RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'

[bullittmcqueen]

98elise said:

traxx said:

I doubt they even intend to build this car they just want lots of idiots to put up deposits and help fund their business

Notice the deposit terms (which btw are the same as the Model3)

You understand that we will not hold your Reservation Payment separately or in an escrow or trust fund or pay any interest on your Reservation Payment


ie we will use you deposit to try and fix out Model3 problems and if/when we go bust you won't get anything back

Only someone who has never read anything about this company would give them a deposit

How is a few deposits going to finance Tesla? I don't think you've done the sums right.

This will not fund Tesla in any significant way. But it will still be gone if they go bust and the terms about the escrow are true.

[otolith]

fblm said:

JonnyVTEC said:

Yet it’s 200kWh...

Was talking about the Nio

The Nio only really demonstrates that they don't necessarily have to suffer overheating problems on track. The Roadster should have enough range that it's not going to run out on a track day or B-road blast. So the question is really whether it will have both that range and the ability to sustain high outputs without overheating.

[Gandahar]

It does 0-60 in 1.9s and yet the battery pack rated in kilowatt hours?

So if I divide 200 by 3600 I get, er, hold on my Casio calculator is solar powered.

As we wait for it to charge up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdobBcZUII

( I actually own one of those bad boys!)

...

what time does sunrise happen in Sevenoaks?

200 by 3600. .. hmmm, got to be less than one.

might have an 18 in the answer. Or pi.

As I was saying, funny how they use hours and minutes when they should be be using decimal time less than the length of a marketing mans cock.

Have you noticed they limited the first test runs to 74mph? Did not want to push the 88mph barrier of course

That Donald Trump, he's got a lot to answer for.

[98elise]

isaldiri said:

98elise said:

How is a few deposits going to finance Tesla? I don't think you've done the sums right.

Founder edition, 1000 cars, $250k upfront

That as you might notice is quite a lot of money....

How much money does Tesla burn through in the average month?

[Gandahar]

Meanwhile. back in noisy land with a slow car

https://youtu.be/zGnV4kqs__U?t=6

[98elise]

CanAm said:

98elise said:

It is absolutely not based on an Elise chassis. The new roadster is a 4 seater for a start!

From the photos I don't think this is any more a serious 4-seater than an Evora. Though if it used a modified Evora chassis, we'd probably know about it.

My point is that an Elise chassis cannot in any way accommodate 4 people. It's a bespoke 2 seat chassis which only works with Elise derived 2 seat cars.

The Evora is of course similar in layout to the Tesla roadster, however that uses the VVA chassis. VVA chassis predates the Evora and as a modular system, so even if the roadster used that, it wouldn't be an Evora chassis.

[ikarl]

Mikos said:

I can see a real benefit with these big motors to have modes that are configurable, they can do almost anything with the maths behind the scenes. just imagine if they wanted to make a proper fun mode.... it should be easy to put in a gear lever with a nice mechanical feel and map virtual gears with throttle response to suit each gear esp with 10000nm on tap. virtual engine breaking and a programmable "diff". therefore not beyond the whit of man to make a real analogue feeling car that has a clutch and gear stick that feels natural. Virtual revs so if the gears so heal and doing can be done. no tc and boggs down if 5th is selected, rather than 3rd etc....Can choose power to suit road so can feel like you are really driving no front motor etc. in short i think the possibilities for fun are endless. it just needs manufacturers and programmers with a sense of fun and some imagination, the hardware appears to be there with this roadster. the only thing missing would be the noise. For track use I would be surprised if the batteries hold up but for fast road use would be perfect.

Absolutely has to be the number one lurker!!

[Cold]

This is a lot of talk about something that's the equivalent of automotive smoke and mirrors. Number one objective achieved by Musk.

[ensignia]

Gandahar said:

It does 0-60 in 1.9s and yet the battery pack rated in kilowatt hours?

So if I divide 200 by 3600 I get, er, hold on my Casio calculator is solar powered.

As we wait for it to charge up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdobBcZUII

( I actually own one of those bad boys!)

...

what time does sunrise happen in Sevenoaks?

200 by 3600. .. hmmm, got to be less than one.

might have an 18 in the answer. Or pi.

As I was saying, funny how they use hours and minutes when they should be be using decimal time less than the length of a marketing mans cock.

Have you noticed they limited the first test runs to 74mph? Did not want to push the 88mph barrier of course

That Donald Trump, he's got a lot to answer for.

Alcoholism

[isaldiri]

98elise said:

How much money does Tesla burn through in the average month?

Every little helps!

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

How much money does Tesla burn through in the average month?

Over $200m

[anonymous-user]

fblm said:

Over $200m

For comparison GM went through a billion usd a month cash loss and posted a $15.5 billion loss for Q2, third-worst in its history.

[boxerTen]

otolith said:

It's got a 265 mile range in normal use, and it can do 12 miles at Nurburgring lap record speed without overheating. I think it would probably cope with a B-road blast at sane speeds or lapping the kind of circuits a lot of people attend track days at - they're not going to be done at WOT anywhere near the proportion of the time the Nurburgring is. And the Tesla is going to have a 600 mile range, so...

Regardless of what track you are on the proportion of time spent at WOT won't change all that much - at most a factor of 2. A Tesla S consumes its mileage at 4 to 5 times normal rate on track - with speeds generally below 110 mph - and power limiting occurring because of battery cooling difficulties. You can imagine without those constraints an EV on track could easily cut through its range at 10 or more times normal rate.

[Jonesy23]

98elise said:

CanAm said:

98elise said:

It is absolutely not based on an Elise chassis. The new roadster is a 4 seater for a start!

From the photos I don't think this is any more a serious 4-seater than an Evora. Though if it used a modified Evora chassis, we'd probably know about it.

My point is that an Elise chassis cannot in any way accommodate 4 people. It's a bespoke 2 seat chassis which only works with Elise derived 2 seat cars.

The Evora is of course similar in layout to the Tesla roadster, however that uses the VVA chassis. VVA chassis predates the Evora and as a modular system, so even if the roadster used that, it wouldn't be an Evora chassis.

The Lotus chassis involvement was on the old Roadster.

This new one (such as it nominally exists) is apparently based on the Model S.

[anonymous-user]

And they needed a $50bn bailout from the US government last time. So what? UBS recons TSLA runs out of cash in 2018 and needs capital raise. Also has 1.4bn debt come due they need to roll. I think and hope they'll survive but the fanboy hand wave dismissal of the financial issues is naive to be polite.

[isaldiri]

The Spruce goose said:

For comparison GM went through a billion usd a month cash loss and posted a $15.5 billion loss for Q2, third-worst in its history.

Sorry what year are you in again? GM most assuredly didn't lose money in q2 2017.

[anonymous-user]

isaldiri said:

Sorry what year are you in again? GM most assuredly didn't lose money in q2 2017.

yes sorry the loss was 3 billion ,0.75 billion a month still in q3.

[isaldiri]

The Spruce goose said:

yes sorry the loss was 3 billion ,0.75 billion a month still in q3.

But that loss was primarily made up by a couple of one off charges? Their core operations were still pretty solid and very much profitable. Very different from Tesla.

[anonymous-user]

isaldiri said:

The Spruce goose said:

yes sorry the loss was 3 billion ,0.75 billion a month still in q3.

But that loss was primarily made up by a couple of one off charges? Their core operations were still pretty solid and very much profitable. Very different from Tesla.

They've also got $13bn in cash which is up on last year but again, so what? TSLA on the other hand have 3 and change, down from 5 in just August!

[babatunde]

tr3a said:

In his presentation, Elon Musk said:

"The point of doing this is to just give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars".

I'm OK with that. After 120 years of inefficient burning of dinosaur juice, it's time things moved on. I'm still a pistonhead, I love old cars for their mechanical intricacy and history. But for daily use, the internal combustion engine is fast becoming obsolete.

This is where we are, as a relevant comparison, there is no mechanical watch on earth that keeps time better thana £10 Casio, a £20 China phone, people still wear mechanical watches, doubtless some of us will still keep our ICE vehicles as playthings.

boxerTen said:

Its good it can do 600 miles non-stop, but can it be driven hard for any length of time? Let's say, 25 laps of Silverstone (about 1 hour and 90 miles) non-stop on a 'tank' with the throttle pinned to the floor at every opportunity?

Name one car that can, that's as coherent an argument as stating the a Veyron is useless because it will empty its tank in 12 minutes at top speed

otolith said:

So what do you think is going to happen to it on a B-road thrash, given that you probably won't be *averaging* anywhere near 105mph?

What would happen if you took it to a typical UK trackday (apart from being pretty sure you wouldn't get kicked off for noise)?

If you try and drive for any real distance at anything over 100mph on a B-road in the UK, you will end up in jail

As for track days, 30mins is pretty much the maximum time for sessions with enough time between sessions to recharge if you want to , as a bonus your Roadster will be by far and away the fastest car out there due to noise restrictions.

poo at Paul's said:

........... EVs are quite soulless, but capable of carrying people and stuff about, day to day A-B stuff. No harm in that. It's why I have a diesel touran and Mondeo estate for day to day! But it is also why there is a 29 year old Porsche in the garage, that I still love to just look at, never mind drive. A sporty clio will give it a hard time, but it is still an amazing thing to drive and own.

I'm sure that was one of the arguments of the horse and buggy proponents, dubbins has a soul, no mechanical contraption can replicate that bond between a horse and his rider


on the Roadster specifically forgetting other EV cars for a second
As for the, top speed is irrelevant, acceleration is irreverent, character is all crowd, I will say this hyper cars are 99% about image, which is why most of them do 500 miles a year, the roadster is a halo car and will kick the butt of any ICE out there on paper which is the main point of hyper cars.

Edited by babatunde on Sunday 19th November 09:36