RE: Hyundai i30N vs SEAT Leon Cupra 300

[D200]

culpz said:

Which is still a valid point, IMO.

Who's that constantly slating Hyundai and KIA products? It's D200, of course

It's not a valid point.

Well it is if you are an the type of person that when buying a new car you only look at the claimed BHP and nothing else - something you may well do i guess



And again nope.

I am not constantly slating them

I stated - as did many others inc ALL website and magazine reviews- the 40k+ Kia Stinger good car but overpriced [in the UK anyway] - as it obviously is.

Same with Hyundai

Good but at 28K I [and MANY others] think it’s over priced

In fact as opposed to me just slating them - which I don’t - you are their biggest fanboy and think they are vastly superior than all their competitors no matter what.

I only replied to counter your opinion that they are better than all the competitors – I simply disagree.

I hope you have both in garage - 60k worth of one Hyundai hatchback plus one Kia Saloon

[D200]

kambites said:

D200 said:

culpz of course:

The Golf is way down on power though and will be nowhere near as fast or as capable. I wouldn't be comparing it to this Hyundai as there's more to this than a comparison of price.

Ah I missed that.

There is a good direct comparison to be made though, the Golf PP with the adaptive chassis thing and the standard Hyundai i30N look very similar on paper. In those specs the Golf is £31k (but significantly discounted) the Hyundai is £25k with unknown discounts. The reviews would seem to imply that the Hyundai is dynamically superior but I don't think anyone would bet against the Golf being nicer inside and having more general "feelgood factor" as a car.

Horses for courses but given the £6k list price difference I find it hard to see the Hyundai as overpriced, myself.

ETA: If the Golf turns out to have a lower total cost of ownership due to the way finance deals pan out, the Hyundai will of course look overpriced.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 7th December 12:40

I still think the Hyundai is over priced

It’s more expensive than a Focus ST- depending on the equipment you need up to 6k more expensive

If people are saying the ST down on power, you can easily get a manuf approved remap with warranty that will give it the same or more power than the Hyundai for a few hundred quid

You can have it as hatch or estate as well

I am not a Ford fan but if I was in market for a hot hatch I would not discount the Focus ST – its gets great reviews. Not as good on a track as some but on the road great. And how many owns of these will take then to a track, not very many and not much of the time.

Then you have the Golf GTi, same price as Hyundai, wee bit down on power and equipment but still hard to overlook. I could like with a few less bhp and equipment if it was a better car. As I said, BHP and standard equipment are not key selling points to me. One engine could have less BHP but be a nicer engine – after all they are both 2.0 4 cyl turbos- response, revs, sound etc. as important as outright power

Or for another few K the Civic Type R, Focus RS or M140

Then if you can live with smaller cars there is stuff like the Fiesta ST, new Polo GTI Clio 220 Trophy etc for a lot less

Then you have people saying this is the best hatch ever, rewrites the rulebook etc.

I don’t know, its good for sure there is a lot of good completion out there inc a new Meganne due very soon

[kambites]

D200 said:

I still think the Hyundai is over priced

I know you do.

From what I've read (obviously I can't make a particularly informed opinion without driving it) I don't. At least no more so than any other brand new hot hatch. The reviews have been complementary of the intangibles and it seems to have a lower list price than anything which matches it in terms of tangibles.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 7th December 13:26

[sideways sid]

Nicely-written article.

I can't add anything about the cars that hasn't already been said, but can't help thinking that "...genuine, suck-it-and-see relish..." deserved a mention, and will be retained for use next time an opportunity arises!

[culpz]

D200 - The gift that keeps on giving

[D200]

culpz said:

D200 - The gift that keeps on giving

I will keep you right

And you are welcome - my pleasure as always

[r11co]

D200 said:

I still think the Hyundai is over priced

It’s more expensive than a Focus ST- depending on the equipment you need up to 6k more expensive

If people are saying the ST down on power, you can easily get a manuf approved remap with warranty that will give it the same or more power than the Hyundai for a few hundred quid

You can have it as hatch or estate as well

I am not a Ford fan but if I was in market for a hot hatch I would not discount the Focus ST – its gets great reviews. Not as good on a track as some but on the road great. And how many owns of these will take then to a track, not very many and not much of the time.

Then you have the Golf GTi, same price as Hyundai, wee bit down on power and equipment but still hard to overlook. I could like with a few less bhp and equipment if it was a better car. As I said, BHP and standard equipment are not key selling points to me. One engine could have less BHP but be a nicer engine – after all they are both 2.0 4 cyl turbos- response, revs, sound etc. as important as outright power

Or for another few K the Civic Type R, Focus RS or M140

Then if you can live with smaller cars there is stuff like the Fiesta ST, new Polo GTI Clio 220 Trophy etc for a lot less

Then you have people saying this is the best hatch ever, rewrites the rulebook etc.

I don’t know, its good for sure there is a lot of good completion out there inc a new Meganne due very soon

Basically anything but the Hyundai then (even if it is dynamically inferior, from a class below or not even a competitor).

We get it - you're conservative and backward-looking when it comes to cars and have an irrational dislike of certain brands.

Not a unique trait it must be said.

[culpz]

D200 said:

culpz said:

D200 - The gift that keeps on giving

I will keep you right

And you are welcome - my pleasure as always

Merry Christmas btw

Can i just ask a question, as i find it seriously difficult to have a conversation with you on here. Why do you take everything to heart? If anyone, particularly me, disagrees with your opinion, then you make all these silly assumptions about them and claim they are a a fanboy.

Are you a genuine troll or are you just seriously delicate/insecure?

[aaron_2000]

The AgentXXX of Korean cars I see

[D200]

r11co said:

Basically anything but the Hyundai then (even if it is dynamically inferior, from a class below or not even a competitor).

We get it - you're conservative and backward-looking when it comes to cars and have an irrational dislike of certain brands.

Not a unique trait it must be said.

I said I would consider, and possibly prefer*, a Golf GTI, Golf R, Civic Type R, Meganne RS, M140I to this Hyundai

And consider Focus ST or even Clio RS

Some a few grand less, some the same price and some a few grand more – all hot hatches.


But I would take the Hyundai over Kia C’eed GT [or whatever it’s called] or an Astra VXR most likely

• I would need to read a big group test of them all and test drive them all but that is what I think based on lots of things including how they handle, engine performance, ride, , looks, costs etc

This doesn’t make my view irrational or backward looking. Just different than yours

You are the irrational/dullisuional one who would take this car over all others no matter…


Some people think this Hyundai 2nd coming. I don’t. Get over it

[D200]

culpz said:

Merry Christmas btw

Can i just ask a question, as i find it seriously difficult to have a conversation with you on here. Why do you take everything to heart? If anyone, particularly me, disagrees with your opinion, then you make all these silly assumptions about them and claim they are a a fanboy.

Are you a genuine troll or are you just seriously delicate/insecure?

Are you being series?

You are the one who think this Hyundai, then on other thread the Kia stinger, are the best cars ever and can’t understand why everyone could possibly have an opinion that is different than yours

You are mindboggling foolish if you think everyone should agree with your opinion

And embarrassingly insecure if it massively offends you that someone doesn’t share your perpetual love for Kia’s and Hyundai’s over every other car manufacture in the word, at any price point…

I wasn’t aware of the PH forum rule where you are not allowed to have even a slightly different opinion to the world’s biggest Kia and Hyundai Fanboy

[culpz]

D200 said:

culpz said:

Merry Christmas btw

Can i just ask a question, as i find it seriously difficult to have a conversation with you on here. Why do you take everything to heart? If anyone, particularly me, disagrees with your opinion, then you make all these silly assumptions about them and claim they are a a fanboy.

Are you a genuine troll or are you just seriously delicate/insecure?

Are you being series?

You are the one who think this Hyundai, then on other thread the Kia stinger, are the best cars ever and can’t understand why everyone could possibly have an opinion that is different than yours

You are mindboggling foolish if you think everyone should agree with your opinion

And embarrassingly insecure if it massively offends you that someone doesn’t share your perpetual love for Kia’s and Hyundai’s over every other car manufacture in the word, at any price point…

I wasn’t aware of the PH forum rule where you are not allowed to have even a slightly different opinion to the world’s biggest Kia and Hyundai Fanboy

Keep it up bud, you're only proving my point

[GTEYE]

culpz said:

D200 said:

culpz said:

Merry Christmas btw

Can i just ask a question, as i find it seriously difficult to have a conversation with you on here. Why do you take everything to heart? If anyone, particularly me, disagrees with your opinion, then you make all these silly assumptions about them and claim they are a a fanboy.

Are you a genuine troll or are you just seriously delicate/insecure?

Are you being series?

You are the one who think this Hyundai, then on other thread the Kia stinger, are the best cars ever and can’t understand why everyone could possibly have an opinion that is different than yours

You are mindboggling foolish if you think everyone should agree with your opinion

And embarrassingly insecure if it massively offends you that someone doesn’t share your perpetual love for Kia’s and Hyundai’s over every other car manufacture in the word, at any price point…

I wasn’t aware of the PH forum rule where you are not allowed to have even a slightly different opinion to the world’s biggest Kia and Hyundai Fanboy

Keep it up bud, you're only proving my point

Hmmm this thread is going well.

Really though the i30 is pricey at £28k. For only £3k more at £31k you could be driving a delivery miles 340i....and for my money I know which I'd rather have....so unless they discount massively (which I don't believe they do), its simply outclassed at this price point.

Note it doesn't make it a bad car, but it does make it poor value.

[aaron_2000]

GTEYE said:

Hmmm this thread is going well.

Could it be the i30N is the PH replacement for the Focus RS? Could there finally be a new car to automatically ruin threads?

[ZX10R NIN]

Price wise I think Hyundai have got the pricing right, yes it's not cheap why should it be good engineering costs, as I said earlier in the thread this seems to be a very decent drivers car the infotainment is secondary to how it drives & as for the engine that could be down to it being a bit tight.

A Focus ST-3 (which brings them on a par interior spec wise) is 28k then you'd have to go to Mountune for the Diff & suspension as well as some boost a Volvo T5 is 40k (which is crazy) & most VAG products workout to be around 35k by the time you get them to similar spec levels but not as good dynamically.

The interior doesn't look like a bad place to be I've driven a few Kia C'eed GT's & the interior is on par with anything Renault/Ford etc are putting out there, this has moved on again from that car so while it won't have the VAG garnish it won't be an awful place while away the miles in.

The RS 280/300Megane (the drivers benchmark IMO) is going to start at around 30k in base form & then nearer to the 35k for the all singing Trophy version with the diff etc in comparison to all of those the all in price of 28k seems pretty spot on, I think sometimes we forget the actual list price of cars sometimes.

For example while you can get a 140i for 32k how much does it cost to get one on a similar par spec (not forgetting a trip to Birds for the diff) wise

At the end of the day a group test will sort out how good it really is but I for one wouldn't dismiss it.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 7th December 19:09

[lb3nson]

Our i30N demo arrived today. The only thing that I can confirm pre-PDI is that it definitely sounds and looks the part!
Will hopefully be able to offer some honest driving impressions at some point over the next few weeks. I’m interested to see how a front wheel drive car with an LSD has progressed in comparison to my DC2 Type-R.

[Jimmy Recard]

I don't think I've driven a current gen Hyundai or Kia, and the only two I've driven were older and pretty worn out. I really, really want to try this new i30N. Looks absolutely terrific to me.

[unsprung]

HorneyMX5 said:

Great video from Evo on it a while a back.

https://youtu.be/pSJU7SWYgxw

It sounds like a proper rally car and not all farty like most current hot hatches.

Thanks. That's a fun video. The sound, alone, is entertainment.

[Ahbefive]

kambites said:

However similar they might seem in some ways, I can't actually see there being much market cross-over between the Honda and Hyundai simply because they sit at such extremes in terms of looks.

Personally I think the Hyundai looks far less bland than the Cupra and GTi and similarly sporty to say a Focus ST. Certainly not as bland as some.

I like the Focus ST but if I was in the market for one this i30N would be seriously making me umm and arr. I like it, it's something different.

[aaron_2000]

I'm willing to admit if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, I wouldn't go for the Hyundai. I'd want to wait to see how they do on the first couple of models first. I'm surprised so many people overlook the 308 GTI, is it that bad? I'd probably still go for an M140i and enjoy the BMW straight 6 while I can.