RE: Jaguar E-Pace P300: Driven

[samoht]

"embed itself in your conscientiousness as an honest to goodness Jaguar"

I think that was meant to be 'consciousness' ;-) Although one could argue that more conscientious stewards of the Jaguar brand wouldn't have sullied it with this reheated Land Rover.

[Wadeski]

PH hates it....it'll sell like hot cakes. To people who actually buy brand new cars.

Its very odd that we think car companies should listen to us, whilst spending half our time saying how we are too smart to ever buy a car brand new. Finance, eww! Depreciation, ugh! I'm off to the classifieds to look at 10 year old V8 barges for $5k.

[Turkish91]

Wadeski said:

PH hates it....it'll sell like hot cakes. To people who actually buy brand new cars.

Its very odd that we think car companies should listen to us, whilst spending half our time saying how we are too smart to ever buy a car brand new. Finance, eww! Depreciation, ugh! I'm off to the classifieds to look at 10 year old V8 barges for $5k.

Nail on the head

[Moley RUFC]

I had an option to hold on for one of these when choosing my Alfa Guilia. Although very different cars I'm so glad I went Italian

[Turn7]

"Performance " and "suv" are surely words that do not go together ?

Oxymoron at best, willy waving at worst.....

[kambites]

Wadeski said:

PH hates it....it'll sell like hot cakes. To people who actually buy brand new cars

I'm not convinced the 300bhp petrol version will.

[anonymous-user]

PH said:

For all Gaydon's undoubted talent in juggling mass (and there is arguably no-one better)

Not a very good argument tbh, i'd put at least 10 other OEMs well above JLR when rated on a mass to spec ratio!

[kambites]

Max_Torque said:

PH said:

For all Gaydon's undoubted talent in juggling mass (and there is arguably no-one better)

Not a very good argument tbh, i'd put at least 10 other OEMs well above JLR when rated on a mass to spec ratio!

I took that to mean they're good at compensating for the fact that they produce overweight cars, not that they're good at producing light cars.

[Wadeski]

kambites said:

Wadeski said:

PH hates it....it'll sell like hot cakes. To people who actually buy brand new cars

I'm not convinced the 300bhp petrol version will.

Agreed.

[anonymous-user]

From the same company that brought us the most beautiful SUV in production, brings us this absolute minger

[LateStarter]

Crap, I really wanted this to be a reasonable drive as wanted to get something like this as the compromise car for wife and I to share as the f pace is larger then she wants.

Will take one for a drive anyway to see if the review is really being unreasonable and comparing this to a sports car or if it is genuinely disappointing against direct rivals.

[leglessAlex]

Why are Jaguar cars so heavy a lot of the time? I think the exception to this are their big cars such as the XJ and F-Pace, but the F-Type, previous gen XF and even the XE are not light cars at all.

I think the F-Type is the one that really gets me, Porsche and Ferrari (seemingly) have no issues making a reasonably light car from aluminium, why is Jags attempt so heavy?

[Mr Tidy]

ash73 said:

Why has PH only reviewed this, and not the excellent Volvo XC40?

Thank you PH.

Why review any of these miserable mingers? Or is there some competition with "mumsnet"?

[Mr Tidy]

Good luck OP! :;thumbup!

[paralla]

Is this Fords old EUCD platform? Does budget brand Ford even use this anymore?

Must try harder.

[Burwood]

leglessAlex said:

Why are Jaguar cars so heavy a lot of the time? I think the exception to this are their big cars such as the XJ and F-Pace, but the F-Type, previous gen XF and even the XE are not light cars at all.

I think the F-Type is the one that really gets me, Porsche and Ferrari (seemingly) have no issues making a reasonably light car from aluminium, why is Jags attempt so heavy?

I have a theory on that. Jag use old school heavy components rather than spend money on new light weight materials. They are behind on almost every facet and I would never trust them with a battery for an EV car.

If anyone has noticed, the evoke is now last in the list if desirable, small suvs.

[Ed Straker]

ExPat2B said:

Anyone wanting anything actually sporty won't go anywhere near a mini SUV.

Really?
Why wouldn't I want a quick, AWD car that can commute 500 miles a week in all weather, swallow the kids and all their gear at the weekend and still manage to put anything short of a Caterham in it's box on any B or fast A road if I'm in the mood on a Sunday morning?

In short, if a small SUV fits my lifestyle, why WOULDN'T I want a fast one?
This Jag fails, but the GLA45 and Macan nail it.

[thelawnet1]

dazwalsh said:

50 grand?!?! st the bed

not really
base car is manual fwd diesel 2.0 150ps and priced at £28,500

'S' spec is +£4,100 and adds 18" wheels (£930), DRL (£205) auto-dimmming heated wing mirrors (£410), auto dimming rear mirror (£130), electric leather seats (£1735), smartphone connectivity (£205), traffic sign recognition/speed limiting (£615), wifi hotspot (£360), side parking sensors, etc. (£565)
'SE' spec is £2,750 on top of S and adds to that 19" wheels (+£620), Auto-high beam assist (+£155), powered boot (£410), upgraded sound (£615), adaptive cruise (£765)
'HSE' spec is £2,800 more than that and adds 20" wheels (+£930), interactive driver display (£510), perforated leather (+£2515), keyless entry (£510), gesture tailgate (+£205)

R Dynamic is bling and costs a flat £2,250 on top of any of the above

There's also a 'First Edition', which is essentially an R Dynamic HSE with different wheels and paint, panoramic roof (£970), extra bling, and some off-road software stuff (£1045). At the cost of £3k on top of HSE R Dynamic.

Then engine/gearbox/awd upgrades

awd is +£1,540
awd 180ps is +£2,290
auto awd 150ps is +£3,100
auto awd 180ps is +£4,050
auto awd petrol 250ps is +£6,660 (but not in base spec)
auto awd diesel 240ps is +£8,250 (but not in base spec)
auto awd petrol 300ps +£10,280 (but not in base or 'S' spec)

[Davo456gt]

Is an Alfa Stelvio 280PS Petrol a better bet ?
bet its a lot more fun to drive

[Truckosaurus]

ExPat2B said:

...Look at how popular Jeep/ Fiat 500L effort is, that is a very similar size and weight. I had one as a hire car and it's woeful, slow, poor handling and riding, and to top it off its tiny inside. No redeeming features beyond looking funky and high driving position....

I too had a Jeep Renegade as a rental car (seems a strange choice for Enterprise to stock (it was the top of the range 4x4 model), so perhaps they aren't selling as well as expected) and would broadly agree with your assessment. But for most people (even myself) needing a car to just potter around town "looking funky and high driving position" is all they want and need from a car.