Tesla Roadster: Tesla unveils 'fastest production car ever'
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8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
Just look at the supercharger network - https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus?redirect=no#/bo...One hell of a ponzi scheme if there was one.
Assuming that these numbers are real, then I do think that this will be a watershed moment.
For me, an old line piston head this will not change my life, but if I were 20 or so and looking to the future, I would wonder about the likes of Ferrari, Porsche,or the super exotics.
There will basically be no more records set by cars with internal combustion engines.Go out five years and it will be worse. There will be no reason to invest the development dollars.
Just as the manual gearbox is now just a test of skill and little to do with actual performance or competitive times, the day of the IC engine being the performance king will very soon be over.
Yes, I am very well aware that to achieve competitive times requires skills of course, but in terms of actual SALES, many people buy exotic cars for their status as performance leaders. How many endless columns have there been about the Veyron/Chiron for instance?...
As always , with great change,, the new thing will have all sorts of challenges,,remember how awful the Internet was before the worldwide web?...or the simply horrible digital cameras?/ Or the giant cellphones with limited coverage?..we are at the Danes of this stuff and in my opinion it will advance very rapidly. I am aware of the usual arguments re infrastructure, but as always they will be solved.
For me, an old line piston head this will not change my life, but if I were 20 or so and looking to the future, I would wonder about the likes of Ferrari, Porsche,or the super exotics.
There will basically be no more records set by cars with internal combustion engines.Go out five years and it will be worse. There will be no reason to invest the development dollars.
Just as the manual gearbox is now just a test of skill and little to do with actual performance or competitive times, the day of the IC engine being the performance king will very soon be over.
Yes, I am very well aware that to achieve competitive times requires skills of course, but in terms of actual SALES, many people buy exotic cars for their status as performance leaders. How many endless columns have there been about the Veyron/Chiron for instance?...
As always , with great change,, the new thing will have all sorts of challenges,,remember how awful the Internet was before the worldwide web?...or the simply horrible digital cameras?/ Or the giant cellphones with limited coverage?..we are at the Danes of this stuff and in my opinion it will advance very rapidly. I am aware of the usual arguments re infrastructure, but as always they will be solved.
8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
What has he failed to deliver before? Yes they are usually later than stated, but I’m not aware of things announced but never delivered.
London424 said:
8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
What has he failed to deliver before? Yes they are usually later than stated, but I’m not aware of things announced but never delivered.
He's great at building hype and making statements which sound big but are vague, e.g. the 1milion miles non breakdown guarantee on the semi. Or the fact how fast it can go uphill and how great the range is, not mentioning that range uphill will be nothing like the typical quoted.
jamoor said:
8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
Just look at the supercharger network - https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus?redirect=no#/bo...One hell of a ponzi scheme if there was one.
8V085 said:
London424 said:
8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
What has he failed to deliver before? Yes they are usually later than stated, but I’m not aware of things announced but never delivered.
He's great at building hype and making statements which sound big but are vague, e.g. the 1milion miles non breakdown guarantee on the semi. Or the fact how fast it can go uphill and how great the range is, not mentioning that range uphill will be nothing like the typical quoted.
They are looking like delivering over 100,000 S and X’s this year you know? That tells me plenty of people are buying the products.
Who knows, it might all be smoke and mirrors, but you’re a pretty brave person to bet against him.
London424 said:
8V085 said:
London424 said:
8V085 said:
Would any of you buy a house from a developer who constantly comes up with new ideas and promises of great future despite failing to deliver previously announced schemes. This is how ponzi schemes operate.
What has he failed to deliver before? Yes they are usually later than stated, but I’m not aware of things announced but never delivered.
He's great at building hype and making statements which sound big but are vague, e.g. the 1milion miles non breakdown guarantee on the semi. Or the fact how fast it can go uphill and how great the range is, not mentioning that range uphill will be nothing like the typical quoted.
They are looking like delivering over 100,000 S and X’s this year you know? That tells me plenty of people are buying the products.
Who knows, it might all be smoke and mirrors, but you’re a pretty brave person to bet against him.
So they want to deliver cool EVs rather than the boring or weird ones. The ones that get trashed in the press...
Tesla/Musk hasnt failed on anything yet apart from the typical deadlines, if you know what his businesses are like you understand that, you get what he promises, just late...
100,000 EV's this year is pretty good going at those prices.
Tesla/Musk hasnt failed on anything yet apart from the typical deadlines, if you know what his businesses are like you understand that, you get what he promises, just late...
100,000 EV's this year is pretty good going at those prices.
8V085 said:
Tesla model 3 and the promises made when it was launched looked a bit optimistic and thus far it has been a bit of failure. Not to mention that it isn't actually released yet, it's on roads being beta tested by Tesla's employees.
Yes, strange that we don't even have a 3 in the local dealership yet. I just can't make myself trust anything that Elon Musk says. There's an air of snake oil to everything that comes out of Tesla, intended to make for good headlines in your Facebook feed rather than give actual traction to the electric car against its ICE counterparts. Everything reads like something that you would expect to hear from a narrator in a 'Tesla - What Went Wrong' documentary in a few years' time.
What I'm waiting for is a solution to overnight charging for people who don't have a garage and park their car on the street. But I guess his smug 'simple math' solution to everything doesn't cover that...
What I'm waiting for is a solution to overnight charging for people who don't have a garage and park their car on the street. But I guess his smug 'simple math' solution to everything doesn't cover that...
D-Angle said:
What I'm waiting for is a solution to overnight charging for people who don't have a garage and park their car on the street. But I guess his smug 'simple math' solution to everything doesn't cover that...
As legislation pushes new ICE into extinction in the West then hybrid will be the infill for those who cannot easily charge an EV domestically. That'll be quite a long transition period as the massive infrastructure to solve home charging for all only really becomes viable once EVs become genuinely cheaper to purchase than hybrids/ICE. If you look at the basic economics of the most common U.K. household they need a car but certainly cannot afford to pay the premium for an EV but once the EV does become the cheaper purchase then there will be a sea change to its adoption. Until then the majority will remain with ICE and where they are legislated out of ICE they will use hybrid technology.
And you can see these basic economics being acted upon by the incumbent car manufacturers who while they are building pure EVs for the more premium endbof the market they are delivering hybrids for the masses.
Private EVs will remain more the premium end product or specialist niches for quite some time. It's hybrids that almost all of us will be driving by the end of the 2020s. And in the EV segment, if that is remaining a more premium segment then when competition arrives from Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Audi, Volvo and probably many more then this is going to be a very competitive market place where branding obviously is vital but so is being able to deliver a product with enough profit margin and that means hugely efficient construction as well as battery supply. And the incumbents do have the edge on both aspects there.
DonkeyApple said:
As legislation pushes new ICE into extinction in the West then hybrid will be the infill for those who cannot easily charge an EV domestically. That'll be quite a long transition period as the massive infrastructure to solve home charging for all only really becomes viable once EVs become genuinely cheaper to purchase than hybrids/ICE.
If you look at the basic economics of the most common U.K. household they need a car but certainly cannot afford to pay the premium for an EV but once the EV does become the cheaper purchase then there will be a sea change to its adoption. Until then the majority will remain with ICE and where they are legislated out of ICE they will use hybrid technology.
And you can see these basic economics being acted upon by the incumbent car manufacturers who while they are building pure EVs for the more premium endbof the market they are delivering hybrids for the masses.
Private EVs will remain more the premium end product or specialist niches for quite some time. It's hybrids that almost all of us will be driving by the end of the 2020s. And in the EV segment, if that is remaining a more premium segment then when competition arrives from Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Audi, Volvo and probably many more then this is going to be a very competitive market place where branding obviously is vital but so is being able to deliver a product with enough profit margin and that means hugely efficient construction as well as battery supply. And the incumbents do have the edge on both aspects there.
West? That's funny. China and India have cottoned on too.If you look at the basic economics of the most common U.K. household they need a car but certainly cannot afford to pay the premium for an EV but once the EV does become the cheaper purchase then there will be a sea change to its adoption. Until then the majority will remain with ICE and where they are legislated out of ICE they will use hybrid technology.
And you can see these basic economics being acted upon by the incumbent car manufacturers who while they are building pure EVs for the more premium endbof the market they are delivering hybrids for the masses.
Private EVs will remain more the premium end product or specialist niches for quite some time. It's hybrids that almost all of us will be driving by the end of the 2020s. And in the EV segment, if that is remaining a more premium segment then when competition arrives from Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Audi, Volvo and probably many more then this is going to be a very competitive market place where branding obviously is vital but so is being able to deliver a product with enough profit margin and that means hugely efficient construction as well as battery supply. And the incumbents do have the edge on both aspects there.
China see electric cars as a way to infiltrate western markets in a big way with electric cars. Imo Chinese manufacturers will leapfrog ice and introduce electric cars to us.
D-Angle said:
What I'm waiting for is a solution to overnight charging for people who don't have a garage and park their car on the street. But I guess his smug 'simple math' solution to everything doesn't cover that...
I don't know, maybe a 300 mile range car that can 80% charge in 40 mins at a growing network of proprietary rapid charger clusters located around the country that would eventually allow people to go about their normal business (shopping, socialising, cinema) whilst they got a week's worth of charge?If only someone could make that a reality.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
8V085 said:
Tesla model 3 and the promises made when it was launched looked a bit optimistic and thus far it has been a bit of failure. Not to mention that it isn't actually released yet, it's on roads being beta tested by Tesla's employees.
Yes, strange that we don't even have a 3 in the local dealership yet. I guess the new TVR is a failure already then. As was the Bugatti Veyron,
Evanivitch said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
8V085 said:
Tesla model 3 and the promises made when it was launched looked a bit optimistic and thus far it has been a bit of failure. Not to mention that it isn't actually released yet, it's on roads being beta tested by Tesla's employees.
Yes, strange that we don't even have a 3 in the local dealership yet. I guess the new TVR is a failure already then. As was the Bugatti Veyron,
D-Angle said:
I just can't make myself trust anything that Elon Musk says. There's an air of snake oil to everything that comes out of Tesla, intended to make for good headlines in your Facebook feed rather than give actual traction to the electric car against its ICE counterparts. Everything reads like something that you would expect to hear from a narrator in a 'Tesla - What Went Wrong' documentary in a few years' time.
Exactly this, there is a strong whiff of BS in his statements. Had he had access to unlimited supply of cash I'd be less sceptical.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff