and at one point had a good following in the Proton Community but that seems to have faded out.

I had a Colt GTI which is what the Satria was based on, I ran it as a track for 3 years or so and it was brilliant - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

At the time I had a few friends that ran Mk2 Golf GTI track / race cars, the Colt was much better on track, thanks mostly to its independent rear suspension.

ChrisDT

1,863 posts

191 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Friend of mine has one of these with 40k sat on it in his back garden - offered it to me for £300 last year but it's rotting out so declined.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

206 months

PH Reportery Lad

Friday 17th November 2017
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Sorry about the naming mix up, should be sorted to Satria now...


Matt

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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s m said:
The handling was probably very good but even with that handling and its race-school reputation you can see a lack of pace compared to stuff with less power like the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS on a track



Looks like those results were all about handling rather than power doesn't it? The Satria is half a second quicker than the Leon Cupra which would have had 180BHP at the time, and the 106 and Saxo are ahead of a lot of more powerful cars.

PoopahScoopah

249 posts

126 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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I'd possibly..........slightly possibly........consider this if it was £500, and just down the road, and I needed something as a stop gap. At £1500, not a chance, I don't care how good a condition it's in.

There are a few things to like with these, but someone earlier hit the nail on the head - there's no feel good factor here. THis could be every bit as good as a Puma, an RS Clio, a Pug 106 or 306 etc, with laughs aplenty. But I just don't think I could shake off the fact that I was driving a Proton with bolted on arches. It's reeks of council estate, and to the less educated in all matters automotive you'd just look like you were driving a badly modified boy racer mobile from the Max Power era.

s m

23,249 posts

204 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Spumfry said:
s m said:
The handling was probably very good but even with that handling and its race-school reputation you can see a lack of pace compared to stuff with less power like the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS on a track



Looks like those results were all about handling rather than power doesn't it? The Satria is half a second quicker than the Leon Cupra which would have had 180BHP at the time, and the 106 and Saxo are ahead of a lot of more powerful cars.
That was my point exactly - disregarding the power claims/performance disappointment, it appears the USP of these was the Lotus-developed handling. Ergo you would expect it to be amongst the leaders on a handling track......

If it was running the 106/Saxo close ( with less grip and power ) you'd see the potential as an alternative with quirky arches or if it was known for not rusting etc....

Chacun a son gout
Personally find it hard to look past a 106/Saxo/Puma for same money

danlowe42

52 posts

127 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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s m said:


As the proud owner of a Mondeo 2.0 Zetec family wagon, this table has made my day laugh

I remember Tiff driving the Satria GTI around Sepang back in the day and thinking it looked amazing, those square tailpipes really stuck in my mind. It hasn't aged well though has it.

PistonBroker

2,422 posts

227 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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I have a client with a few of these. Two brothers in the trade who like a spot of clubman rallying. Needless to say, they've got a few Mk2 Escorts hanging around too.

On that basis I presume they're quite capable things.

Mike1990

964 posts

132 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Always thought these looked the nuts back in the day. Not quite sure now.

Still a good left field Hot Hatch.

Edited by Mike1990 on Friday 17th November 14:56

Zammy

558 posts

164 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Matt Bird said:
Sorry about the naming mix up, should be sorted to Satria now...


Matt
No need for an apology I reckon. As soon as I saw the car I thought when was it called a Satria? Always liked these when it first came out and I remember Tiff (think it was him) taking it around the then new Sepang F1 circuit. Never had I heard it be called a Satria.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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At the time 140 was hot hatch territory. With similar bhp and better handling it sounded like a great idea against the competition, just 7 years too late.

cannelldocam

45 posts

140 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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"Other than that, the external look is sharp enough in a grown-up Saxo kind of way to make you wonder why every other Proton looks so minging."

I think this is also minging looking, but I suppose it is all relative, being a Proton.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

84 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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soad said:
What about the rest of it?
Do I have to give a full review of a car so I can compliment the wheels?

Valgar

850 posts

136 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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Sounds like a bit of a speculative price to me, somewhere half price would be fair, it's never going to a be a classic.

It's a trend I've noticed lately, people confusing rarity with value, people wanting £2000 for old Almera GTis and Mazda Mx6's

mrpenks

368 posts

156 months

Friday 17th November 2017
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I’m pretty sure this was launched as Proton Persona Compact GTI and then changed name in 2001 to Satria GTI. I was looking at buying one at the time but that soon changed when I drove one. Unpleasant.

G Cressey

11 posts

157 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Had one of these back in the day... agreed not that fast but, as a youngster trying to run my own car, it was the cheapest hot hatch to insure (because nobody knew what it was).

That body kit with the Recaros and Lotus badging seemed like a huge step up from a Fiesta Freestyle too :-)

Always cool to see one on the roads nowadays... especially if it's still got the quirky twin square exhausts #WhatWereTheyThinking

s m

23,249 posts

204 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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mrpenks said:
I’m pretty sure this was launched as Proton Persona Compact GTI and then changed name in 2001 to Satria GTI. I was looking at buying one at the time but that soon changed when I drove one. Unpleasant.
There's a lot of confusion over the name smile

This car was based on the Proton Compact SRi, not the Persona.

When it was launched it was called the Proton Compact GTi, that was soon changed to just the Proton Gti.

So to clarify, this example for sale would have been a Proton Compact Gti or Proton Gti being on a V-plate. It is too early to be called a Satria

At the end of April 2000, the Proton range was re-hashed and the Proton GTi became the Proton Satria Gti ( the remainder of the Proton Compact range was also renamed to the Proton Satria )







I wonder where the writer sourced the performance figures from - all the tests I've seen they struggled to beat 8.9 to 60 and top a real 120 - certainly Lotus acknowledged he engine was the weak link in the package




Edited by s m on Saturday 18th November 17:40

s m

23,249 posts

204 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Matt Bird said:
Sorry about the naming mix up, should be sorted to Satria now...


Matt
It did become the Satria later Matt, but this example for sale is a Proton Compact GTi or maybe a Proton Gti.

Satria wasn't used until May 2000 if you want to be precise

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Just awful.

Paulm4

322 posts

158 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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loudlashadjuster said:
Knowing how Mitsubishis and their Kit-Kat wrapper steel rust though I'd be vary wary of one of these, unless the Malaysians applied some markedly improved metal-fu to these things.
Are kit kat wrappers not aluminium? wink