Tesla Roadster: Tesla unveils 'fastest production car ever'
Discussion
J4CKO said:
I didnt see any acceleration on that video, it was stationary and then it was moving at speed ! been in a model S and that was silly, this must be mind bendingly rapid.
I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Musk has blown billions of other people's money selling a rebadged Lotus and Merc and is financially very unlikely to survive.I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Spending billions of other people's money and subsidies is gifting, not selling.
Tesla is statistically doomed...
https://www.economist.com/news/business/21730446-f...
mgv8 said:
RobDickinson said:
Ev cars are so boring can't even go far.
The Roadster will have a range of close to 1,000km (620 miles) on a single charge and will do 0-100mph in 4.2 seconds.Worth noting that the truck range is based on fully loaded at highway speed, so I think Tesla are trying to be realistic about setting expectations in that regard these days. Just perhaps not as realistic with their delivery estimates.
mgv8 said:
RobDickinson said:
Ev cars are so boring can't even go far.
The Roadster will have a range of close to 1,000km (620 miles) on a single charge and will do 0-100mph in 4.2 seconds.Yipper said:
Not sure why all the excitement.
The Tesla Roadster is quite a bit slower than the Ariel Hipercar introduced a few months ago.
Ariel will launch in 2019 and arrive sooner, cost less, and drive faster.
So we've now established this is bThe Tesla Roadster is quite a bit slower than the Ariel Hipercar introduced a few months ago.
Ariel will launch in 2019 and arrive sooner, cost less, and drive faster.
ks from my other post.Yipper said:
And by the time the Tesla is launched commercially in 2020, Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren and Porsche will also all have cars that get to 60mph in under 2secs.
And I submit this is bks too. MAYBE Porsche with the next generation 911 Turbo, but I don't see Ferrari or McLaren rolling out any 4WD hypercars by then. Happy to be proven wrong so show your sources please.Fast yes........... stupidly so - interesting - no. except maybe from a technical viewpoint.
This is for the X-Box / statistics generation and the numbers are almost meaningless in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'd have more fun driving a manual MX5 / Aston V8V / TVR etc. down a suitably open country road than in hitting the "Warp Factor 9 Scotty" pedal in the Tesla........
I know this should excite me...... but it just doesn't............
This is for the X-Box / statistics generation and the numbers are almost meaningless in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'd have more fun driving a manual MX5 / Aston V8V / TVR etc. down a suitably open country road than in hitting the "Warp Factor 9 Scotty" pedal in the Tesla........
I know this should excite me...... but it just doesn't............
mgv8 said:
RobDickinson said:
Ev cars are so boring can't even go far.
The Roadster will have a range of close to 1,000km (620 miles) on a single charge and will do 0-100mph in 4.2 seconds.Yipper said:
J4CKO said:
I didnt see any acceleration on that video, it was stationary and then it was moving at speed ! been in a model S and that was silly, this must be mind bendingly rapid.
I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Musk has blown billions of other people's money selling a rebadged Lotus and Merc and is financially very unlikely to survive.I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Spending billions of other people's money and subsidies is gifting, not selling.
Tesla is statistically doomed...
https://www.economist.com/news/business/21730446-f...
I really cant see a brand with such global awareness just failing, it may change hand, be refinanced or whatever but I think it is here to stay.
Only if they receive the revenues from the 3 in enough size and within the close time frame they are now running in.
As can be seen with the mounting debt their ability to raise billions via investors is waning and the enormous premium in the share price is only being held up by the expectation of significant real cash revenues appearing in 2018. If those future revenues of real, actual money get delayed then the stock premium growth will fade and with it the ability to procure the investor money which is what they have and still currently live on, albeit more and more debt has been utilised to bridge the weakening in the ability to raise this money.
There is a clear and genuine statement that 2018 will define Tesla as it is when the stock premium growth without revenues phase will end, regardless. It will eaither end because they have actual revenues from the sales of the 3 or it will end because there is no more investor capital.
It's a big year. This roadster is irrelevant in terms of cash flow. It's hugely important for further propelling the brand and as others have alluded it might also be vital in making enough people look somewhere else while they sort out getting the 3 to market and getting hold of real cash.
As can be seen with the mounting debt their ability to raise billions via investors is waning and the enormous premium in the share price is only being held up by the expectation of significant real cash revenues appearing in 2018. If those future revenues of real, actual money get delayed then the stock premium growth will fade and with it the ability to procure the investor money which is what they have and still currently live on, albeit more and more debt has been utilised to bridge the weakening in the ability to raise this money.
There is a clear and genuine statement that 2018 will define Tesla as it is when the stock premium growth without revenues phase will end, regardless. It will eaither end because they have actual revenues from the sales of the 3 or it will end because there is no more investor capital.
It's a big year. This roadster is irrelevant in terms of cash flow. It's hugely important for further propelling the brand and as others have alluded it might also be vital in making enough people look somewhere else while they sort out getting the 3 to market and getting hold of real cash.
Dog Star said:
mgv8 said:
RobDickinson said:
Ev cars are so boring can't even go far.
The Roadster will have a range of close to 1,000km (620 miles) on a single charge and will do 0-100mph in 4.2 seconds.BugLebowski said:
Eventually the death of the internal combustion engine will come at the hand of lack of performance rather than anything else.
Who will want to buy a v8 when your grannies EV will toast it from the lights?
Indeed. Also, who would want to buy a mechanical watch when these fancy new digital ones are so accurate and reliable...Who will want to buy a v8 when your grannies EV will toast it from the lights?
For the a-b tasks - commuting, shopping etc, and for people with no soul, the new dawn is here. There are enough of us loons to keep the good old stuff going tough.
Dave Hedgehog said:
culpz said:
Looks gorgeous and that 0-60 figure is nothing short of ballistic! My only real gripe is the name. For a supercar, simply calling it the Tesla Roadster just makes it seem really watered-down and not very special. Come to think of it, most of Tesla's model names and variants don't really do them justice.
Of course, i'm nick-picking. Would be great to see some of these of the road.
its about brand building, every social media post, news review, youtube vid etc. reinforces the brand, the same reason apple sticks giant logo's on all their products Of course, i'm nick-picking. Would be great to see some of these of the road.
What i'm getting at is the complete opposite, especially for this new model. Calling their "Fastest production car ever" the Roadster just seems a bit underwhelming to me.
Yipper said:
J4CKO said:
I didnt see any acceleration on that video, it was stationary and then it was moving at speed ! been in a model S and that was silly, this must be mind bendingly rapid.
I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Musk has blown billions of other people's money selling a rebadged Lotus and Merc and is financially very unlikely to survive.I wonder what tyres it has on for 1.9 seconds to sixty ? the fact it does 100 2 and a bit seconds later is amazing, I remember hearing Murray Walker saying a Metro 6R4 Rallycross car could do sixty in 1.9 seconds and had to rewind the video to check, makes me wonder what it would do on drag slicks ?
I find it amusing that people are calling Elon Musk out like he is some kind of snake oil salesman/showman, he has actually delivered some cars I believe, maybe 10 or more.....
I am no fanboy, but it needed someone to shake stuff up, whilst the old guard were carrying on regardless he arrives and rips up the rulebook, produces a desirable EV, no mean feat, it isnt the last word in quality or whatever but they didnt really exist ten years ago, hell of an achievement, its liek Apple did with the mobile phone, nothing that new tech wise but they way it was all put together struck a chord and people went mad for, it look at say a Nokia from ten years ago versus an iphone, very similar step change.
Spending billions of other people's money and subsidies is gifting, not selling.
Tesla is statistically doomed...
https://www.economist.com/news/business/21730446-f...
Dr Nookie said:
Indeed. Also, who would want to buy a mechanical watch when these fancy new digital ones are so accurate and reliable...
For the a-b tasks - commuting, shopping etc, and for people with no soul, the new dawn is here. There are enough of us loons to keep the good old stuff going tough.
How politicised was the view of the mechanical watch? How many legislators worked to have the mechanical watch replaced? For the a-b tasks - commuting, shopping etc, and for people with no soul, the new dawn is here. There are enough of us loons to keep the good old stuff going tough.
I'm afraid you're confusing an event driven by pure market forces alone with one that has only to date been driven by political forces. Political forces don't tolerate survivors. The old don't not feature in a new world order event.
We all hope for your view but we all know that would require only natural market forces to be at work and we obviously all know that this is not the case here.
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