Tesla Roadster: Tesla unveils 'fastest production car ever'

[Byker28i]

J4CKO said:

928GT-tastic said:

Many wives & gays will buy this car. No noise no passion. Let's all go to a Tupperware party guys

Where did you pop up from, 1975 ?

You know "Wives and "gays" do sometimes also like cars, some very respected and long standing posters on here have some really interesting cars and passion for all things motoring but belong to one or more of those groups ?

Welcome, but please think before you post stuff like that.

4 posts in 14 months, must be too busy polishing his 928gt. Didn't that have a huge 5l engine for a tiny bhp?

[AW111]

DonkeyApple said:

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So let's all dress up like lumberjacks, ram a Bluetooth enabled butplug home and go and spend everything we earn on worthless tech consumables. But don't forget to instagram a picture of you fixing the planet while at the shops.
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They are consumption mad.
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It wasn't a coiffured, brainwashed young mouth peice who
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Prancing about, spending everything you earn on looking pretty, like a girl and having the latest must have gadgets and cars, like a girl but all the time posting comments on social media about how much you care for pandas
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Looks like a pretty standard grumpy old man diatribe to me .

I admit to being annoyed when "digital natives" patronise me as an old fogey, when it was my generation and the one before that built the bloody internet and invented the PC and mobile phone.
But there are just as many old fools and idiots as young ones, and I know plenty of young people who are far from the shallow consumption-driven fools you pilloried.

In fact many of the worst social media tts are middle-aged : I know of a 71 year old who makes a fool of himself on twitter daily, and appears to be utterly self obsessed and fascinated by bling and consumption.

[g3org3y]

928GT-tastic said:

Many wives & gays will buy this car. No noise no passion. Let's all go to a Tupperware party guys

[London424]

Too Drunk to Funk said:

Fastest "production" car ever?

Given they are struggling to "produce" that dull old repmobile the Model 3, will believe it when I see it.

Seem ok knocking out the other 100,000 cars a year.

[DonkeyApple]

AW111 said:

DonkeyApple said:

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So let's all dress up like lumberjacks, ram a Bluetooth enabled butplug home and go and spend everything we earn on worthless tech consumables. But don't forget to instagram a picture of you fixing the planet while at the shops.
...
They are consumption mad.
...
It wasn't a coiffured, brainwashed young mouth peice who
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Prancing about, spending everything you earn on looking pretty, like a girl and having the latest must have gadgets and cars, like a girl but all the time posting comments on social media about how much you care for pandas
...

Looks like a pretty standard grumpy old man diatribe to me .

I admit to being annoyed when "digital natives" patronise me as an old fogey, when it was my generation and the one before that built the bloody internet and invented the PC and mobile phone.
But there are just as many old fools and idiots as young ones, and I know plenty of young people who are far from the shallow consumption-driven fools you pilloried.

In fact many of the worst social media tts are middle-aged : I know of a 71 year old who makes a fool of himself on twitter daily, and appears to be utterly self obsessed and fascinated by bling and consumption.

That was kind of the point of my post. Hence suggesting to look more closely at the second para. The nuance being that if you highlight the extremity within one group you begin to appreciate that it is across all groups. Just like the older people who tried to fix problems there are younger people trying to fix things but most people are just part of the problem not part of any solution.

I don't even think Musk is part of the solution. He is busy trying to go and live on Mars as he thinks everything is far too fked here but in the meantime trying to create yet another massive, excessive consumption feeding machine so as to become even richer and even more famous and adding to the whole fkedness. But woe betide anyone who dares not to devoutly believe all the marketing bks this new messiah spouts to his willing army of acolytes who believe they can consume their way out of the situation they believe they find themselves in.

I'm not an angry individual. Remarkably mellow but I have chosen to not partake in the rampant consumerism and insanity that has gripped Western society and is ripping it apart with its ever deepening wealth divide and indebtedness. Two elements which thousands of years of history have repeatedly proven time and time again to never lead to anywhere good.

[Nik da Greek]

Yipper said:

global warmists

You made that up

[rscott]

Nik da Greek said:

Yipper said:

global warmists

You made that up

Yipper make things up? surely not..

[AW111]

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not an angry individual. Remarkably mellow but I have chosen to not partake in the rampant consumerism and insanity that has gripped Western society and is ripping it apart with its ever deepening wealth divide and indebtedness. Two elements which thousands of years of history have repeatedly proven time and time again to never lead to anywhere good.

While I disagree with you about Musk (especially your line about acolytes), I agree with the portion of your post quoted above.
I hate the endless drive to throw out perfectly functional stuff so you can replace it with newer stuff.

[amstrange1]

Max_Torque said:

The "interesting" bit about this new car is not the acceleration, but the fact it's the first EV that also claims a high top speed, which means it almost certainly now has a gearbox!

(with fixed gear EV's you have a trade off been accel and top speed, a typical SPM has a CPSR of around 3 to 1, so if the car can do 120mph, then peak power arrives at 40mph. But to do >200mph means there must be gearbox between the motor and the wheels! (maybe only 2 speeds)

Or multiple EMs and a disconnect clutch here and there - though multi-speed transmission most likely I agree. By 2021(ish) they wouldn't be the only BEV with a multi-ratio 'box either.

Edited by amstrange1 on Saturday 18th November 13:53

[amstrange1]

kambites said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Ariel = 0-60mph in 2.4 secs
Tesla = 0-60mph in 1.9 secs
Ariel = top speed 160mph
Tesla = top speed 250+mph

And perhaps more to the point; Tesla appear to have a fully functional prototype already pushing out those sorts of acceleration figures (although no evidence yet of high speed runs) and Ariel have some CAD and some guesswork.

I hope the Ariel works out, but I think there's far more chance of Tesla actually producing a car, let alone one which matches the quoted figures (albeit probably not for a while, knowing them).

In fairness to Ariel, they've got something in hardware - it was on the APC stand at the LCV show this year:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ariel-...

[AW111]

For those who don't like the lack of engine noise, teach your passenger to play the trombone :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UotZ_ZLB5A

[rscott]

amstrange1 said:

kambites said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Ariel = 0-60mph in 2.4 secs
Tesla = 0-60mph in 1.9 secs
Ariel = top speed 160mph
Tesla = top speed 250+mph

And perhaps more to the point; Tesla appear to have a fully functional prototype already pushing out those sorts of acceleration figures (although no evidence yet of high speed runs) and Ariel have some CAD and some guesswork.

I hope the Ariel works out, but I think there's far more chance of Tesla actually producing a car, let alone one which matches the quoted figures (albeit probably not for a while, knowing them).

In fairness to Ariel, they've got something in hardware - it was on the APC stand at the LCV show this year:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ariel-...

15 minutes of flat out driving before it needs a 50 minute recharge?

[Too Drunk to Funk]

Byker28i said:

4 posts in 14 months, must be too busy polishing his 928gt. Didn't that have a huge 5l engine for a tiny bhp?

Only the non S models.

[Blaster72]

Anyway, back to the topic.

Seems like the UK price for the founders edition of the Roadster is £189,000 or the normal Roadster for £151,000. Not sure what the difference between the two is though.

Tesla said:

Founders Series Roadster reservations require an initial £4,000 credit card payment, plus a £185,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. Reservations are not final until the wire transfer payment is received.

Tesla said:

Roadster reservations require an initial £4,000 credit card payment, plus a £34,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. Reservations are not final until the wire transfer payment is received. Total vehicle price is £151,000. Balance due at delivery..

Is that normal behaviour to pay £190k upfront via wire transfer for something you can't test drive, no one has reviewed and isn't available. Seems a bit daft to me especially given Tesla's current financial condition. I can see a firm deposit being needed but the full amount in 10 days? Bonkers.

[0a]

It’s rather cheap for the world’s fastest car at this price!

The and one of the conventional Hypercar? The existing manufacturers’ own faults in some ways - trading solely on 0-60 times gives you an issue when someone else comes along and beats them.

[DonkeyApple]

Blaster72 said:

Anyway, back to the topic.

Seems like the UK price for the founders edition of the Roadster is £189,000 or the normal Roadster for £151,000. Not sure what the difference between the two is though.

Tesla said:

Founders Series Roadster reservations require an initial £4,000 credit card payment, plus a £185,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. Reservations are not final until the wire transfer payment is received.

Tesla said:

Roadster reservations require an initial £4,000 credit card payment, plus a £34,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. Reservations are not final until the wire transfer payment is received. Total vehicle price is £151,000. Balance due at delivery..

Is that normal behaviour to pay £190k upfront via wire transfer for something you can't test drive, no one has reviewed and isn't available. Seems a bit daft to me especially given Tesla's current financial condition. I can see a firm deposit being needed but the full amount in 10 days? Bonkers.

You'd need more details but on the surface it does read as if you have to loan them £200k for 3 years for no return and a real chance that the company won't be there in 3 years time.

I'm sure there are actual protections in place such as the funds being held segregated from the company balance sheet but it still seems out of kilter to demand full payment at such an early phase. Maybe this is completely normal in hypercar world, having learnt from the hole Jaguar left themselves in with the 220?

[Tuna]

DonkeyApple said:

You'd need more details but on the surface it does read as if you have to loan them £200k for 3 years for no return and a real chance that the company won't be there in 3 years time.

I'm sure there are actual protections in place such as the funds being held segregated from the company balance sheet but it still seems out of kilter to demand full payment at such an early phase. Maybe this is completely normal in hypercar world, having learnt from the hole Jaguar left themselves in with the 220?

A cynic would say that in the middle of a cash flow crisis, a few hundred people putting down 200K deposits wouldn't go amiss, even if the balance sheet does technically have to ring fence the money.

I can't say the styling screams hypercar to me though - it looks like a Elise reskinned by someone who drives to work in an Audi TT. The problem is that when electric motors make it easy to produce silly performance numbers, the rest of the car has to justify such a high price. The same happened when hot-hatches suddenly started to get seriously fast; the high end stuff had to step up a level beyond just 0-60 and top speed top trumps.

[RobDickinson]

250 million isn't going to really help Tesla if they can't get the 3 out the door soon.

Though there will easily be 1000 people queueing up for the founders edition.

[isaldiri]

DonkeyApple said:

You'd need more details but on the surface it does read as if you have to loan them £200k for 3 years for no return and a real chance that the company won't be there in 3 years time.

I'm sure there are actual protections in place such as the funds being held segregated from the company balance sheet but it still seems out of kilter to demand full payment at such an early phase. Maybe this is completely normal in hypercar world, having learnt from the hole Jaguar left themselves in with the 220?

Traxx on the other thread suggests not.

traxx said:

Notice the deposit terms (which btw are the same as the Model3)

You understand that we will not hold your Reservation Payment separately or in an escrow or trust fund or pay any interest on your Reservation Payment

[Tuna]

RobDickinson said:

250 million isn't going to really help Tesla if they can't get the 3 out the door soon.

Though there will easily be 1000 people queueing up for the founders edition.

It's a convenient distraction.

There's only so long the numbers are going to impress people, given similar drive trains will be available to all of the usual suspects. I really think you'd be mad to put down a full deposit on that right now - but understand that this is not a time where people are applying a great deal of logic.