RE: Seat Leon Cupra R: Driven

RE: Seat Leon Cupra R: Driven

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Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Give me this over a Golf R any day of the week! It’s a more focused car, feels bit more special etc etc..

Infact skip that, give me the older Sub8 with all the bells and whistles and I’ll be a very happy man.

HumanDoing

540 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Mike1990 said:
Give me this over a Golf R any day of the week! It’s a more focused car, feels bit more special etc etc..

Infact skip that, give me the older Sub8 with all the bells and whistles and I’ll be a very happy man.
Well said 1990. The new King of hot hatches, at least until the Megane RS comes out (which I'll be putting a deposit down on the day it comes out).

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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HumanDoing said:
Well said 1990. The new King of hot hatches, at least until the Megane RS comes out (which I'll be putting a deposit down on the day it comes out).
You might not like the way it drives though ? I thought you were new car depreciation avert ?

HumanDoing

540 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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nickfrog said:
You might not like the way it drives though ? I thought you were new car depreciation avert ?
By doing what I've done for the past few years I've saved up enough to be able to purchase the Megane RS and own the new king of hot hatches, at least until the new one comes out. Unlike some I won't get hostile when a new king is appointed that I don't own. Plus I'll be keeping it 10 years so by my reckoning the finance does make sense. Plus ultimately it's my choice.

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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HumanDoing said:
nickfrog said:
You might not like the way it drives though ? I thought you were new car depreciation avert ?
By doing what I've done for the past few years I've saved up enough to be able to purchase the Megane RS and own the new king of hot hatches, at least until the new one comes out. Unlike some I won't get hostile when a new king is appointed that I don't own. Plus I'll be keeping it 10 years so by my reckoning the finance does make sense. Plus ultimately it's my choice.
It's brilliant that you can see that different people make different choices. How do you recognise that a hatch is the new King ? Is there a set of universally agreed parameters or can those vary from one person to another depending on individual choice ?
How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?

M1C

1,833 posts

111 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Back in 2012-ish (previous 265PS model to this) i worked for a group with a SEAT franchise. Times were very quiet and with additional staff discounts... i could have had a brand new Cupra R for approx £17k......but i bottled it.

Bah.

Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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HumanDoing said:
Well said 1990. The new King of hot hatches, at least until the Megane RS comes out (which I'll be putting a deposit down on the day it comes out).
I honesty can't wait for a massive Hot Hatch group test. This Cupra R on the optional Cup 2's, i30 N, Megane R.S, 308 GTi 270, Type-R, Clubsport/S and chuck the RS in aswell for good measure. They're about the most focused ones i can think off ?

Don't think it's been as tightly packed as this in a long long while.

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Mike1990 said:
Don't think it's been as tightly packed as this in a long long while.
Agreed, there is something for everyone !

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Nanook said:
You sure about that? Consider your traction circle for a front wheel on the 4WD Golf, and the front wheel on the FWD Leon.

All other things being equal (power applied, speed, steering angle) the front wheel on which car is going to run out of grip first?
Good point. The answer is "it depends" IME. If you're off the throttle when you turn in then the lighter car will run out of outside front wheel friction after the heavier 4wd car (because of the effect of the higher centrifugal/centripetal forces exerted, assuming it's set up to understeer like 99% of road cars).

If you're on the throttle before the point where you start unwinding the lock then the FWD car will probably lose friction first (assuming you haven't taken any mitigating measures like trail braking), but that's because you're relying on traction rather than lateral grip.

So yes the traction circle is only showing us the total amount of friction (lat grip + longitudinal adhesion) so taking something away from one does indirectly favour the other.

If at the apex all of the friction is used up by lat grip, then it doesn't matter how many wheels are driven as there is nothing left on the table for traction, hence the fallacy of thinking you can use all the power all of the time. All you're actually doing is turning in slower than the outright max apex speed so that you can use more traction by freeing up friction to the detriment of lat grip, which is a great strategy too btw.


Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 29th November 16:20

rainmakerraw

1,222 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?

TheFCAareComing

42 posts

119 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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EA888

HumanDoing

540 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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nickfrog said:
It's brilliant that you can see that different people make different choices. How do you recognise that a hatch is the new King ? Is there a set of universally agreed parameters or can those vary from one person to another depending on individual choice ?
How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
Well for now I'm having to go on Car Throttle hype, admittedly. But I'm confident it'll be the new king. I'm as entitled to my opinion as the next person.

nickfrog

21,160 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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HumanDoing said:
nickfrog said:
It's brilliant that you can see that different people make different choices. How do you recognise that a hatch is the new King ? Is there a set of universally agreed parameters or can those vary from one person to another depending on individual choice ?
How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
Well for now I'm having to go on Car Throttle hype, admittedly. But I'm confident it'll be the new king. I'm as entitled to my opinion as the next person.
No one said the opposite although without any rationale or experience behind it, an opinion is not exactly worth much, particularly for such a subjective matter.

rainmakerraw

1,222 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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TheFCAareComing said:
EA888
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If that was in reply to me, the Superbs have EA888 gen3 engines also.

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

166 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Glasgowrob said:


oh dear Seat,

you got it spot on the first time,

loved our old one, aggressive mapping with a straight through 3" exhaust and some induction modifications. some choice suspension tweaks and It was perfect.

might just run off to the classifieds and see what I can find
Spot on...after you changed the mapping, exhaust, induction and suspension.

ahenners

597 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
Really?! I guess 0-60 isn't really a great start for high power FWDs but surprised about that; the Superb is quite a bit bigger.

Appealling car that Superb - obviously less focused than this Cupra "R" but more well rounded for daily life. Speaking of which, any updates on the Black PH fleet one....?

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

214 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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I wouldn't get so hung up on the list price.. From what I've seen over the last few years new and approved used Seats are a bit of a bargain at the moment. Plenty of discounts out there if you shop around (particularly unsold, 1 year old pre reg cars).

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 30th November 06:25

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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How did they add to the track in front? New lower arms I hope? Because if they just reduced the wheels et value, this thing will torque steer significantly more on less than perfect surfaces...

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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ahenners said:
rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
Really?! I guess 0-60 isn't really a great start for high power FWDs but surprised about that; the Superb is quite a bit bigger.

Appealling car that Superb - obviously less focused than this Cupra "R" but more well rounded for daily life. Speaking of which, any updates on the Black PH fleet one....?
May I suggest the Leon ST (estate) Cupra? Available both as FWD manual or as 4wd auto box. Best of both?

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Thursday 30th November 2017
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rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
AWD and DSG gearbox, versus FWD and manual box. I'd say the Cupra does well to only be a tenth down to 60mph. Once the Cupra can put its power down it will start to pull away. Throw a few corners in to the mix and the Superb wouldn't stand a chance.

But then you wouldn't expect it to, it's a very different type of car.