RE: Volkswagen Polo GTI: Driven
Discussion
johnwilliams77 said:
No
2 x FWD, true epitome of a pistonhead
No, it seems you are a guy who doesn't even know which wheels are driven on cars... 2 x FWD, true epitome of a pistonhead
a true pistonhead.....or apparently not it would seem.2 x awd cars and 1x fwd track car.
What cars do you drive? And what do you have for the track oh mighty pistonheader?
Is this Polo RWD or something?
You are coming off as quite the fool. Owning a fwd car means you are not a PHer? Durrr
Edited by Ahbefive on Thursday 7th December 18:31
big_rob_sydney said:
Underwhelmed
About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.
If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.
Progress is measured across the board. Next time you're 'going faster' in your 20 yr old Impreza try crashing into a tree. Then do the same in this Polo. Oh, wait.................. try the Polo first.About the only thing in "performance terms" that ~20 years of development have given us, is slower times, and better fuel economy.
If that's what you call progress, then I suggest VW go back to the drawing board.
Ahbefive said:
johnwilliams77 said:
No
2 x FWD, true epitome of a pistonhead
No, it seems you are a guy who doesn't even know which wheels are driven on cars... 2 x FWD, true epitome of a pistonhead
a true pistonhead.....or apparently not it would seem.2 x awd cars and 1x fwd track car.
What cars do you drive? And what do you have for the track oh mighty pistonheader?
Is this Polo RWD or something?
You are coming off as quite the fool. Owning a fwd car means you are not a PHer? Durrr
Edited by Ahbefive on Thursday 7th December 18:31
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
J4CKO said:
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I think you're right. This is a decent small hatch with a bit of poke. It will mainly be bought by middle aged peole who want a small hatch, but only if it is the top of the range one. I have never seen a Polo Gti driven any faster than you could drive a standard polo 1.2. Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I appreciate my evidence is anecdotal.
J4CKO said:
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I will be interested to read the reviews of the new SSS when it arrives - same weight as an old Saxo VTS and 20 more powers
talksthetorque said:
J4CKO said:
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I think you're right. This is a decent small hatch with a bit of poke. It will mainly be bought by middle aged peole who want a small hatch, but only if it is the top of the range one. I have never seen a Polo Gti driven any faster than you could drive a standard polo 1.2. Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I appreciate my evidence is anecdotal.
and anyway, whats wrong with being middle aged ? liek you forget how to enjoy cars by the time you can afford them and just buy the most expensive one by default ? is it not just because you have more cash ? well I will in two years when I am not spending £1000 plus a month on Uni stuff.I would have one, not sure I would spend 20 grand on one but was driving my eldest sons Fiesta ST at the weekend, brilliant little car. These mid range hatches now have Sierra Cosworth power levels and scope for plenty more, great fun and do all the mundane stuff well.
If I was spending 20k it would probably be a lightly used 135i but this is actually, probably enough car, I think we tend to over buy on here.
J4CKO said:
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
Please don't derail the thread with your positivity :-)Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
J4CKO said:
talksthetorque said:
J4CKO said:
I bet its actually a great package, but obviously lets have a moan about night on 200 bhp small(ish) hatches, but then we moan that hot hatches are too big and 4wd nowadays to be fun.
Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I think you're right. This is a decent small hatch with a bit of poke. It will mainly be bought by middle aged peole who want a small hatch, but only if it is the top of the range one. I have never seen a Polo Gti driven any faster than you could drive a standard polo 1.2. Do you ever think we put too much thought into all this, I bet it does loads of things really well, not going to be the last word in anything but I reckon it will be a really good all rounder.
I appreciate my evidence is anecdotal.
and anyway, whats wrong with being middle aged ? liek you forget how to enjoy cars by the time you can afford them and just buy the most expensive one by default ? is it not just because you have more cash ? well I will in two years when I am not spending £1000 plus a month on Uni stuff.I would have one, not sure I would spend 20 grand on one but was driving my eldest sons Fiesta ST at the weekend, brilliant little car. These mid range hatches now have Sierra Cosworth power levels and scope for plenty more, great fun and do all the mundane stuff well.
If I was spending 20k it would probably be a lightly used 135i but this is actually, probably enough car, I think we tend to over buy on here.
The missus just got a golf gti after finding a mini childish. But she's four years older than me 
As for overbuying, Pah.
I'm the classic 20k miles a year business traveller so obviously I went out and got a 1.6 diesel for economy.
Edited by talksthetorque on Thursday 7th December 21:47
anthonysjb said:
Too heavy. Be sticking to my 240bhp 1165kg ST.
When you adjust manufacturers figures they are very close I think:Ford claim the ST weighs 1163kg EU yet Autocar weighed the ST2 at 1200kg with a full tank and no driver so ~1275kg by EU standard. This Polo without the EU allowance comes in at 1280kg but is bigger overall and has a DSG gearbox and 2.0 litre engine that add notable weight I would think. (possibly more could be added to this like bigger brakes/wheels etc?)
I wish a car mag or PH would do a feature on car weights and publish figures for a range of cars. A comparison to older/previous models might help too.
AgentZ said:
When you adjust manufacturers figures they are very close I think:
Ford claim the ST weighs 1163kg EU yet Autocar weighed the ST2 at 1200kg with a full tank and no driver so ~1275kg by EU standard. This Polo without the EU allowance comes in at 1280kg but is bigger overall and has a DSG gearbox and 2.0 litre engine that add notable weight I would think. (possibly more could be added to this like bigger brakes/wheels etc?)
I wish a car mag or PH would do a feature on car weights and publish figures for a range of cars. A comparison to older/previous models might help too.
As you said, Autocar publish claimed/actual weights Ford claim the ST weighs 1163kg EU yet Autocar weighed the ST2 at 1200kg with a full tank and no driver so ~1275kg by EU standard. This Polo without the EU allowance comes in at 1280kg but is bigger overall and has a DSG gearbox and 2.0 litre engine that add notable weight I would think. (possibly more could be added to this like bigger brakes/wheels etc?)
I wish a car mag or PH would do a feature on car weights and publish figures for a range of cars. A comparison to older/previous models might help too.
They've published the weight for as long as I can remember in the road tests. MOTOR used to as well before they merged with Autocar
EVO and CAR often publish an actual weight too at the moment.
Seem more relevant than the current trend for manufacturer "dry weights"
s m said:
AgentZ said:
When you adjust manufacturers figures they are very close I think:
Ford claim the ST weighs 1163kg EU yet Autocar weighed the ST2 at 1200kg with a full tank and no driver so ~1275kg by EU standard. This Polo without the EU allowance comes in at 1280kg but is bigger overall and has a DSG gearbox and 2.0 litre engine that add notable weight I would think. (possibly more could be added to this like bigger brakes/wheels etc?)
I wish a car mag or PH would do a feature on car weights and publish figures for a range of cars. A comparison to older/previous models might help too.
As you said, Autocar publish claimed/actual weights Ford claim the ST weighs 1163kg EU yet Autocar weighed the ST2 at 1200kg with a full tank and no driver so ~1275kg by EU standard. This Polo without the EU allowance comes in at 1280kg but is bigger overall and has a DSG gearbox and 2.0 litre engine that add notable weight I would think. (possibly more could be added to this like bigger brakes/wheels etc?)
I wish a car mag or PH would do a feature on car weights and publish figures for a range of cars. A comparison to older/previous models might help too.
They've published the weight for as long as I can remember in the road tests. MOTOR used to as well before they merged with Autocar
EVO and CAR often publish an actual weight too at the moment.
Seem more relevant than the current trend for manufacturer "dry weights"
I can't remember which car it was but Autocar did praise one car recently-ish for coming in under the manufacturer claimed weight but they failed to realise/care that it was because the claimed weight was to EU standard whilst there own standard isn't (no 75kg for driver/luggage).
I think a specific feature article going into detail about car weights and the perception, correct or not, that cars are getting relatively fatter would be interesting. I think cars generally are getting lighter relative to size/spec/safety etc to be honest.
AgentZ said:
I think cars generally are getting lighter relative to size/spec/safety etc to be honest.
yes, but they're getting bigger even if their weight isn't increasing at the same rate.modern cars in a given class are bigger, heavier and you can feel it when driving. We've lost a whole class of sub-tonne hatchbacks that were fun in part because of their lightweight, not because they were better in any other way (they weren't).
modern cars are so good in so many ways but we're not fully benefitting from a better driving experience.
daemon said:
struttob said:
Bloating of the best order - bigger than a Mk 1 Golf !!
Bob
Cars get bigger shocker.....Bob
Just think how much quicker it could have been if it had been the same size (weight) as the original Polo ! as somebody quite clever at designing fast and great handling cars once said "add lightness"
Bob
struttob said:
daemon said:
struttob said:
Bloating of the best order - bigger than a Mk 1 Golf !!
Bob
Cars get bigger shocker.....Bob
Just think how much quicker it could have been if it had been the same size (weight) as the original Polo ! as somebody quite clever at designing fast and great handling cars once said "add lightness"
Bob
VW are a different brand now. They're not about making the most engaging cars to drive, but simply great all-rounders.
This new Polo GTI is no exception and they will practically give them away on very cheap leas/PCP/finance deals.
andrewparker said:
Wonder why they gave it the old 6 speed DSG 'box rather than the 7 speed 'box you get in the current Golf GTI.
wet clutch was decided to be better vs dry clutch in this car apparently (54minute video review posted in the PH VW forum).the only main gripe I have with my current VW Polo GTI is the lack of front end grip. The widening of the front track was absolutely a requirement for the new car.
the thought of 200hp+ in a Polo is nice, the reality is the car can't take it without wider track and much bigger front tyres which would require flared wheel-arches as per the Polo rally car.
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Friday 8th December 09:42
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