RE: Seat Leon Cupra R: Driven
Discussion
Mike1990 said:
Give me this over a Golf R any day of the week! It’s a more focused car, feels bit more special etc etc..
Infact skip that, give me the older Sub8 with all the bells and whistles and I’ll be a very happy man.
Well said 1990. The new King of hot hatches, at least until the Megane RS comes out (which I'll be putting a deposit down on the day it comes out). Infact skip that, give me the older Sub8 with all the bells and whistles and I’ll be a very happy man.
nickfrog said:
You might not like the way it drives though ? I thought you were new car depreciation avert ?
By doing what I've done for the past few years I've saved up enough to be able to purchase the Megane RS and own the new king of hot hatches, at least until the new one comes out. Unlike some I won't get hostile when a new king is appointed that I don't own. Plus I'll be keeping it 10 years so by my reckoning the finance does make sense. Plus ultimately it's my choice. HumanDoing said:
nickfrog said:
You might not like the way it drives though ? I thought you were new car depreciation avert ?
By doing what I've done for the past few years I've saved up enough to be able to purchase the Megane RS and own the new king of hot hatches, at least until the new one comes out. Unlike some I won't get hostile when a new king is appointed that I don't own. Plus I'll be keeping it 10 years so by my reckoning the finance does make sense. Plus ultimately it's my choice. How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
HumanDoing said:
Well said 1990. The new King of hot hatches, at least until the Megane RS comes out (which I'll be putting a deposit down on the day it comes out).
I honesty can't wait for a massive Hot Hatch group test. This Cupra R on the optional Cup 2's, i30 N, Megane R.S, 308 GTi 270, Type-R, Clubsport/S and chuck the RS in aswell for good measure. They're about the most focused ones i can think off ? Don't think it's been as tightly packed as this in a long long while.
Nanook said:
You sure about that? Consider your traction circle for a front wheel on the 4WD Golf, and the front wheel on the FWD Leon.
All other things being equal (power applied, speed, steering angle) the front wheel on which car is going to run out of grip first?
Good point. The answer is "it depends" IME. If you're off the throttle when you turn in then the lighter car will run out of outside front wheel friction after the heavier 4wd car (because of the effect of the higher centrifugal/centripetal forces exerted, assuming it's set up to understeer like 99% of road cars).All other things being equal (power applied, speed, steering angle) the front wheel on which car is going to run out of grip first?
If you're on the throttle before the point where you start unwinding the lock then the FWD car will probably lose friction first (assuming you haven't taken any mitigating measures like trail braking), but that's because you're relying on traction rather than lateral grip.
So yes the traction circle is only showing us the total amount of friction (lat grip + longitudinal adhesion) so taking something away from one does indirectly favour the other.
If at the apex all of the friction is used up by lat grip, then it doesn't matter how many wheels are driven as there is nothing left on the table for traction, hence the fallacy of thinking you can use all the power all of the time. All you're actually doing is turning in slower than the outright max apex speed so that you can use more traction by freeing up friction to the detriment of lat grip, which is a great strategy too btw.
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 29th November 16:20
nickfrog said:
It's brilliant that you can see that different people make different choices. How do you recognise that a hatch is the new King ? Is there a set of universally agreed parameters or can those vary from one person to another depending on individual choice ?
How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
Well for now I'm having to go on Car Throttle hype, admittedly. But I'm confident it'll be the new king. I'm as entitled to my opinion as the next person. How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
HumanDoing said:
nickfrog said:
It's brilliant that you can see that different people make different choices. How do you recognise that a hatch is the new King ? Is there a set of universally agreed parameters or can those vary from one person to another depending on individual choice ?
How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
Well for now I'm having to go on Car Throttle hype, admittedly. But I'm confident it'll be the new king. I'm as entitled to my opinion as the next person. How do you know it's the new king if you haven't driven it nor anyone else has for that matter ?
Glasgowrob said:
oh dear Seat,
you got it spot on the first time,
loved our old one, aggressive mapping with a straight through 3" exhaust and some induction modifications. some choice suspension tweaks and It was perfect.
might just run off to the classifieds and see what I can find
rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
Really?! I guess 0-60 isn't really a great start for high power FWDs but surprised about that; the Superb is quite a bit bigger.Appealling car that Superb - obviously less focused than this Cupra "R" but more well rounded for daily life. Speaking of which, any updates on the Black PH fleet one....?
I wouldn't get so hung up on the list price.. From what I've seen over the last few years new and approved used Seats are a bit of a bargain at the moment. Plenty of discounts out there if you shop around (particularly unsold, 1 year old pre reg cars).
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 30th November 06:25
ahenners said:
rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
Really?! I guess 0-60 isn't really a great start for high power FWDs but surprised about that; the Superb is quite a bit bigger.Appealling car that Superb - obviously less focused than this Cupra "R" but more well rounded for daily life. Speaking of which, any updates on the Black PH fleet one....?
rainmakerraw said:
The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 280ps DSG AWD is a tenth faster than this, with 30hp less and 100KG more weight. That can't be right, even with AWD, surely?
AWD and DSG gearbox, versus FWD and manual box. I'd say the Cupra does well to only be a tenth down to 60mph. Once the Cupra can put its power down it will start to pull away. Throw a few corners in to the mix and the Superb wouldn't stand a chance.But then you wouldn't expect it to, it's a very different type of car.
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