RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'

[Vaud]

ikarl said:

WestyCarl said:

Theoretically electric motors on each wheel of huge handling potential due to very quick torque vectoring potential. I'm not sure if Tesla have the experience to take advantage of this though.

If they don't have the experience they will 'buy' the engineers that do and put them to work on it

Exactly. Plenty of engineers would love to work at Tesla, not least because it might give them an opportunity to work on even more interesting projects that you would never get to at a traditional automotive firm.

[hyphen]

https://www.ft.com/content/f5593480-d29a-11e7-8c9a...

[traxx]

Thought this was funny - given that Bitcoin and Tesla have similar hype surrounding them

Why not use your unlimited free Tesla S electricity to mine Bitcoin and give Tesla another financial headache

https://ecomotoringnews.com/2017/11/24/bitcoin-min...

[otolith]

traxx said:

Thought this was funny - given that Bitcoin and Tesla have similar hype surrounding them

Why not use your unlimited free Tesla S electricity to mine Bitcoin and give Tesla another financial headache

https://ecomotoringnews.com/2017/11/24/bitcoin-min...

And this is why we can't have nice things.

[jjwilde]

hyphen said:

https://www.ft.com/content/f5593480-d29a-11e7-8c9a...

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

[8V085]

otolith said:

traxx said:

Thought this was funny - given that Bitcoin and Tesla have similar hype surrounding them

Why not use your unlimited free Tesla S electricity to mine Bitcoin and give Tesla another financial headache

https://ecomotoringnews.com/2017/11/24/bitcoin-min...

And this is why we can't have nice things.

True but the smell of BS is strong with this one. Tesla charge overage fees for staying too long in a stall.

[anonymous-user]

jjwilde said:

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

[8V085]

fblm said:

jjwilde said:

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

To be fair Tesla use "power banks" which store electricity which is then used to charge cars, but what a typical Tesla sheep ignores is that electricity stored in power banks still has to come from the grid, it just allows them to manage the loads better (only if the location isn't in constant use obviously).

[SidewaysSi]

98elise said:

SidewaysSi said:

RobDickinson said:

SidewaysSi said:

Forget the Turbo - what about a GT3? It's completely out of its depth and will surely get a good kicking.

The 911 GT3 is claimed to be able to accelerate from 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 3.1 seconds or less, and the quarter mile in 11.2 seconds at 126 mph (203 km/h).[30][31] The GT3 has a claimed top speed of 202 mph (325 km/h). The lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife is 7 minutes and 25 seconds.[32]

Yeah well out of its depth... Though I doubt the roadster is track focused at all, so again somewhat unfair comparison.

Of course it is put of its depth. Take acceleration put of the equation (gets dull very quickly) and what does the Tesla actually offer the keen driver? Very little IMO.

Personally I never tire of acceleration. High Speed doesn't excite me in the slightest, but sticking your foot down and getting pushed back into the seat is always fun.

What about steering, handling etc.? The stuff Tesla will not get right.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

Personally I never tire of acceleration. High Speed doesn't excite me in the slightest, but sticking your foot down and getting pushed back into the seat is always fun.

Funny, i'm the opposite, pure acceleration soon gets dull, what i find enjoyable is maximising the cars performance under braking and cornering loads and corner exit acceleration maximising available traction. It's why i competed in sprints and rallies and work with racing cars rather than on drag strips.

[98elise]

SidewaysSi said:

98elise said:

SidewaysSi said:

RobDickinson said:

SidewaysSi said:

Forget the Turbo - what about a GT3? It's completely out of its depth and will surely get a good kicking.

The 911 GT3 is claimed to be able to accelerate from 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 3.1 seconds or less, and the quarter mile in 11.2 seconds at 126 mph (203 km/h).[30][31] The GT3 has a claimed top speed of 202 mph (325 km/h). The lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife is 7 minutes and 25 seconds.[32]

Yeah well out of its depth... Though I doubt the roadster is track focused at all, so again somewhat unfair comparison.

Of course it is put of its depth. Take acceleration put of the equation (gets dull very quickly) and what does the Tesla actually offer the keen driver? Very little IMO.

Personally I never tire of acceleration. High Speed doesn't excite me in the slightest, but sticking your foot down and getting pushed back into the seat is always fun.

What about steering, handling etc.? The stuff Tesla will not get right.

Unfortunately I've not driven a roadster yet so I wouldn't know if they are going to get right. I assume you have?

One of the first drives of the model 3 by a journalist was very complementary about the handling. I will however wait until I've seen a few more more reviews before I believe it.

[98elise]

jsf said:

98elise said:

Personally I never tire of acceleration. High Speed doesn't excite me in the slightest, but sticking your foot down and getting pushed back into the seat is always fun.

Funny, i'm the opposite, pure acceleration soon gets dull, what i find enjoyable is maximising the cars performance under braking and cornering loads and corner exit acceleration maximising available traction. It's why i competed in sprints and rallies and work with racing cars rather than on drag strips.

Neither of us is right...or wrong. The main thing is you buy a car that meets your requirements.

Even though I have a Tesla on order, I would not buy the roadster. My Tesla is going to be used as a commuter car, and the acceleration is a nice feature. My weekend car will always be fun, light and ICE.

[RobDickinson]

8V085 said:

To be fair Tesla use "power banks" which store electricity which is then used to charge cars, but what a typical Tesla sheep ignores is that electricity stored in power banks still has to come from the grid, it just allows them to manage the loads better (only if the location isn't in constant use obviously).

Like literally no one has forgotten that...

[wst]

8V085 said:

fblm said:

jjwilde said:

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

To be fair Tesla use "power banks" which store electricity which is then used to charge cars, but what a typical Tesla sheep ignores is that electricity stored in power banks still has to come from the grid, it just allows them to manage the loads better (only if the location isn't in constant use obviously).

I don't know how understanding the concept of load management makes you a sheep.

[RobDickinson]

Its already used in your gas network and petrol stations are effectively local caches too.

oh and the water network works like that too.

[Tony427]

RobDickinson said:

Its already used in your gas network and petrol stations are effectively local caches too.

oh and the water network works like that too.

Yes, but no one will come and take fuel out of your car and water out of your cisterns because you're part of a National Battery/ Fuel/ Water Management Strategy that ensures that each battery/ tank/ toilet plugged into a network can smooth out all the peaks and troughs of demand as it can be remotely managed ie harvested for the greater good.

Of course energy pricing will enable those willing to pay enough to always have first dibs on that lovely leccie.

It will however be a bit inconvenient when some buggar in the next street has had it away with the juice that used to be sitting in your battery.

Cheers,

Tony

[8V085]

wst said:

8V085 said:

fblm said:

jjwilde said:

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

To be fair Tesla use "power banks" which store electricity which is then used to charge cars, but what a typical Tesla sheep ignores is that electricity stored in power banks still has to come from the grid, it just allows them to manage the loads better (only if the location isn't in constant use obviously).

I don't know how understanding the concept of load management makes you a sheep.

Very simple, most sheep understand power banks as this magical place where Elon stores electricity (love you dude!, you're my idol!, he'll save the planet!). Ignoring the fact that it only makes sense in the beginning and the wider the adoption the lower the efficiency of the power bank load balancing and if the truck superchargers are to be used in the same way as typical diesel pumps in the US - one truck leaves another ones plugs in, power banks won't do jack st and the network will have to be capable of coping with instantaneous max load all the time.

[anonymous-user]

8V085 said:

fblm said:

jjwilde said:

Tesla use their energy storage tech to handle all this, it's nothing new for them and it already works.

To be fair Tesla use "power banks" which store electricity which is then used to charge cars, but what a typical Tesla sheep ignores is that electricity stored in power banks still has to come from the grid, it just allows them to manage the loads better (only if the location isn't in constant use obviously).

Right! All storage lets you do is smooth demand. It still takes the same amount of energy (slightly more of course) to charge the same battery. But if the semi truck is a success those chargers will be in use 24/7 making storage a very costly pointless expense.

[SidewaysSi]

98elise said:

SidewaysSi said:

98elise said:

SidewaysSi said:

RobDickinson said:

SidewaysSi said:

Forget the Turbo - what about a GT3? It's completely out of its depth and will surely get a good kicking.

The 911 GT3 is claimed to be able to accelerate from 0-60 mph (97 km/h) in 3.1 seconds or less, and the quarter mile in 11.2 seconds at 126 mph (203 km/h).[30][31] The GT3 has a claimed top speed of 202 mph (325 km/h). The lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife is 7 minutes and 25 seconds.[32]

Yeah well out of its depth... Though I doubt the roadster is track focused at all, so again somewhat unfair comparison.

Of course it is put of its depth. Take acceleration put of the equation (gets dull very quickly) and what does the Tesla actually offer the keen driver? Very little IMO.

Personally I never tire of acceleration. High Speed doesn't excite me in the slightest, but sticking your foot down and getting pushed back into the seat is always fun.

What about steering, handling etc.? The stuff Tesla will not get right.

Unfortunately I've not driven a roadster yet so I wouldn't know if they are going to get right. I assume you have?

One of the first drives of the model 3 by a journalist was very complementary about the handling. I will however wait until I've seen a few more more reviews before I believe it.

Yes I have driven one and it is crap.

[RobDickinson]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/...

" The car’s low battery location, fast steering, and firm springing give it a go-kart quality, and it quickly points to the right with a fraction of the expected body roll. On most laps it relaxes into a mild understeer, 0.87g cornering stance."

"After thinking about it, perhaps just the Porsche Cayman and Boxster and the Honda Civic Type R that were on hand today drive this precisely."