RE: Rover 75 V8: Spotted
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I test drove one of these a while back and was massively underwhelmed.
You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
Welshbeef said:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/mg-zt-rover-75-sponsore...
Maybe you should check he facts before posting up eh.
Back in he day my old man nearly bought one with the diesel BMW engine unit.
It’s the engine from the 325 TDS and 525tds
Maybe you should check he facts before posting up eh.
Back in he day my old man nearly bought one with the diesel BMW engine unit.
It’s the engine from the 325 TDS and 525tds
no it isn't 
Always fancied a ZT with the BMW diesel. It's the M47 shared with the Freelander. 2 litre or there abouts.
simonrockman said:
I test drove one of these a while back and was massively underwhelmed.
You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
Not sure I'm due an incoming parrot or we have a Rover Not As Good As Rolls Royce Shocker !!You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
jagnet said:
Seriously?!
This was an engine designed in the 60s (appearing in cars from the early 70s). Initial designs date back to the 50s. It was the world's first mass produced automotive V12 engine. It was designed to produce silky smooth power throughout the rev range for use in heavy luxury saloons rather than a pub bragging peak at some impractically high rpm. Experiments by Jaguar into DOHC were abandoned for production engines as it actually reduced low rpm power despite providing higher peak power.
In the back of the XJR Le Man cars it produced up to 750 bhp and won Le Mans for Jaguar in '88 and '90, so it was more than capable of providing high power outputs reliably where appropriate.
Without doubt one of history's great car engines thanks to engineers such as Harry Mundy, Walter Hassan, William Haynes and Claude Baily.
Looking at engine capacity and peak power in isolation is a fool's game.
dme123 suggested it was wildly superior due to the extra power and torque. Does this wildly superior engine also offer better fuel economy and emissions performance? Packaging? Longevity/Reliability?This was an engine designed in the 60s (appearing in cars from the early 70s). Initial designs date back to the 50s. It was the world's first mass produced automotive V12 engine. It was designed to produce silky smooth power throughout the rev range for use in heavy luxury saloons rather than a pub bragging peak at some impractically high rpm. Experiments by Jaguar into DOHC were abandoned for production engines as it actually reduced low rpm power despite providing higher peak power.
In the back of the XJR Le Man cars it produced up to 750 bhp and won Le Mans for Jaguar in '88 and '90, so it was more than capable of providing high power outputs reliably where appropriate.
Without doubt one of history's great car engines thanks to engineers such as Harry Mundy, Walter Hassan, William Haynes and Claude Baily.
Looking at engine capacity and peak power in isolation is a fool's game.
The one will have been a recipient of project 'Drive' as well: https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread....
swisstoni said:
simonrockman said:
I test drove one of these a while back and was massively underwhelmed.
You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
Not sure I'm due an incoming parrot or we have a Rover Not As Good As Rolls Royce Shocker !!You'll get more waft, more kudos and comfort for the same money in a Shadow II.
Also as the Rolls Royce wasn't thrown together at the last minute by a company going broke I rather think the build quality will be better.
I watched a peculiar programme called Supercar Megabuilds where there converted a Shadow II into an inappropriate drift racer and as one of the builder was taking the wheel nuts off he commented on them being brass.
The Audibeardy grille on Rovers wasn't even unique to the v8s - they used it on the FWD LWB 75s, too.
IIRC Rover used this grille before Audi did. Audi actually copied it. People might find it hard to believe but quite a few things MGR did got copied - e.g. the Streetwise that VW took the concept for the Fox and the Free Petrol promotion that others followed with
I had a ZT V8. It really was a lovely car. The handling and steering was even better than a stock ZT (which really was very good). The only let down (and it was a big one) was the engine. It sounded great and quite cool knowing you have a Mustang V8 and a few Pony Branded components in the boot. It really did not have enough power. I remember struggling to keep up with a 530D in it. The clutch was designed for Geoff Capes and Ben Hur.
I do still hanker after another one I must admit but I would really want the 360 Dreadnough conversion. That really made this car worthwhile.
The standard 260 seems to have hovered around the £10K mark for quite a while. Reality is that a ZT 190 could be had for about £2-3K in top order and the performance is not so different.
I did love the sound though, especially the looks of surprise it always got when people heard the growl
IIRC Rover used this grille before Audi did. Audi actually copied it. People might find it hard to believe but quite a few things MGR did got copied - e.g. the Streetwise that VW took the concept for the Fox and the Free Petrol promotion that others followed with
I had a ZT V8. It really was a lovely car. The handling and steering was even better than a stock ZT (which really was very good). The only let down (and it was a big one) was the engine. It sounded great and quite cool knowing you have a Mustang V8 and a few Pony Branded components in the boot. It really did not have enough power. I remember struggling to keep up with a 530D in it. The clutch was designed for Geoff Capes and Ben Hur.
I do still hanker after another one I must admit but I would really want the 360 Dreadnough conversion. That really made this car worthwhile.
The standard 260 seems to have hovered around the £10K mark for quite a while. Reality is that a ZT 190 could be had for about £2-3K in top order and the performance is not so different.
I did love the sound though, especially the looks of surprise it always got when people heard the growl
Mr2Mike said:
jagnet said:
Seriously?!
This was an engine designed in the 60s (appearing in cars from the early 70s). Initial designs date back to the 50s. It was the world's first mass produced automotive V12 engine. It was designed to produce silky smooth power throughout the rev range for use in heavy luxury saloons rather than a pub bragging peak at some impractically high rpm. Experiments by Jaguar into DOHC were abandoned for production engines as it actually reduced low rpm power despite providing higher peak power.
In the back of the XJR Le Man cars it produced up to 750 bhp and won Le Mans for Jaguar in '88 and '90, so it was more than capable of providing high power outputs reliably where appropriate.
Without doubt one of history's great car engines thanks to engineers such as Harry Mundy, Walter Hassan, William Haynes and Claude Baily.
Looking at engine capacity and peak power in isolation is a fool's game.
dme123 suggested it was wildly superior due to the extra power and torque. Does this wildly superior engine also offer better fuel economy and emissions performance? Packaging? Longevity/Reliability?This was an engine designed in the 60s (appearing in cars from the early 70s). Initial designs date back to the 50s. It was the world's first mass produced automotive V12 engine. It was designed to produce silky smooth power throughout the rev range for use in heavy luxury saloons rather than a pub bragging peak at some impractically high rpm. Experiments by Jaguar into DOHC were abandoned for production engines as it actually reduced low rpm power despite providing higher peak power.
In the back of the XJR Le Man cars it produced up to 750 bhp and won Le Mans for Jaguar in '88 and '90, so it was more than capable of providing high power outputs reliably where appropriate.
Without doubt one of history's great car engines thanks to engineers such as Harry Mundy, Walter Hassan, William Haynes and Claude Baily.
Looking at engine capacity and peak power in isolation is a fool's game.
I could probably list another ten engines that were wildly superior to the poverty spec V8 MGR used that also could have done with more than four gears if that would be easier to comprehend?
Edited by dme123 on Monday 4th December 20:38
Welshbeef said:
MG used the BMW 2.5TD unit which is a gem
No they didn't. The BMW 2.5TD engine is a straight 6 which would never fit into the 75. The diesel in the 75/ZT was,a Rover evolution of the M47 engine, hence M47R. It was more advanced than the unit used in the 3-Series at the time.R400TVR said:
The diesel in the 75/ZT was,a Rover evolution of the M47 engine, hence M47R. It was more advanced than the unit used in the 3-Series at the time.
Interesting - I've read that the M47R evolution for transverse installation was heavier, had cooling issues and was more expensive to produce. Thoughts?Barchettaman said:
R400TVR said:
The diesel in the 75/ZT was,a Rover evolution of the M47 engine, hence M47R. It was more advanced than the unit used in the 3-Series at the time.
Interesting - I've read that the M47R evolution for transverse installation was heavier, had cooling issues and was more expensive to produce. Thoughts?Johnnytheboy said:
I'd love one of these, but I'd have to drive it wearing a medieval helmet so I didn't catch a glimpse of that interior.
I think the interior is its best part. What were its competitors? It looks bland as any Chevy or Buick on the outside, but the interior suggests it was higher up the food chain.kambites said:
king arthur said:
They weren't owned by BMW by then, and I'm really talking about the MG ZT, the rights to which they owned outright so could do with what they wanted. The ZT was sold supposedly on its sporting characteristics, which might have worked better with RWD than FWD, who knows?
But the MGZT was largely just a 75 with an MG badge, a body kit and sports suspension. The 75 was very much developed under BMW ownership; by the time they were independent again there was no way they had the cash to develop a brand new platform let alone a new platform and drivetrain. gweaver said:
Barchettaman said:
R400TVR said:
The diesel in the 75/ZT was,a Rover evolution of the M47 engine, hence M47R. It was more advanced than the unit used in the 3-Series at the time.
Interesting - I've read that the M47R evolution for transverse installation was heavier, had cooling issues and was more expensive to produce. Thoughts?mikEsprit said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I'd love one of these, but I'd have to drive it wearing a medieval helmet so I didn't catch a glimpse of that interior.
I think the interior is its best part. What were its competitors? It looks bland as any Chevy or Buick on the outside, but the interior suggests it was higher up the food chain.
Five different colours - green seats/doors, cream dash/doors/piping, black dash, plastiplank dash, grey carpets.
The cream just makes that airbag wheel look nine months pregnant.
It's a right dog's breakfast of fake-heritage. It's a Barratt "executive" home on wheels, fake beams and pillars and all.
Worse than that, the one time I drove one (cooking, not v8), it wasn't even comfortable - it was cramped and a bit claustrophobic. The single biggest impression it left me with? The mirrors were useless.
TooMany2cvs said:
Just to remind ourselves what that "higher up the food chain" interior looks like...
Five different colours - green seats/doors, cream dash/doors/piping, black dash, plastiplank dash, grey carpets.
The cream just makes that airbag wheel look nine months pregnant.
It's a right dog's breakfast of fake-heritage. It's a Barratt "executive" home on wheels, fake beams and pillars and all.
Worse than that, the one time I drove one (cooking, not v8), it wasn't even comfortable - it was cramped and a bit claustrophobic. The single biggest impression it left me with? The mirrors were useless.
At least they tried to inject some character in to it from the initial sketches...Five different colours - green seats/doors, cream dash/doors/piping, black dash, plastiplank dash, grey carpets.
The cream just makes that airbag wheel look nine months pregnant.
It's a right dog's breakfast of fake-heritage. It's a Barratt "executive" home on wheels, fake beams and pillars and all.
Worse than that, the one time I drove one (cooking, not v8), it wasn't even comfortable - it was cramped and a bit claustrophobic. The single biggest impression it left me with? The mirrors were useless.
...and mock-ups:
Scheme II...
...harked back to their history (heritage).
Even with BMW and Honda influences:
Edited by AppleJuice on Tuesday 5th December 14:54
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