RE: BMW M5 (F90): Driven

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

Ares said:

In your video?? He didn't. You are perhaps getting confused by the fact he called it the 'Em-Five-Thirty-Five'?

He did say that the first M5 followed 5 years later.

FOURTH time now

popeyewhite said:

It's all on the M Division website.

You carry on, thread ban for both of us soon.....

The M Division website I screen-printed before where is said the first M5 was 5 years after the M535? That one?

Or is it a different one that only you can see?

[Ares]

AreOut said:

Ares said:

Sorry buddy, time to take off the rose-tinted glasses.

And which car do you think will be the most reliable?

out of current sport limos? Probably CTS-V with manual gearbox.

Out of the two M5s! E39 Vs the most recent one.

[BMWBen]

Ares said:

popeyewhite said:

Ares said:

In your video?? He didn't. You are perhaps getting confused by the fact he called it the 'Em-Five-Thirty-Five'?

He did say that the first M5 followed 5 years later.

FOURTH time now

popeyewhite said:

It's all on the M Division website.

You carry on, thread ban for both of us soon.....

The M Division website I screen-printed before where is said the first M5 was 5 years after the M535? That one?

Or is it a different one that only you can see?

Shouldn't you two just get a room?

[Ares]

BMWBen said:

Shouldn't you two just get a room?

Most certainly not. He'd spend all his time arguing that it wasn't a room, and that the room website describe it as a unicorn hut.

[E65Ross]

AreOut said:

Ares said:

Sorry buddy, time to take off the rose-tinted glasses.

And which car do you think will be the most reliable?

out of current sport limos? Probably CTS-V with manual gearbox.

I'd have thought the question he was asking related to the E39 vs F90 M5, considering this is a thread about those 2 cars.

[Ares]

popeyewhite said:

FOURTH time now

popeyewhite said:

It's all on the M Division website.

I've even tried to find this mystical statement on the M Division website.

Turns out the M Division website doesn't even mention the M535.... So much for it being the first M5.

[Patrick Bateman]

Oh give it a bloody rest or start a new thread.

[Guvernator]

Unfortunately as seems par for the course these days on PH, a thread that could be interesting has been turned into an internet piss measuring contest. Some people really don't know when to quit and that goes to all parties involved!

Unsubsrcibed.

[AreOut]

Ares said:

Out of the two M5s! E39 Vs the most recent one.

E39 certainly then

[Ares]

AreOut said:

Ares said:

Out of the two M5s! E39 Vs the most recent one.

E39 certainly then

You think an E39 is more reliable than the brand new version?

The E39 that had VANOS and oil issues? And excessive Bush wear?

[edo]

Stop being a tedious Ares.

[Ares]

edo said:

Stop being a tedious Ares.

Sorry, you are taking me out of context. The E39 is possibly the best M5 there has been IMO. But it wasn't a paragon of reliability so to claim otherwise, especially compared to it's 2017 successor, is disingenuous.

[Patrick Bateman]

No M5 will be a paragon of reliability.

[Ares]

Patrick Bateman said:

No M5 will be a paragon of reliability.

Dunno, of all the owners of the last one (F10?), they have all had faultless experiences. But then modern cars don't really have reliability issues anything like cars had even 10 years ago. Hence my point

[AreOut]

Ares said:

You think an E39 is more reliable than the brand new version?

The E39 that had VANOS and oil issues? And excessive Bush wear?

only first batch, they have sorted it out later

also you could relatively cheap upgrade VANOS gears at indipendent UK shops

I haven't noticed any excessive bush wear and you could always upgrade to Powerflex, also relatively cheap

anything that goes wrong on E39 you can sort out for a grand maximum, meanwhile if F10 starts making you problems you are looking at an amount of money that you could buy a good E39 for

Patrick Bateman said:

No M5 will be a paragon of reliability.

we're talking among M5s

[Ares]

AreOut said:

Ares said:

You think an E39 is more reliable than the brand new version?

The E39 that had VANOS and oil issues? And excessive Bush wear?

only first batch, they have sorted it out later

also you could relatively cheap upgrade VANOS gears at indipendent UK shops

I haven't noticed any excessive bush wear and you could always upgrade to Powerflex, also relatively cheap

anything that goes wrong on E39 you can sort out for a grand maximum, meanwhile if F10 starts making you problems you are looking at an amount of money that you could buy a good E39 for

Patrick Bateman said:

No M5 will be a paragon of reliability.

we're talking among M5s

The point being that the F10 didn't have a catalogue of issues (merely as more modern cars are less likely to), and thus are not subject to finding workarounds.

Cars have been criticised for being too complex for 25years now, the argument being they will be impossible to work on as they get older. And yet, they are just as easy, and more commonly easier, as the workshops respond who to the car's needs have corresponding equipment.

[Patrick Bateman]

Ares said:

Dunno, of all the owners of the last one (F10?), they have all had faultless experiences. But then modern cars don't really have reliability issues anything like cars had even 10 years ago. Hence my point

Not sure on that last bit. Just wait and see what kind of issues a 10 year old, 100k mile F10 M5 can throw.

Not sure where you got 'excessive bush wear' from regarding the e39. VANOS issues seem massively exaggerated too.

[Ares]

Patrick Bateman said:

Ares said:

Dunno, of all the owners of the last one (F10?), they have all had faultless experiences. But then modern cars don't really have reliability issues anything like cars had even 10 years ago. Hence my point

Not sure on that last bit. Just wait and see what kind of issues a 10 year old, 100k mile F10 M5 can throw.

Not sure where you got 'excessive bush wear' from regarding the e39. VANOS issues seem massively exaggerated too.

They were both the issues that stopped me buying one 2nd hand in 2003/04, after taking advice from BMW dealers & independents. They were considered to be, as all M cars were, a specialist vehicle, expensive cars, not really higher mileage daily drivers, with the maintenance woes that came with such cars. Those where the two issues that I was warned against.

[Patrick Bateman]

Maybe they said that back then but I've never seen excessive bush wear mentioned in any buying guide over and above keeping a look out for typical suspension wear and tear.

And how many VANOS units were unnecessarily replaced at ridiculous cost under warranty because they sounded a bit clattery despite not being an actual issue? Thereby inflating the apparent costs to daft levels.

[p1stonhead]

Switchable 4wd / 2wd is genius isnt it?!

Best of both worlds!

Or is not quite that simple?