RE: Tesla Roadster: 'Quickest car in the world'

[Vaud]

suffolk009 said:

The idea that google or apple will swoop in and buy them is just fanciful. I think it was apple who spent a small part of their vast fortune on R&D for driverless/electric cars before abandoning the idea and deciding to just concentrate on the tech involved.

I said "buy in", not "buy". i.e. take a stake in return for a %

[suffolk009]

Vaud said:

suffolk009 said:

The idea that google or apple will swoop in and buy them is just fanciful. I think it was apple who spent a small part of their vast fortune on R&D for driverless/electric cars before abandoning the idea and deciding to just concentrate on the tech involved.

I said "buy in", not "buy". i.e. take a stake in return for a %

I see your point, but for any company to be able to justify "buying in" to Tesla, their stock market value would have to take a nose dive - losing, I dunnow, 90-95% of it's value. And before reaching that point the company would have collapsed like a house of cards.

[Ares]

suffolk009 said:

Ares said:

suffolk009 said:

^^^ I'd happily consider buying one, it would be great as a daily drive. But, oh, wait, I can't because he has a back-log of half a million deposits and has built 220 actual cars.

220 was Q3. 345 were built in November. Still a long way from the 5,000 target, but this time next year it'll be an irrelevance.

Are you saying that their target production is 5000 Model 3s a month? Even if/when they do achieve that they'll only be building 60000 cars a year. Assuming they don't take any more deposits they'll be making them for nearly ten years just to fulfil current orders.

I seriously question whether Tesla have the ability within the company to become the volume manufacturer that the world wants it to be.

The idea that google or apple will swoop in and buy them is just fanciful. I think it was apple who spent a small part of their vast fortune on R&D for driverless/electric cars before abandoning the idea and deciding to just concentrate on the tech involved.

Sorry, 5,000 per week, and thats the target for H1 2018.

And the world may want Tesla to be a volume manufacturer, but Tesla don't see themselves as such!

[hondansx]

GravelBen said:

RobDickinson said:

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/...

" The car’s low battery location, fast steering, and firm springing give it a go-kart quality, and it quickly points to the right with a fraction of the expected body roll. On most laps it relaxes into a mild understeer, 0.87g cornering stance."

"After thinking about it, perhaps just the Porsche Cayman and Boxster and the Honda Civic Type R that were on hand today drive this precisely."

You left out "This is a very digital car to drive", which is the closest that article seems to get to commenting on feel.

It would be more interesting to hear about the subjective feel and handling on real roads than it having stiff suspension doing a figure 8 around some cones on smooth tarmac.

Exactly. If I didn't know any better, I'd suggest Rob isn't aware of the difference between grip and handling.

[otolith]

hondansx said:

GravelBen said:

RobDickinson said:

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/...

" The car’s low battery location, fast steering, and firm springing give it a go-kart quality, and it quickly points to the right with a fraction of the expected body roll. On most laps it relaxes into a mild understeer, 0.87g cornering stance."

"After thinking about it, perhaps just the Porsche Cayman and Boxster and the Honda Civic Type R that were on hand today drive this precisely."

You left out "This is a very digital car to drive", which is the closest that article seems to get to commenting on feel.

It would be more interesting to hear about the subjective feel and handling on real roads than it having stiff suspension doing a figure 8 around some cones on smooth tarmac.

Exactly. If I didn't know any better, I'd suggest Rob isn't aware of the difference between grip and handling.

I'd say that this description was more about subjective traits of handling than objective measures of grip;

The car’s low battery location, fast steering, and firm springing give it a go-kart quality, and it quickly points to the right with a fraction of the expected body roll. On most laps it relaxes into a mild understeer, 0.87g cornering stance. But a few times I chuck it in and use its 3,902 pounds to rotate into brief drifts. Its lap is a crisp 25.7 seconds.

This is a very digital car to drive: Brake, dial in one single steering angle, wait for the corner to end, and tidily accelerate. Most sedans are a conga line of steering corrections and throttle stabs. After thinking about it, perhaps just the Porsche Cayman and Boxster and the Honda Civic Type R that were on hand today drive this precisely

[RobDickinson]

hondansx said:

Exactly. If I didn't know any better, I'd suggest Rob isn't aware of the difference between grip and handling.

I'd love to know how you got to that when all I did there was quote motortrend.

[wst]

I'm betting it's a kneejerk reaction to all of the people who mention cornering acceleration like it's a meaningful measure of how a car handles, nothing more sinister.

[Mr2Mike]

No one is making themselves look like such a dick on social media either. What a guy!

[Burwood]

woollyjoe said:

reagrdless your thoughts on the cars, company or Musk, no one is motivating the whole industry to change as much as Tesla, in such an incredibly short period of time.

Sure, and the Germans will say, thanks for the idea/inspiration and they roll over Tesla

[Baldchap]

Mr2Mike said:

No one is making themselves look like such a dick on social media either. What a guy!

Surely Trump is worse!!!

[Cold]

woollyjoe said:

reagrdless your thoughts on the cars, company or Musk, no one is motivating the whole industry to change as much as Tesla, in such an incredibly short period of time.

Well, no one except government legislation.

[unsprung]

woollyjoe said:

reagrdless your thoughts on the cars, company or Musk, no one is motivating the whole industry to change as much as Tesla, in such an incredibly short period of time.

+1

Burwood said:

Sure, and the Germans will say, thanks for the idea/inspiration and they roll over Tesla

at the beginning, 15 years ago, Musk declared that Tesla was created to do what traditional OEMs had failed to pursue: the onset of mainstream BEVs

and Musk further stated that he's happy for Tesla vehicles to fall by the wayside after the tipping point had truly passed

Cold said:

Well, no one except government legislation.

"Search all the parks in all your cities. You’ll find no statues of committees." -- David Ogilvy

[ooid]

Burwood said:

Sure, and the Germans will say, thanks for the idea/inspiration and they roll over Tesla

Worse than that, his Tesla cofounder (really important, engineer-scientist chap), Martin Eberhard firstly moved on to VW and now he is in a massive-chinese backed company that produce and develop electric cars. They started buying GM facilities and growing.

He had a law-suit against Musk for a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Motors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Eberhard

Oh and he already is bhing about it!

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/29/17176038/sf-mot...

Edited by ooid on Thursday 6th September 13:08

[BlackLabel]

Tesla to offer the Roadster with a SpaceX package.

https://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-roadster-have-10-spa...

Also I see Tesla are still standing by their claim of a 620 miles range for this car - how is this even possible?

[ChocolateFrog]

BlackLabel said:

Tesla to offer the Roadster with a SpaceX package.

https://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-roadster-have-10-spa...

Also I see Tesla are still standing by their claim of a 620 miles range for this car - how is this even possible?

With a 200kwh battery, or close to.

[RobDickinson]

It's pretty aero, 200kwh, model s goes 370 miles on half that.

SpaceX package is just some fun, they already have the hardware.

[Tony427]

I presume that Tesla has already gained type approval, not to mention making sure rocket engines pass the Construction and Use regulations in the UK, for its cold air thruster package in all its target markets in the world.

Of course they have.

Because if they haven't Tesla is just talking bks again.

Look, Squirrel.

Cheers,

Tony

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Earnings next week... if you watch the stock you don't need to remember earnings dates, they are always a few days after the extraordinary 'ooh look at this shiny thing' announcements.

[RobDickinson]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No you couldn't probably, probably too noisy for tracks too who knows.

Not like most hypercars are even driven.

[hyphen]

fblm said:

Earnings next week... if you watch the stock you don't need to remember earnings dates, they are always a few days after the extraordinary 'ooh look at this shiny thing' announcements.

Indeed!