RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'
Discussion
fblm said:
Given that car sharing has been around for 20 years and has had a negligible impact on car ownership, what makes you think it's going to make a difference in the foreseeable future? Uber is fine until you need to do the school run with a couple of kids.
Because it already is??And Uber works great to do the school run. My S-i-L uses it all the time in the US, despite having a car.
Ares said:
fblm said:
Given that car sharing has been around for 20 years and has had a negligible impact on car ownership, what makes you think it's going to make a difference in the foreseeable future? Uber is fine until you need to do the school run with a couple of kids.
Because it already is??And Uber works great to do the school run. My S-i-L uses it all the time in the US, despite having a car.
Looks like VW have got the message loud and clear that they've been caught asleep at the wheel by Musk. Huge investment in EV announcement 'all of a sudden.' Need a lot more than announcemnets however to regain credibility.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/mobility/volkswage...
https://global.handelsblatt.com/mobility/volkswage...
Sine Metu said:
Looks like VW have got the message loud and clear that they've been caught asleep at the wheel by Musk. Huge investment in EV announcement 'all of a sudden.' Need a lot more than announcemnets however to regain credibility.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/mobility/volkswage...
Huge alright, 90 Bilion Euro's https://global.handelsblatt.com/mobility/volkswage...
Looking at the example of Kia who stole Audi's designer, and BMW's driving dynamics chief, I think Tesla's biggest problem will be keeping hold of staff, Apple nicked some over the last few years, and the established manufacturers will also be splashing out at some point.
Ares said:
Because it already is??
And Uber works great to do the school run. My S-i-L uses it all the time in the US, despite having a car.
It works great because only a tiny number of people use it! Services like uber work by replacing base demand not peak. Secondly I assume these are kids old enough to travel without car seat and alone?And Uber works great to do the school run. My S-i-L uses it all the time in the US, despite having a car.
hyphen said:
Huge alright, 90 Bilion Euro's
Looking at the example of Kia who stole Audi's designer, and BMW's driving dynamics chief, I think Tesla's biggest problem will be keeping hold of staff, Apple nicked some over the last few years, and the established manufacturers will also be splashing out at some point.
Tesla have just sacked 700 staff who were poor performers, apparently. Looking at the example of Kia who stole Audi's designer, and BMW's driving dynamics chief, I think Tesla's biggest problem will be keeping hold of staff, Apple nicked some over the last few years, and the established manufacturers will also be splashing out at some point.
So production going to hell in a handbasket and in response sack a load of people. Probably to encourage those left behind.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Cheers,
Tony
I guess the key difference is that Ferrari show you a car with a real spec (which they stick to) and delivery of customer cars dont start 4 years into the future
I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
traxx said:
I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures...
Tony427 said:
Tesla have just sacked 700 staff who were poor performers, apparently.
So production going to hell in a handbasket and in response sack a load of people. Probably to encourage those left behind.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
The annual cull of underperformers is an American thing.So production going to hell in a handbasket and in response sack a load of people. Probably to encourage those left behind.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
hyphen said:
So this amazing and incredible game changing roadster only available initially in limited numbers...
How come it hasn't sold out? Just took a look at the site and both the founders and the normal $50k deposit one available. I would have expected a cutting edge ICE car from McLaren, Ferrari etc to have more buyers than supply. Indeed ice hypercars get sold for a million without even a prototype shown to the buyers.
The amount of publicity Tesla have got for the roadster is unreal, but still can't sell 1000?
Did you see the queue for rides at the event? All those people ordered and placed deposits. How come it hasn't sold out? Just took a look at the site and both the founders and the normal $50k deposit one available. I would have expected a cutting edge ICE car from McLaren, Ferrari etc to have more buyers than supply. Indeed ice hypercars get sold for a million without even a prototype shown to the buyers.
The amount of publicity Tesla have got for the roadster is unreal, but still can't sell 1000?
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 21st November 11:38
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 21st November 11:39
$5k on credit card.
You then decided later on to transfer 50k deposit or 250k for founders edition. Which could well have sold out, there's no way to tell.
traxx said:
I guess the key difference is that Ferrari show you a car with a real spec (which they stick to) and delivery of customer cars dont start 4 years into the future
I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
And they are realistic about what it is, which is a very low volume track toy for the super rich.I dont actually doubt the 0-60 figures but when other manufactures talk about speeds of 250mph they give long explanations of the aerodynamic issues - tbh the Tesla doesn't look that aerodynamic
But the main thing is when you go to buy are Ferrari they aren't interested in telling you how fast the car will go in a straight line its how fast you can round a corner that matters
If this car were anything other than a publicity effort then Tesla would have put up some track videos - because thats what someone buying a 250,000 sports car wants to see
I have much more time for the NIO EP9 - looks better, they took it to Nurburgring and it worked
RobDickinson said:
Have Ferrari ever remotely upgraded a cars performance?
Tesla has.
They also have a 7 seater saloon that can do 0 to 60 in 2.28 seconds.
You think a 3 motor 200kWh car will be slower?
Define upgrade.Tesla has.
They also have a 7 seater saloon that can do 0 to 60 in 2.28 seconds.
You think a 3 motor 200kWh car will be slower?
If you mean unlocked more of the already built in capacity, that's not really upgrading.
0-60 means jack s
t to how a car performs as a driving experience. If that's all you've got you haven't got much worth owning.RobDickinson said:
Man your sounding like an old fart.
Pretty sure it'll do ok outside of that.
Chris Harris wanted to hate the model s but actually rated it.
It also rode so badly him and his crew wanted to throw up. If that were an ICE car he wouldn't have been so kind.Pretty sure it'll do ok outside of that.
Chris Harris wanted to hate the model s but actually rated it.
I am an old fart (if 52 is old)
I also know quite a bit about cars and driving, i'm just looking at the car and assessing it and the bulls
t PR that surrounds these cars right now. I most certainly am not someone with an old mind, i have always enjoyed technology.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff