RE: Hyundai i30N vs SEAT Leon Cupra 300
Discussion
It seems like Hyundai have built a cracker, this could be Korea's take on the Megane 275 & it seems they've come close, I reckon for people that do trackdays this could become the weapon of choice as you have a good chassis tied to a potent engine, as well as that warranty it's a bit of a win win.
HorneyMX5 said:
It sounds like a proper rally car and not all farty like most current hot hatches.
Suspect if it had a dual clutch ‘box it would sound farty like most current hot hatches. The auto blip on downshifts is hardly authentic.Regardless I really like the look of it, although to be truthful I can never see mys of putting money into a Hyundai.
Let's pause for just a moment to reflect upon progress:
275 hp and 300 hp from turbocharged four-cylinder engines that are perfectly amenable to the chores of daily driving. A generation or two ago, those figures were V8 territory. And with none of the fuel efficiency and environmental responsibility of today.
Of course, either car would be fun to own. But I do prefer the Hyundai, simply because it's a bit unexpected. And the brand appears to be on a mission.
While I did chuckle at a clever comment earlier in this thread (that the colour of the Hyundai is "health centre blue"), I do like this hue. It has just a touch of lavender to it. Seems a bit posh to me. Like a quality ceramic.
Moving up in the Hyundai portfolio is the G80 Sport, an extroverted version of the standard G80 saloon. It's more comfort than lairy performance, but is also promising.
275 hp and 300 hp from turbocharged four-cylinder engines that are perfectly amenable to the chores of daily driving. A generation or two ago, those figures were V8 territory. And with none of the fuel efficiency and environmental responsibility of today.
Of course, either car would be fun to own. But I do prefer the Hyundai, simply because it's a bit unexpected. And the brand appears to be on a mission.
While I did chuckle at a clever comment earlier in this thread (that the colour of the Hyundai is "health centre blue"), I do like this hue. It has just a touch of lavender to it. Seems a bit posh to me. Like a quality ceramic.
Moving up in the Hyundai portfolio is the G80 Sport, an extroverted version of the standard G80 saloon. It's more comfort than lairy performance, but is also promising.
Strange comparison with Seat.
A Golf GTi is 28,200
Civic Type R is 30995
Even focus rs or golf R and M140i aren’t that much more
Hyundai sounds good but not great
28k seems a bit pricey, it’s just slightly cheaper than competition but needs to be significantly cheaper or much better to compete rightly or wrongly, with the established competition
If it was 23995 it would be a bargain
As prices it’s just mildly expensive
If new Megane RS estimated price of 27-28k is true then it will be another tough competitor
Forgot about Focus ST. Just checked ford uk site and an ST3 (top spec and before discounts) is £27490 so it’s cheaper than the Hyundai
A Golf GTi is 28,200
Civic Type R is 30995
Even focus rs or golf R and M140i aren’t that much more
Hyundai sounds good but not great
28k seems a bit pricey, it’s just slightly cheaper than competition but needs to be significantly cheaper or much better to compete rightly or wrongly, with the established competition
If it was 23995 it would be a bargain
As prices it’s just mildly expensive
If new Megane RS estimated price of 27-28k is true then it will be another tough competitor
Forgot about Focus ST. Just checked ford uk site and an ST3 (top spec and before discounts) is £27490 so it’s cheaper than the Hyundai
Edited by D200 on Wednesday 6th December 21:46
Oz83 said:
I don't think health centre blue helps the way the Hyundai looks. Should have been a lairy bright green or yellow to match the driving experience.
Sounds like Hyundai did a great job. I just can't get my head around spending 28 grand on one.
Saw one yesterday - helps that the dealer is just down the road.Sounds like Hyundai did a great job. I just can't get my head around spending 28 grand on one.
Actually the blue wasn't too bad - different and what caught my eye amongst the other cars.
It could be worse - think Audi - think grey !
D200 said:
28k seems a bit pricey, it’s just slightly cheaper than competition but needs to be significantly cheaper or much better to compete rightly or wrongly, with the established competition.
No it absolutely doesn't, because that would be admitting defeat - stating that they can compete with the opposition and better them on product quality but will always be subservient due to brand image.The only people who think Hyundais and KIAs should be 'cheap' are people stuck in the 1990's. Quality products that are now going head to head with the competition deserve to be recognised in their own right.
Absolutely the above. My Dad recently compared it to when the Japanese cars were starting to really up their game back in the 80s.
It’ll be the Chinese next. In 20 years time don’t be surprised to find the likes of the of the European manufacturers really struggling to compete with the well priced and well made electric cars coming out of China.
It’ll be the Chinese next. In 20 years time don’t be surprised to find the likes of the of the European manufacturers really struggling to compete with the well priced and well made electric cars coming out of China.
r11co said:
No it absolutely doesn't, because that would be admitting defeat - stating that they can compete with the opposition and better them on product quality but will always be subservient due to brand image.
The only people who think Hyundais and KIAs should be 'cheap' are people stuck in the 1990's. Quality products that are now going head to head with the competition deserve to be recognised in their own right.
Just 90% of car buying public thenThe only people who think Hyundais and KIAs should be 'cheap' are people stuck in the 1990's. Quality products that are now going head to head with the competition deserve to be recognised in their own right.
You can get a focus ST1 for 22k so I think this Hyundai at 28k very overpriced.
Pricing it at 28k they are not admitting defeat but shooting themselves in the foot
D200 said:
You can get a focus ST1 for 22k so I think this Hyundai at 28k very overpriced.
From the reviews coming in, I get the impression the Hyundai is in a completely different league than the ST. Purchase price is irrelevant anyway given that less than 20% of new cars in the UK are actually bought by their initial keeper. It'll be lease/PCP prices which make or (more likely) break it in the UK.
Given the amount of time and effort that they spent developing this car, it would be a complete waste to price it cheaper than they have done, if you ask me. I'm also not sure that it is overpriced for what you're getting, really.
The issue is how you buy one. The SEAT has the typical fast-VAG lease deals, that are an absolute steal. Hyundai will, no doubt, properly struggle to compete here. We will just have to see what happens, early next year.
The issue is how you buy one. The SEAT has the typical fast-VAG lease deals, that are an absolute steal. Hyundai will, no doubt, properly struggle to compete here. We will just have to see what happens, early next year.
I think a lot of people are not grasping the fact that’s its more expensive than a focus ST because it’s considerably better than one.
Why undersell sell it? Yeah ok it may struggle due to badge snobbery but the only way to turn that around is to build quality cars and charge for them. It takes time, but it’s worked for Skoda.
Why undersell sell it? Yeah ok it may struggle due to badge snobbery but the only way to turn that around is to build quality cars and charge for them. It takes time, but it’s worked for Skoda.
I'm sure in the UK's badge-obsessed market they're got their eyes more on the next generation of cars if not the one after that. I think we'll see Hyundai viewed in very much the same vein as Honda within the next 10 or 15 years. kambites said:
From the reviews coming in, I get the impression the Hyundai is in a completely different league than the ST.
Purchase price is irrelevant anyway given that less than 20% of new cars in the UK are actually bought by their initial keeper. It'll be lease/PCP prices which make or (more likely) break it in the UK.
I will wait until I read comparison reviews with all competition rather than speculate Purchase price is irrelevant anyway given that less than 20% of new cars in the UK are actually bought by their initial keeper. It'll be lease/PCP prices which make or (more likely) break it in the UK.
So it’s up to 6k more than the ST so it needs to be massively better in every single way. I doubt it is.
It same order price as a Golf GTI too
Ultimate handling capabilities, while supposedly important to many ph readers, not as vital to car buying public. Many other things come into play
Price is still relevant as pcp lease prices are based on price (among other things)
D200 said:
I doubt it is.
This is obviously you're prerogative. 
However comparing the performance pack version of the i30 to the Focus ST seems a bit unfair given that the non-PP Hyundai has the same power output as the Ford. So comparing list to list for comparable cars, you're looking at £23400 for the Ford vs £25000 for the Hyundai. Now spec the Focus up to match the standard spec of the Hyundai...
Edited by kambites on Thursday 7th December 08:48
I think from Hyundai's point of view, it needs to be priced competitively, but not too cheap as it might be dismissed as being half arsed. At £28k I doubt there is much profit for Hyundai given the R&D cost would be spread over a much smaller number of units than VAG clones, Ford and Honda.
It is worth remembering that the spec at base cost is far better than the competition. I expect once you have specced up your Golf GTi or Focus ST to match the i30N, the better value option might well be the i30N.
It will be interesting to see what the finance deals turn out to be. If Hyundai are smart, they will subsidise the finance deals so they can match the competition. It is less about profit at this stage and more about building the brand.
It is worth remembering that the spec at base cost is far better than the competition. I expect once you have specced up your Golf GTi or Focus ST to match the i30N, the better value option might well be the i30N.
It will be interesting to see what the finance deals turn out to be. If Hyundai are smart, they will subsidise the finance deals so they can match the competition. It is less about profit at this stage and more about building the brand.
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