RE: Hyundai i30N vs SEAT Leon Cupra 300

[kambites]

aaron_2000 said:

I'm willing to admit if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, I wouldn't go for the Hyundai.

Personally I'd drive them all and buy whichever I liked most. Same as with any other sector, really. I certainly wouldn't write the Hyundai off without trying it. Ultimately if I was after a "fun" hot hatch I'd probably end up with something from the class below anyway.

[Jimmy Recard]

aaron_2000 said:

I'm willing to admit if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, I wouldn't go for the Hyundai. I'd want to wait to see how they do on the first couple of models first. I'm surprised so many people overlook the 308 GTI, is it that bad? I'd probably still go for an M140i and enjoy the BMW straight 6 while I can.

The Hyundai, 308 GTI and M140i are top of my list at the moment.

I think the i30N and the 308 a little more. It sounds silly and obvious but I expect it'll be easier to get a used M140i in whatever spec you like in a few years time (as they're so popular) so I wouldn't feel any time pressure to get one soon.

[morgrp]

As nice as both of these are and I really do like them both, they seem a touch pricey to me given the average for the type of car performance and that the residual values won't be amazing on either. 31k for the Seat is starting to knock on the door of BMW M140i prices and that to me is a superior if somewhat flawed alternative. Likewise the Focus RS is in this price bracket and the predicted residual values on those are pretty nuts and thats before we've even considered what a hoot it is to drive.

[morgrp]

Jimmy Recard said:

aaron_2000 said:

I'm willing to admit if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, I wouldn't go for the Hyundai. I'd want to wait to see how they do on the first couple of models first. I'm surprised so many people overlook the 308 GTI, is it that bad? I'd probably still go for an M140i and enjoy the BMW straight 6 while I can.

The Hyundai, 308 GTI and M140i are top of my list at the moment.

I think the i30N and the 308 a little more. It sounds silly and obvious but I expect it'll be easier to get a used M140i in whatever spec you like in a few years time (as they're so popular) so I wouldn't feel any time pressure to get one soon.

You'll get a cracking deal on an M140i from new to be honest - I've just been and bought Mrs Morgrp a new 118i and the deal I got was crazy really

[D200]

ZX10R NIN said:

For example while you can get a 140i for 32k how much does it cost to get one on a similar par spec (not forgetting a trip to Birds for the diff) wise

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 7th December 19:09

To get the Hyundai to same spec as said BMW you need to fit a 3.0 6 cylinder engine then convert it to RWD. How much would that cost?

[kambites]

The 140i never really felt like a "hot hatch" to me. Yes it's fast and a hatchback but it's a very mature feeling thing, it lacks the playfulness which characterises a hot hatch for me. That's not a criticism, I'd love one as a family car if it was bit more practical but it feels more at home loping along big sweeping A-roads than being thrown about on a winding B-road.

[nshooter35]

Went to the dealer today. Looks pretty nice. But they tell me no options on the UK model other than performance pack and metallic paint. Pretty well speced tho. But no heated seats. According to the n cars owners (I presume potential owners) forum - other dealers have confirmed this. And also a 3 month wait time!

Deal breaker.

[ZX10R NIN]

D200 said:

ZX10R NIN said:

For example while you can get a 140i for 32k how much does it cost to get one on a similar par spec (not forgetting a trip to Birds for the diff) wise

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 7th December 19:09

To get the Hyundai to same spec as said BMW you need to fit a 3.0 6 cylinder engine then convert it to RWD. How much would that cost?

I'm talking about a drivers hot hatch, I distinctly remember the 4 cylinder Megane comfortably being the better drivers car than the 6 cylinder BMW offering which is the criteria I judge hot hatches by so as said in the rest of it you then have to go & spend more down at Birds/AC Schnitzer.

You may judge them differently & that's fine but for me those things matter.

[FN2TypeR]

aaron_2000 said:

I'm willing to admit if I was in the market for a new hot hatch, I wouldn't go for the Hyundai. I'd want to wait to see how they do on the first couple of models first. I'm surprised so many people overlook the 308 GTI, is it that bad? I'd probably still go for an M140i and enjoy the BMW straight 6 while I can.

No, the more powerful of the two (I think that the 250PS one has been ditched now) is bloody brilliant IMO!

[aaron_2000]

FN2TypeR said:

No, the more powerful of the two (I think that the 250PS one has been ditched now) is bloody brilliant IMO!

The weight astounds me, 1200kg?? That's amazing.

[ZX10R NIN]

Yes only the 270 model but fully loaded it's 31k which is pretty good.

[HairyPutter]

Umm, 18 inch discs!? What is it, a train?

I guess the actual disc diameter is about 14inch or 345mm.

To be fair the spec on the Hyundai website also gets it wrong.

Maybe a copy paste error but strange it didnt strike the author as odd!

[culpz]

kambites said:

The 140i never really felt like a "hot hatch" to me. Yes it's fast and a hatchback but it's a very mature feeling thing, it lacks the playfulness which characterises a hot hatch for me. That's not a criticism, I'd love one as a family car if it was bit more practical but it feels more at home loping along big sweeping A-roads than being thrown about on a winding B-road.

I know what you mean. It's that fast and competent, it can sometimes feel more like a mini GT car. I think it's to do with the size and shape of the car, too. I know these new hot-hatches are getting bigger now but the 1-Series feels vastly more sizeable to me, with the almost saloon-like bonnet

However, they are still an absolute bargain for the money, considering what you're getting for your dosh.

[Mike1990]

I know Laptimes mean diddly squat but,

https://youtu.be/0DrfMKbd9mc

That 308 has shown a clean pair of heels to Hyundai and Golf GTi

[culpz]

Mike1990 said:

I know Laptimes mean diddly squat but,

https://youtu.be/0DrfMKbd9mc

That 308 has shown a clean pair of heels to Hyundai and Golf GTi

See, the 308 is the one competitor, in this segment, that i just couldn't care less about. Harsh, i know.

It could be great, it could be amazing; it's clearly doing something right. However, i just don't want one, at all.

[Mike1990]

culpz said:

See, the 308 is the one competitor, in this segment, that i just couldn't care less about. Harsh, i know.

It could be great, it could be amazing; it's clearly doing something right. However, i just don't want one, at all.

It seems loads of others aswell, including the press. Shame. I’ve only seen a handful on the roads tbh, perhaps the badge doesn’t sit well with the neighbours or something lol.

But trawl YouTube the Europeans seem to compare it with everything, so i’am guessing its fairing a lot better over there.

[D200]

ZX10R NIN said:

D200 said:

ZX10R NIN said:

For example while you can get a 140i for 32k how much does it cost to get one on a similar par spec (not forgetting a trip to Birds for the diff) wise

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 7th December 19:09

To get the Hyundai to same spec as said BMW you need to fit a 3.0 6 cylinder engine then convert it to RWD. How much would that cost?

I'm talking about a drivers hot hatch, I distinctly remember the 4 cylinder Megane comfortably being the better drivers car than the 6 cylinder BMW offering which is the criteria I judge hot hatches by so as said in the rest of it you then have to go & spend more down at Birds/AC Schnitzer.

You may judge them differently & that's fine but for me those things matter.

You said the BMW needs to be sent to birds/ACS to make it compete with the i30 - if you think this fair enough, I see where you are coming from to an extent.

But other people may have much different opinions – people here have to accept that – but I guess that will never ever happen on the ph forum

After all we are just comparing 2 performance hatches.

Some people will want a car that down a bumpy road is unflappable where you can apply maximum throttle and braking when entering/exiting bumpy corners and so on. Trying to carry as much speed into corners. Or some progressive lift off oversteer etc

Other people may want a hatch that handles well, sounds good – so a nice 5 or 6 cylinder engine – and has a much higher level of performance and is RWD or AWD as they might want to power slide it etc. They might not care about ultimate pace down a narrow bumpy wet b-road

So if you want to get the BMW have the distinct abilities of the Hyundai then yes may want to visit birds/acs and throw a good few more $$$ at it

But, on the flip side, if you want the Hyundai to have the performance and drive like the BMW then you will need to fit a larger engine with more cylinders and convert it to RWD - this you will need a lot more $$$$$$$

[ZX10R NIN]

As I said in the last paragraph, you may judge them differently & that's fine but for me a Hot Hatch is a driver's car first after that the other things like infotainment etc are down the list, using your thought process on the subject you would have to make the 140i handle as well as a Megane (which wheels it's driven by or how big the engine is or isn't doesn't matter to me as long as it handles well) so a diff with the suspension & LCA upgrade are what a 140i would need (once they've had this done they're a very good steer) to get on terms with a Megane.

I like the 140/240i but they're more GT than hot hatch but if I was in the Market for a hot hatch they wouldn't make the list of cars I'd be looking to test drive.

What's would make your top 5 hot hatch list (brand new) on sale today D200?

[D200]

ZX10R NIN said:

As I said in the last paragraph, you may judge them differently & that's fine but for me a Hot Hatch is a driver's car first after that the other things like infotainment etc are down the list, using your thought process on the subject you would have to make the 140i handle as well as a Megane (which wheels it's driven by or how big the engine is or isn't doesn't matter to me as long as it handles well) so a diff with the suspension & LCA upgrade are what a 140i would need (once they've had this done they're a very good steer) to get on terms with a Megane.

I like the 140/240i but they're more GT than hot hatch but if I was in the Market for a hot hatch they wouldn't make the list of cars I'd be looking to test drive.

What's would make your top 5 hot hatch list (brand new) on sale today D200?

Yep I know you said it was how you judge I’m just saying not everyone will have the exact same purchase parameters

I would 100% class a 140 as a hot hatch. A hot hatch to most would be a performance hatchback - the 140 is that. To say it’s not is being a tad pedantic

I guess my top 5 new on sale today would prob be....

Golf GTI (not sure if Clubsport still available but if so including it) golf R, civic type r. Focus RS and M140i

Please Note not including this Hyundai as it’s not on sale today (available 2018) nor new Megane as it not out either and not driven by anyone outside factory.

I’m looking forward to proper group tests with all competitors

This ph test while good read and first comparison I read is not a proper comparison test. As they even said themselves they’ll test it proper next year with all rivals

But then some people here are saying this is best hot hatch in the history of all time based on one extremely limited review.

[ZX10R NIN]

My Top 5:

Focus RS
Civic Type R
Fiesta ST
Clio 220 Trophy
A45 AMG

After that:

RS3
Golf R/Audi S3
140i M

Anyone else?