RE: Porsche 718 Cayman/Boxster GTS: Driven

RE: Porsche 718 Cayman/Boxster GTS: Driven

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givablondabone

5,504 posts

155 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Objectively these are of course very, very good cars but for my 60k (if I had it) I get myself a nearly new CTR and a very nice used 6 cyl Cayman 3.4S

Just me.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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anonymous said:
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Believe it or not... They couldn't without spoiling it.

If you think building a new engine with turbocharging and going through all the OEM validation required is the "easy" option, think again!

If it was possible to tune the V8 down to those levels without spoiling the power delivery and figures they would've done it.

je777

341 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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How do the Cayman and Boxster manage to weigh the same?
Every other convertible weighs much more than the coupe it's based on.

Nose looks a bit Speciale-like (not a good thing in my book).

je777

341 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Fashion's a ridiculous thing.
20" wheels on cars like this look absurdly out of proportion.

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Take engine out but battery pack in and put a flat 6 sound bar in job done

givablondabone

5,504 posts

155 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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je777 said:
How do the Cayman and Boxster manage to weigh the same?
Every other convertible weighs much more than the coupe it's based on.

Nose looks a bit Speciale-like (not a good thing in my book).
I would imagine it's to do with the fact that the Boxster (someone will correct me if wrong) is designed around a tub, so doesn't need the extra strengthening required when you lop the roof off a coupe. With the Boxster it's kinda the other way round. Design convertible then add a roof to make a coupe.

Apologies if this is wrong.

Harry_mac

354 posts

99 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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redroadster said:
Take engine out but battery pack in and put a flat 6 sound bar in job done
That'll be the 719 or whatever then laugh

je777

341 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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givablondabone said:
je777 said:
How do the Cayman and Boxster manage to weigh the same?
Every other convertible weighs much more than the coupe it's based on.

Nose looks a bit Speciale-like (not a good thing in my book).
I would imagine it's to do with the fact that the Boxster (someone will correct me if wrong) is designed around a tub, so doesn't need the extra strengthening required when you lop the roof off a coupe. With the Boxster it's kinda the other way round. Design convertible then add a roof to make a coupe.

Apologies if this is wrong.
I see what you mean - thanks very much.

suffolk009

5,393 posts

165 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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The emissions numbers for all these modern turbo cars are just unobtainable in the real world. It's likely that in a few years time the Governments will wake up and realize that once again they have made a mistake.

Turbos will be the new diesel. Then it'll be size/weight. Maybe size first, then Turbos.

je777

341 posts

104 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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suffolk009 said:
The emissions numbers for all these modern turbo cars are just unobtainable in the real world. It's likely that in a few years time the Governments will wake up and realize that once again they have made a mistake.

Turbos will be the new diesel. Then it'll be size/weight. Maybe size first, then Turbos.
Yup.
I learned that diesel was filthy in early-90s school chemistry and have been banging that drum for years.
The governments don't want to improve matters; they want to be *seen* to be improving matters (as with all things).

Bendrix

17 posts

103 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Mac Sinclair said:
QED the 4 cylinder Porsche is a crime against, engineering, motoring and god, whoever she maybe.
Calm down. Nobody is forcing you to buy one.

suffolk009

5,393 posts

165 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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je777 said:
suffolk009 said:
The emissions numbers for all these modern turbo cars are just unobtainable in the real world. It's likely that in a few years time the Governments will wake up and realize that once again they have made a mistake.

Turbos will be the new diesel. Then it'll be size/weight. Maybe size first, then Turbos.
Yup.
I learned that diesel was filthy in early-90s school chemistry and have been banging that drum for years.
The governments don't want to improve matters; they want to be *seen* to be improving matters (as with all things).
I'm happy to say that I have never owned a diesel. And the only turbos I've ever owned Subaru Imprezas.

Simon Owen

805 posts

134 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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je777 said:
Fashion's a ridiculous thing.
20" wheels on cars like this look absurdly out of proportion.
Agreed !!! I was starting to think it was only me that thought this. Trouble is so many cars are now designed around these bling wheels that putting something more sensible on (if they will fit ?!?) looks odd too :-(

Imagine how a new one would feel on the road on a set up properly designed for say 18" and with a bit of depth to the profile ?

The new Type R is the same.


Rocket.

1,514 posts

249 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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No real interest in the car sadly because of the engine, I do wonder if the next gen will go back to F6 ? After all they did give GT3s a manual box after the outcry so they do listen (a bit).

Anyway on another note I'd love to go back to Ascari, what a playground that place is.

DamnKraut

458 posts

99 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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Would be interesting to have info on the spec as driven/ tested in such articles. Don't they normally put a spec sheet in the press cars on such test events?

I am pretty sure the cars driven were easily in the 75-85k range.

The Surveyor

7,576 posts

237 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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How does the new Cayman compare to the 6 cylinder one in weight terms?

I thought part of the push for smaller turbo engines is to reduce weight (flat 4 with turbos should be lighter than a flat 6) which helps with the fuel economy as well as performance, all helping the 718 handle better than the old ones. Is that the case?

LateStarter

67 posts

78 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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anonymous said:
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Depends if you like torque or HP.
Personally I love the instant punch and usability of torque which is why i love modern turbos or big v8s.
I used to love the high revving smaller engines but are just so unusable on our overcrowded island. Shame but seems to be the modern reality.
If i didn't live in the SE of the UK I'm sure id have a different view.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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GTS feels like a £40k car to me. Well over priced IMO.

mainaman

414 posts

185 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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The Surveyor said:
How does the new Cayman compare to the 6 cylinder one in weight terms?

I thought part of the push for smaller turbo engines is to reduce weight (flat 4 with turbos should be lighter than a flat 6) which helps with the fuel economy as well as performance, all helping the 718 handle better than the old ones. Is that the case?
The 2.5 flat four engine is around 3 kilos lighter than the previous NA flat six.

spameister

42 posts

146 months

Friday 1st December 2017
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LateStarter said:
Depends if you like torque or HP.
That reads like you consider power and torque to be two separate things.