RE: Hyundai i30N vs SEAT Leon Cupra 300
Discussion
spikyone said:
Possibly so - but really, if you're looking at buying a new car for £35k in the first place you're not going to be the type of person that's just scraping by. And at that sort of money it's very different to comparing a used sub-£10k hot hatch with a used sub-£10k Boxster (for example) where fuel/insurance/tyres/servicing starts to become a much bigger proportion of your outlay.
But do people really believe this seat would cost 35k to buy? Massively inflated RRP's are bull.DanielSan said:
Oz83 said:
I don't think health centre blue helps the way the Hyundai looks. Should have been a lairy bright green or yellow to match the driving experience.
Sounds like Hyundai did a great job. I just can't get my head around spending 28 grand on one.
Yet £35k on a Seat doesn’t even get a reaction? I find that genuinely bizarre. Sounds like Hyundai did a great job. I just can't get my head around spending 28 grand on one.
Blackpuddin said:
Interesting post as it shows what Hyundai is up against in terms of shifting opinion.
I think the Koreans know they have a mountain to climb when it comes to public perception, but they're going about climbing it in a very impressive way. Most markets aren't quite as badge obsessed as the UK so I guess cars like this and the Stinger will sell well enough in some places to offset their "halo car which doesn't sell" status here.I've been enormously impressed by their white-good cars that I've experienced. I'd put their engineering on a par with Honda and Toyota now, which is to say far ahead of the meanstream European brands. They seem to be doing their best to be more Lexus than Mercedes when it comes to customer service too, although they're not there yet.
They desperately need to get their heads around the non-ownership driven UK market though. Their headline prices might be competitive but their leases and PCPs are not which is curious considering how strong their residuals are.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 6th December 18:03
deadscoob said:
stevesingo said:
I'm still struggling to decipher the opinion of the writer through the synonym, metaphor riddled bulls
t fest. Dreadful! And 18" brakes, really?
As pointed out by others, the price difference makes this something of a non-comparison. Would it be compared with a £31k Civic Type R or a £32k Focus RS? Nope!
Agreed re the content. 18” disks lol, v poor piece.t fest. Dreadful! And 18" brakes, really?As pointed out by others, the price difference makes this something of a non-comparison. Would it be compared with a £31k Civic Type R or a £32k Focus RS? Nope!
Be interesting to have a go in one of them Hyundai's
As a few of you know I run the Leon Owners Club and currently have a 420ps MK3 Cupra.
Gabriele Tarquini has had quite a lot to do with its development be interesting to see how it handles compared to Jordi Gene's development on the Cupra.
As a few of you know I run the Leon Owners Club and currently have a 420ps MK3 Cupra.
Gabriele Tarquini has had quite a lot to do with its development be interesting to see how it handles compared to Jordi Gene's development on the Cupra.
Leicesterdave said:
SEAT all the way. Hyundai does some very good dependable cars but to me will always be more of a tool rather than something sporty.
Then perhaps you should try a Hyundai, you will be surprised.I've always had mostly German cars and when a mate ask if I could test a new Santa Fe before buying it, well it was quite a revelation. Try it and make your own opinion.
Jonno02 said:
spikyone said:
Possibly so - but really, if you're looking at buying a new car for £35k in the first place you're not going to be the type of person that's just scraping by. And at that sort of money it's very different to comparing a used sub-£10k hot hatch with a used sub-£10k Boxster (for example) where fuel/insurance/tyres/servicing starts to become a much bigger proportion of your outlay.
But do people really believe this seat would cost 35k to buy? Massively inflated RRP's are bull.Saying that people/ businesses are obviously buying them so I must be wrong.
ChawenHalo said:
Agreed. I recently saw a 535i touring at the dealership, nearly fainted when I saw the €85k price tag. £30k for a Gold GTI ?! WTF, get outta here. 35k on a hatchback (or any vag unreliable recycled crap they pump out) hot or not you just can't be serious.
Saying that people/ businesses are obviously buying them so I must be wrong.
Saying that people/ businesses are obviously buying them so I must be wrong.
Addymk2 said:
Jonno02 said:
Bizarre comparison imo. The SEAT would be in the category above; rivalling the golf R, civic type R etc. To me, this is more of a rival to the Focus ST petrol 246bhp models.
And let's be honest, RRP means nothing. The golf R and Cupra 300 have almost the same list price, yet the discounts on the Cupra are HUGE and the golf's are average. And being brutally honest, if this can't match the £250pm 10kp/a lease deals the cupra is, then it won't sell in great numbers. I'm definitely being utterly stupid here, but I think I'd feel a little silly in a KIA with a loudish exhaust note; although people will say the same for any brand. However, that being said, as the article pointed out, the Cupra is a very handsome car; but so is this Kia. The side profile is almost perfect (what the M140i should have looked like). Actually to hell with it, I’d probably try one on a cheapish lease as it’s a very nice looking car.
I'd be interested to see how this stacks up to the 308 GTI. The Hyundai and the Pug share a lot of similarities, most notably the 'performance packs' which include a power hike and an electronic diffAnd let's be honest, RRP means nothing. The golf R and Cupra 300 have almost the same list price, yet the discounts on the Cupra are HUGE and the golf's are average. And being brutally honest, if this can't match the £250pm 10kp/a lease deals the cupra is, then it won't sell in great numbers. I'm definitely being utterly stupid here, but I think I'd feel a little silly in a KIA with a loudish exhaust note; although people will say the same for any brand. However, that being said, as the article pointed out, the Cupra is a very handsome car; but so is this Kia. The side profile is almost perfect (what the M140i should have looked like). Actually to hell with it, I’d probably try one on a cheapish lease as it’s a very nice looking car.
Edited as it's not a Kia...
Edited by Addymk2 on Wednesday 6th December 12:18
I work at a Hyundai main dealership, and we took delivery of an i30n performance pack a few days ago.
First impressions, it looks like a normal i30 inside, apart from the front seats and steering wheel.
The side skirts look cheap, the wheels are quite nice, and even though it doesn't have brembo or any other big names written on the brakes, the fronts look ok with the ventilated discs.
So, we took it out, as you would, for a jolly good thrashing.
In a straight line, not that quick, but traction was very impressive. Not sure if it was down to the clever diff, or the specific P-zero tyres, but wheelspin in 'N' mode is very minimal, the thing just grips.
Cornering, very impressive indeed, and that's comparing it to higher priced more powerful competitors. It really does perform like the claims, very grippy and you can feel the diff working, it does a really good job.
The nav screen has a few features, you can adjust plenty of the cars performance parameters in custom N mode.
I think it is priced fairly well, when you compare it to a cupra r or civic type r, as 28 grand is well below those and it has quite a few toys as standard.
It does look bland, but I like that, debadged it would be quite a fun weapon.
We have seen 9mpg on the on board screen though, so it likes a drink when your hammering it
Not sure I would buy one personally, as the interior really does spoil the whole car.
First impressions, it looks like a normal i30 inside, apart from the front seats and steering wheel.
The side skirts look cheap, the wheels are quite nice, and even though it doesn't have brembo or any other big names written on the brakes, the fronts look ok with the ventilated discs.
So, we took it out, as you would, for a jolly good thrashing.
In a straight line, not that quick, but traction was very impressive. Not sure if it was down to the clever diff, or the specific P-zero tyres, but wheelspin in 'N' mode is very minimal, the thing just grips.
Cornering, very impressive indeed, and that's comparing it to higher priced more powerful competitors. It really does perform like the claims, very grippy and you can feel the diff working, it does a really good job.
The nav screen has a few features, you can adjust plenty of the cars performance parameters in custom N mode.
I think it is priced fairly well, when you compare it to a cupra r or civic type r, as 28 grand is well below those and it has quite a few toys as standard.
It does look bland, but I like that, debadged it would be quite a fun weapon.
We have seen 9mpg on the on board screen though, so it likes a drink when your hammering it
Not sure I would buy one personally, as the interior really does spoil the whole car.
Glad I'm not the only one who found the article a bit 'overworked'.
I'd choose the Hyundai, but that's because I can't stand anything from the VAG group really, I prefer something unique to some copy pasted car, how many versions do we need of essentially the same fking car?
I'd choose the Hyundai, but that's because I can't stand anything from the VAG group really, I prefer something unique to some copy pasted car, how many versions do we need of essentially the same f
king car?Edited by Valgar on Wednesday 6th December 19:50
Valgar said:
Glad I'm not the only one who found the article a bit 'overworked'.
I'd choose the Hyundai, but that's because I can't stand anything from the VAG group really, I prefer something unique to some copy pasted car, how many versions do we need of essentially the same fking car?
I wouldn't let that put me off, if the product were superior (ie I wouldn't go specifically out of my way to choose an inferior product simply because it's different; though I am not the type of person who will follow the herd for the sake of it.I'd choose the Hyundai, but that's because I can't stand anything from the VAG group really, I prefer something unique to some copy pasted car, how many versions do we need of essentially the same f
king car?Edited by Valgar on Wednesday 6th December 19:50
Great video from Evo on it a while a back.
https://youtu.be/pSJU7SWYgxw
It sounds like a proper rally car and not all farty like most current hot hatches.
https://youtu.be/pSJU7SWYgxw
It sounds like a proper rally car and not all farty like most current hot hatches.
Firstly, it doesn't have 18inch brakes.
Secondly, to me the Hyundai is infinitely more interesting that the bland Leon. Surprised the author thinks that the Leon looks better, it just looks so plain.
Thirdly, why is this written in such an awkward fashion and manages to almost completely gloss over how the car actually drives. A review should be far more descriptive in the actual attributes of the car. This is more an excercise in trying to string random adjectives together to attempt to look clever and instead it just comes across as clumsy along with the ridiculous use of hyphens everywhere. The author needs to go back to school. Hythens are totally unnecessary.
So many good hot hatches on the market now, with the arrival of the new Megane we are really spoilt for choice even if they do all seem to be around £30k.
Secondly, to me the Hyundai is infinitely more interesting that the bland Leon. Surprised the author thinks that the Leon looks better, it just looks so plain.
Thirdly, why is this written in such an awkward fashion and manages to almost completely gloss over how the car actually drives. A review should be far more descriptive in the actual attributes of the car. This is more an excercise in trying to string random adjectives together to attempt to look clever and instead it just comes across as clumsy along with the ridiculous use of hyphens everywhere. The author needs to go back to school. Hythens are totally unnecessary.
So many good hot hatches on the market now, with the arrival of the new Megane we are really spoilt for choice even if they do all seem to be around £30k.
Edited by Ahbefive on Thursday 7th December 06:50
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