RE: Alpine A110: Driven
Discussion
DukeDickson said:
HighwayStar said:
DukeDickson said:
Braver man than me. The negative air-con is one thing, but the strident price as well, while being less than inspiring in other ways would definitely see the cash not leaving the bank.
Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Seriously!!! Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Edited by DukeDickson on Monday 2nd April 01:09
If we were talking about a Golf and an Audi TT then yes but the A110 a messed about Megan on a frock!!! Completely different cars in lay out and construction with only the same 1.8T and a few interior parts...
Totally clueless... D-.
I'm obviously assuming you are fully aware of platform costs
Come back....
You haven't surfaced since we provide evidence that the A110 isn't based on a 'messed about' and reversed Megane platform.
HighwayStar said:
DukeDickson said:
HighwayStar said:
DukeDickson said:
Braver man than me. The negative air-con is one thing, but the strident price as well, while being less than inspiring in other ways would definitely see the cash not leaving the bank.
Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Seriously!!! Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Edited by DukeDickson on Monday 2nd April 01:09
If we were talking about a Golf and an Audi TT then yes but the A110 a messed about Megan on a frock!!! Completely different cars in lay out and construction with only the same 1.8T and a few interior parts...
Totally clueless... D-.
I'm obviously assuming you are fully aware of platform costs
Come back....
You haven't surfaced since we provide evidence that the A110 isn't based on a 'messed about' and reversed Megane platform.
https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2017-0...
If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
The original A110 was based heavily on running gear of the R8 and Dauphine, and that didn't stop it from being a cracking car. I haven't heard anyone complaining that it's just and R8 with a frock... I guess badge snobbery was not as common back then as it is today...
The new A110 has less in common with Renault production models compared to its predecessor, so anyone claiming that is clearly full of s
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The new A110 has less in common with Renault production models compared to its predecessor, so anyone claiming that is clearly full of s
t.deltashad said:
https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2017-0...
If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
deltashad said:
https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2017-0...
If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
Now that's a car, and cheap as chips too!If I wanted something french and exotic I'd rather spend 15k on one of these.
Looks like the M2 Competition Pack is going to be around the same price point.
Two very different takes on the £50k coupe!
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
Suspect that these will appear to different communities but interesting to compare all the same.
Two very different takes on the £50k coupe!
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
Suspect that these will appear to different communities but interesting to compare all the same.
Helicopter123 said:
Looks like the M2 Competition Pack is going to be around the same price point.
Two very different takes on the £50k coupe!
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
Suspect that these will appear to different communities but interesting to compare all the same.
The M2 and the 718 Cayman have featured in head to head tests before now, so I think some Cayman buyers may be tempted - the ordinary M2 came a closer second to the 718 than to the previous generation of Cayman. Perhaps not so much of interest to Alpine buyers.Two very different takes on the £50k coupe!
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/bmw...
Suspect that these will appear to different communities but interesting to compare all the same.
HighwayStar said:
DukeDickson said:
HighwayStar said:
DukeDickson said:
Braver man than me. The negative air-con is one thing, but the strident price as well, while being less than inspiring in other ways would definitely see the cash not leaving the bank.
Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Seriously!!! Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.
Edited by DukeDickson on Monday 2nd April 01:09
If we were talking about a Golf and an Audi TT then yes but the A110 a messed about Megan on a frock!!! Completely different cars in lay out and construction with only the same 1.8T and a few interior parts...
Totally clueless... D-.
I'm obviously assuming you are fully aware of platform costs
Come back....
You haven't surfaced since we provide evidence that the A110 isn't based on a 'messed about' and reversed Megane platform.
There is a test drive report from a 981 Boxster GTS owner here http://img110.xooimage.com/files/8/0/e/capture-d-e... which was of great interest to me. It's only the result of a 15 minute drive so one shouldn't read too much into it - but he is clearly very very impressed. He has a PE on order and says that the car is everything he hoped for and more. It's quite a bit more analytical but he was afflicted with a banana (grinning from ear to ear in French) and even thought the gearbox was better than PDK (he might be getting ahead of himself there - no-one else seems to think so)
All in all, if not conclusive, at least very encouraging given his present car.
All in all, if not conclusive, at least very encouraging given his present car.
About Alpine's Policy; from one of the FAR member. Looks like he's right.
Google translate :
Tell yourself that all this (deadlines, lack of com, etc ....) is expertly orchestrated. This is part of modern communication techniques that mean that the less we talk about a product, the more it deviates desirable. I do not necessarily subscribe to these methods, but hey, we are at a time when everything is sifted to the detriment of the human ....
We could almost make the parallel with a coveted lady who is absent to be better desired? You will recognize that it works, right?
About coveted lady, a little joke:
He is a gentleman who says to his friend: "It annoys me women who do not want to sleep the first night".
The other: "you should be happy, it proves that they are not easy women".
The first: "Yes but you have to wait all day" ........
Google translate :
Tell yourself that all this (deadlines, lack of com, etc ....) is expertly orchestrated. This is part of modern communication techniques that mean that the less we talk about a product, the more it deviates desirable. I do not necessarily subscribe to these methods, but hey, we are at a time when everything is sifted to the detriment of the human ....
We could almost make the parallel with a coveted lady who is absent to be better desired? You will recognize that it works, right?
About coveted lady, a little joke:
He is a gentleman who says to his friend: "It annoys me women who do not want to sleep the first night".
The other: "you should be happy, it proves that they are not easy women".
The first: "Yes but you have to wait all day" ........
Didzz said:
About Alpine's Policy; from one of the FAR member. Looks like he's right.
Google translate :
Tell yourself that all this (deadlines, lack of com, etc ....) is expertly orchestrated. This is part of modern communication techniques that mean that the less we talk about a product, the more it deviates desirable. I do not necessarily subscribe to these methods, but hey, we are at a time when everything is sifted to the detriment of the human ....
We could almost make the parallel with a coveted lady who is absent to be better desired? You will recognize that it works, right?
About coveted lady, a little joke:
He is a gentleman who says to his friend: "It annoys me women who do not want to sleep the first night".
The other: "you should be happy, it proves that they are not easy women".
The first: "Yes but you have to wait all day" ........
Not sure he is quite right. There seems no doubt to me that feeding the press titbits from time to time has certainly been a policy to keep column inches flowing (and it's been pretty successful). In other areas I think it's just been the case that they didn't know - even when they have given delivery dates they have proved optimistic. In some cases they have been undecided - the spec of the Pure and Legend have obviously been fluid, and even now prices of extras is undecided (or in the UK's case ALL prices).Google translate :
Tell yourself that all this (deadlines, lack of com, etc ....) is expertly orchestrated. This is part of modern communication techniques that mean that the less we talk about a product, the more it deviates desirable. I do not necessarily subscribe to these methods, but hey, we are at a time when everything is sifted to the detriment of the human ....
We could almost make the parallel with a coveted lady who is absent to be better desired? You will recognize that it works, right?
About coveted lady, a little joke:
He is a gentleman who says to his friend: "It annoys me women who do not want to sleep the first night".
The other: "you should be happy, it proves that they are not easy women".
The first: "Yes but you have to wait all day" ........
I think pricing, in particular, is a sensitive area - in the case of the Pure and Legend they won't actually going to be delivering until towards the end of the year. I'm sure they are watching the competition (Porsche in particular) in case they make some move on pricing or equipment levels so they maintain some wriggle room, in the form or the pricing of extras, to remain competitve.
In the case of the fire they were just silly to let speculation run rife. They should have been quick to point out that they had found the fault and all production cars had been rectified prior to any customer delivery.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 16th April 16:00
DDg said:
. It's not an intimidating car.
Interesting turn of phrase. I'm not quite sure what you mean -but I hope I do. I know I'm going to sound a bit silly now - but here goes. My problem with the 981 is that it isn't a car that engages you - you definitely have to make the first move. A Caterham or (to a lesser extent to me) an Elise sucks you in -even at low speed. So even if you didn't really feel like driving, they MAKE you. Steering is clearly a factor - and I don't think the Alpine sounds like anything like a match on that score - but so does a car that reacts to the throttle. Not just foot down (the 718 is good in that regard) but lift off - the way that the best FWD cars allow you to get the nose into the apex.
No-one so far has really painted a picture (to me) of what the car is really like - light and fun is a very good start though.
bcr5784 said:
DDg said:
. It's not an intimidating car.
Interesting turn of phrase. I'm not quite sure what you mean -but I hope I do. I know I'm going to sound a bit silly now - but here goes. My problem with the 981 is that it isn't a car that engages you - you definitely have to make the first move. A Caterham or (to a lesser extent to me) an Elise sucks you in -even at low speed. So even if you didn't really feel like driving, they MAKE you. Steering is clearly a factor - and I don't think the Alpine sounds like anything like a match on that score - but so does a car that reacts to the throttle. Not just foot down (the 718 is good in that regard) but lift off - the way that the best FWD cars allow you to get the nose into the apex.
No-one so far has really painted a picture (to me) of what the car is really like - light and fun is a very good start though.
HighwayStar said:
Is that all 981 models are a specific one...? just curious
Primarily my 981S (on different sets of tyres) - but I've driven a few others (both S and none S and on track). In all honesty (though I'm not a fan) the 718 is (to me) more engaging, I couldn't put up with the engine, but "on it" on a give and take road or on track I'd find it more fun. Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 16th April 21:32
bcr5784 said:
Not sure he is quite right. There seems no doubt to me that feeding the press titbits from time to time has certainly been a policy to keep column inches flowing (and it's been pretty successful). In other areas I think it's just been the case that they didn't know - even when they have given delivery dates they have proved optimistic. In some cases they have been undecided - the spec of the Pure and Legend have obviously been fluid, and even now prices of extras is undecided (or in the UK's case ALL prices).
I think pricing, in particular, is a sensitive area - in the case of the Pure and Legend they won't actually going to be delivering until towards the end of the year. I'm sure they are watching the competition (Porsche in particular) in case they make some move on pricing or equipment levels so they maintain some wriggle room, in the form or the pricing of extras, to remain competitve.
In the case of the fire they were just silly to let speculation run rife. They should have been quick to point out that they had found the fault and all production cars had been rectified prior to any customer delivery.
Agree on all this. Part of me thinks the app is a missed opportunity for communication, although I'm sure that is part of the future plan I imagine those that have had reservations for a while feel very much in the dark.I think pricing, in particular, is a sensitive area - in the case of the Pure and Legend they won't actually going to be delivering until towards the end of the year. I'm sure they are watching the competition (Porsche in particular) in case they make some move on pricing or equipment levels so they maintain some wriggle room, in the form or the pricing of extras, to remain competitve.
In the case of the fire they were just silly to let speculation run rife. They should have been quick to point out that they had found the fault and all production cars had been rectified prior to any customer delivery.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 16th April 16:00
Will be interesting to see what is announced about pricing soon, now that the initial UK dealer training has happened last week. There were a couple of videos and photos on Instagram, it looked good fun at least!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhbZGChgwOR/
(Assume links like this are allowed!)
Interesting to hear your opinion on the 981S. I still keep my eyes open for the right/good spec GTS, and whilst I've not tried a 718 yet, it is certainly not without much appeal. I like how the Alpine might, just might, bridge the gap between those and an Elise for me.
bcr5784 said:
HighwayStar said:
Is that all 981 models are a specific one...? just curious
Primarily my 981S (on different sets of tyres) - but I've driven a few others (both S and none S and on track). In all honesty (though I'm not a fan) the 718 is (to me) more engaging, I couldn't put up with the engine, but "on it" on a give and take road or on track I'd find it more fun. Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 16th April 21:32
I get it’s extra grunt will work the chassis harder though. At least there’s options out there for people to find what they want...
Agreed re FWD through... still miss my old French hot hatches.
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