Methods of a car thief - unmasked
Discussion
J4CKO said:
classicyanktanks said:
J4CKO said:
Anyone got a guide on securing your home ?
Get two massive hungry rottweilers. They might get in but they're not getting out alive / without loosing some limbs.Was thinking more electronic and physical stuff, things that dont need two cans of dog food, a three mile walk twice a day and £50 insurance each a month !
70proof said:
unfortunately car theft is once again on the rise.... i've been the victim myself recently....
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
http://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/2017/03/09/keyless...
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
70 Proof one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
http://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/2017/03/09/keyless...
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 19:32
Not sure if anyone else has asked but what actually happended to you ?
lexi 1 said:
70 Proof
Not sure if anyone else has asked but what actually happended to you ?
had a golf r stolen from street outside my house, was not a relay steal as car was not keyless, still not sure how they did it, though i'm convinced it was a prospective buyer off autotrader. admiral settled at a good price within a week, just glad they didnt break in for the keys.Not sure if anyone else has asked but what actually happended to you ?
like the look of this over a ghost device...
http://www.clifford.co.uk/ProductPages/Accessories...
for various reasons now have a ds4 as a daily and it does the job tbh.
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 21st January 20:19
70proof said:
had a golf r stolen from street outside my house, was not a relay steal as car was not keyless, still not sure how they did it, though i'm convinced it was a prospective buyer off autotrader. admiral settled at a good price within a week, just glad they didnt break in for the keys.
like the look of this over a ghost device...
http://www.clifford.co.uk/ProductPages/Accessories...
for various reasons now have a ds4 as a daily and it does the job tbh.
Do you know how far the key needs to be from the car before the 'signal boost' becomes 'too far'?like the look of this over a ghost device...
http://www.clifford.co.uk/ProductPages/Accessories...
for various reasons now have a ds4 as a daily and it does the job tbh.
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 21st January 20:19
johnwilliams77 said:
Do you know how far the key needs to be from the car before the 'signal boost' becomes 'too far'?
up to 100m!! https://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing...... the relay thing i suppose will be dependant on the receiving and sending range of the ariel the scrotes use....
trick here i assume is to park on street away from your house, then they defo will not be able to relay compared to say a car on the drive... maybe insurers will actually reverse old risk trends and make on street parking cheaper wrt to premium risk
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 21st January 21:20
thesmurfs said:
70proof said:
https://www.facebook.com/SikhYouthBirmingham/video...
not the norf, in London last week
It's an emerging trend, sad reflection on society today
Why isn't this reported on the news?not the norf, in London last week
It's an emerging trend, sad reflection on society today
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 21st January 11:32
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/astonishing-...
Clearly it didn't justify hitting the National press
Brummmie said:
.....we are like fecking meer Cats!
You've totally hit the nail on the head there. I don't give a crap about statistics, the situation on the ground is far worse. On a daily basis now I hear of car thefts, houses broken into, tools from vans, sheds. the list just goes on and on. The Police are impotent and the crims know it. Like you there are FB groups and Neighbourhood Watch emails going out daily.Edited by L0gan5 on Monday 22 January 08:24
L0gan5 said:
Brummmie said:
.....we are like fecking meer Cats!
You've totally hit the nail on the head there. I don't give a crap about statistics, the situation on the ground is far worse. On a daily basis now I hear of car thefts, houses broken into, tools from vans, sheds. the list just goes on and on. The Police are impotent and the crims know it. Like you there are FB groups and Neighbourhood Watch emails going out daily.I suspect you're subject to two things here:-
- Confirmation bias - you expect it to be so, so you go actively looking for evidence it is;
- Social media generation - everything is out there broadcast immediately for people to see. 10/20 years ago it wasn't that way - things happened but weren't heard about so widely / so quickly. Makes every problem seem worse (and also the reverse - everyone else has 'better lives')
...possibly compounded by where you live, as this DOES seem to be a regional issue - W.Mids is suffering badly but the surrounding shires aren't anywhere near as much. And the same up north and around London.
Not saying it doesn't need fixing - it clearly does*. But it's not a national pandemic. And it's been this way before, too - I'm old enough to remember the bad old days of the late-80s/early-90s when anything quick was a magnet for thieves and hit the national press.
* Write to your MP (if you just sit and hand-wring on facebook and car forums then you're not helping) and local councillor, expressing your extreme concern about the prevalence of all these thefts, the increasing stories of violence and/or weapons being carried, and (a) asking what can be done to increase police resources; and (b) what element of local taxation is ring-fenced for such activity, and can it be increased.
Not associated with the business at all, just wanted to say that this Faraday-cage key pouch is well-made, blocks signals really well, is well-designed for daily use (other keys hang outside pouch, on a separate ring) and I recommend it to anyone worried about Relay attacks.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Keyless-Blocking-Protect-...
My second key has the battery removed (well, blocked by a pull-out tab).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Keyless-Blocking-Protect-...
My second key has the battery removed (well, blocked by a pull-out tab).
EGTE said:
Not associated with the business at all, just wanted to say that this Faraday-cage key pouch is well-made, blocks signals really well, is well-designed for daily use (other keys hang outside pouch, on a separate ring) and I recommend it to anyone worried about Relay attacks.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Keyless-Blocking-Protect-...
My second key has the battery removed (well, blocked by a pull-out tab).
Tin foil does the same for a fraction of the cost.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Keyless-Blocking-Protect-...
My second key has the battery removed (well, blocked by a pull-out tab).
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