RE: Alpine A110: Driven

[ExPat2B]

So a Porsche Cayman is faster, steers better, has a manual gearbox and appears to have twenty times the development budget with a much nicer interior and switchgear, a better dealer network and I am guessing will cost less to finance due to better resale value.

Why on earth would you buy it ?

[HighwayStar]

DukeDickson said:

Braver man than me. The negative air-con is one thing, but the strident price as well, while being less than inspiring in other ways would definitely see the cash not leaving the bank.


Needs more IMHO. Either a love of all things French, or something exciting or unique. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough.

Edited by DukeDickson on Monday 2nd April 01:09

Seriously!!!

If we were talking about a Golf and an Audi TT then yes but the A110 a messed about Megan on a frock!!! Completely different cars in lay out and construction with only the same 1.8T and a few interior parts...
Totally clueless... D-.

[Ruskins]

No Porsche has ever caught fire spontaneously.

[jimbo761]

The Renault build (and badge) would put me off one of these. I applaud any car like this coming into the segment, but whether a fair comment or not people’s perception of the Porsche badge vs the Renault will impact on residuals imo. 3 year old Renault or 3 year old Porsche? I know which I’d rather buy...

Like the 4C the price seems wrong as well. At £30k is a viable proposition. At £50k for a Renault not so much.

Edited by jimbo761 on Monday 2nd April 08:32

[Butter Face]

jimbo761 said:

The Renault build (and badge) would put me off one of these. I applaud any car like this coming into the segment, but whether a fair comment or not people’s perception of the Porsche badge vs the Renault will impact on residuals imo. 3 year old Renault or 3 year old Porsche? I know which I’d rather buy...

There’s not a single renault badge on the car

Do you see VW badges on a Cayman?

Honestly the level of idiocy in this place sometimes

[Butter Face]

Ruskins said:

No Porsche has ever caught fire spontaneously.

First hit on google for ‘Porsche catching fire’

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/site...

[Ruskins]

Butter Face said:

Ruskins said:

No Porsche has ever caught fire spontaneously.

First hit on google for ‘Porsche catching fire’

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/site...

Guess that puts paid to Porches unimpeachable reliability record then.

[jimbo761]

Butter Face said:

jimbo761 said:

The Renault build (and badge) would put me off one of these. I applaud any car like this coming into the segment, but whether a fair comment or not people’s perception of the Porsche badge vs the Renault will impact on residuals imo. 3 year old Renault or 3 year old Porsche? I know which I’d rather buy...

There’s not a single renault badge on the car

Do you see VW badges on a Cayman?

Honestly the level of idiocy in this place sometimes

Am talking about brand perception, clearly you missed that... The Alpine / Renault relationship is pretty obvious and clearly stated in all the reviews.

Would still rather have a VW over a Renault any day of the week !

Honestly, it amazes me how some people are so retarded.

How’s that Type R working out for you by the way ? Maybe if you got a proper job you could afford to buy a proper sports car...

Edited by jimbo761 on Monday 2nd April 08:58

[DoubleD]

I must admit that I also missed the bit where you said brand perception

[KTF]

Helicopter123 said:

Teflon balls required to spend real money on one of these over a Cayman S.

Some people might not want a Porsche or may already have one. At least they have the option now.

[bob2146]

Nanook said:

You slagged someone's car, your opinion is invalid.

Handbags! Lol. I must’ve missed the bit where he “slagged someone’s car” .

It is possible to talk about an issue without stating it directly but maybe that goes over the heads of some of the people here.

For what it’s worth I very much like the look of the A110, May even test drive one if I get the chance. But investing in a Renault (or whatever the hell it’s badged) over the Porsche is definitely a brave move Imho...

[Quickmoose]

Badge snobbery/ignorance still very much alive I see.... unless I’m missing some obtuse inference?

Could it possibly be that the Porsche(VAG), the Alpine A110 (Renault) and even the Alfa 4C (FCA) are all good? In quite different ways?
Could it be that spec for spec the Cayman S is more expensive?
Perhaps due to smaller production numbers the less obvious choices will not depreciate like stones...?
Perhaps buyers look for different things in a £50k sports car? No really that’s entirely possible...

And handbags or not, pulling in a contributor’s car to make a point means your point is lacking... the owner of a Fiat Multipla has an opinion as valid as the one who owns a Rolls..., it’s dick move.
I don’t believe anyone is really saying one car is ‘better’ than the other in this case...so it’s entirely unnecessary to be so aggy about it.

The Alpine is a Renault product, so what? RS have proved themselves adept. It’s not a dressed up Megane, (and even if it were....)
And many many more exclusive cars have combusted very publicly...

Love this market segment. Would love to be making the choice for real. Porsche have been there for decades so for Alfa and Alpine to enter it so str strongly from the off... just good news right?

[nickfrog]

Butter Face said:

DukeDickson said:

. A messed about Mégane RS in a nice frock isn't enough

What?

What a ridiculous thing to write.

You're being kind actually. When you think you're read it all on PH, then boom this comes along.

[bob2146]

Quickmoose said:

Badge snobbery/ignorance still very much alive I see.... unless I’m missing some obtuse inference?

the owner of a Fiat Multipla has an opinion as valid as the one who owns a Rolls...

Lol, not sure I agree with that... if you drive a Multipla something has clearly gone very wrong for you at some point in life, or you have absolutely no taste in cars. Unfair or not I’m inclined to give his opinion slightly less weight... not that there’s anything wrong with a type r ?

[Quickmoose]

Exactly.

Also, whilst the Mutipla may well be ugly to most people's eyes, it seated 6 in the same footprint as most 4/5 seaters, and had lovely big windows....it was actually quite an interesting idea..... anyway...
My point (explained better by Nanook) is that judging based on a poster’s garage undermines your credibility.

Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 2nd April 10:37

[bob2146]

Nanook said:

I know a chap with a Multipla.

Great family car.

He also owns a Morgan, a Skoda, an Audi, a van, a race transporter and a couple of race cars.

One of my best mates is a professional stunt driver, and race car driver, yet his daily is a diesel Fiesta.

Don't be so narrow minded, PH is a broad church and all that jazz.

Maybe if he puts just Morgan and Audi on his profile then people will listen to what he says..

Does cut nicely to the heart of the badge snobbery argument however ...

[bob2146]

Quickmoose said:

Exactly.

Also, whilst the Mutipla maybwell be ugly to most oeople’s eyes, it seated 6 in the same footprint as most 4/5 seaters, and had lovely big windows....it was actually quite an interesting idea..... anyway...
My point (explained better by Nanook) is that judging based on a poster’s garage undermines your credibility...

Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 2nd April 10:31

Come on. The multipla is one of the ugliest POS ever seen on the roads. Surely any car has to be better than driving that monstrosity.. No matter how bad things are there have to be better options out there. The fact they couldn’t find one leads me to very much doubt their credibility.

Badge, whether on the car or not will still count. I agree the more cars like the a110 are produced the better, but to ignore the handicap of being built by Renault and also trying to sell one for 50 grand plus is not the best sales strategy imho.

Edited by bob2146 on Monday 2nd April 10:42

[Krikkit]

bob2146 said:

Quickmoose said:

Exactly.

Also, whilst the Mutipla maybwell be ugly to most oeople’s eyes, it seated 6 in the same footprint as most 4/5 seaters, and had lovely big windows....it was actually quite an interesting idea..... anyway...
My point (explained better by Nanook) is that judging based on a poster’s garage undermines your credibility...

Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 2nd April 10:31

Come on. The multipla is one of the ugliest POS ever seen on the roads. Surely any car has to be better than driving that monstrosity.. No matter how bad things are there have to be better options out there. The fact they couldn’t find one leads me to very much doubt their credibility.

I like it - as a functional piece of design it's very clever. It's not sharp and aggressive which seems to be the direction pretty much every design philosophy has gone since then, but it filled a brief.

[HTP99]

Nanook said:

bob2146 said:

Lol, not sure I agree with that... if you drive a Multipla something has clearly gone very wrong for you at some point in life, or you have absolutely no taste in cars. Unfair or not I’m inclined to give his opinion slightly less weight... not that there’s anything wrong with a type r ?

I know a chap with a Multipla.

Great family car.

He also owns a Morgan, a Skoda, an Audi, a van, a race transporter and a couple of race cars.

One of my best mates is a professional stunt driver, and race car driver, yet his daily is a diesel Fiesta.

Don't be so narrow minded, PH is a broad church and all that jazz.

In 2014, after he stopped being the Mercedes F1 third/test driver a certain well known driver came in to the dealership that I work in to test drive a used Clio 1.2, he needed it by the end of the week as he needed wheels because he was racing the Ferrari endurance championship; I guess his Mercedes company car had to go back.

On new car launches/training, I encounter many professional drivers, many of them have very boring run of the mill cars, one that stuck in my mind had a battered Corolla, it never let her down and did the job of getting her from one job to another, she said she got her kicks out of driving fast on a track.

Wasn't Gordon Murrays daily a Smart car or something similar?

Edited by HTP99 on Monday 2nd April 10:53

[l354uge]

Krikkit said:

bob2146 said:

Quickmoose said:

Exactly.

Also, whilst the Mutipla maybwell be ugly to most oeople’s eyes, it seated 6 in the same footprint as most 4/5 seaters, and had lovely big windows....it was actually quite an interesting idea..... anyway...
My point (explained better by Nanook) is that judging based on a poster’s garage undermines your credibility...

Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 2nd April 10:31

Come on. The multipla is one of the ugliest POS ever seen on the roads. Surely any car has to be better than driving that monstrosity.. No matter how bad things are there have to be better options out there. The fact they couldn’t find one leads me to very much doubt their credibility.

I like it - as a functional piece of design it's very clever. It's not sharp and aggressive which seems to be the direction pretty much every design philosophy has gone since then, but it filled a brief.

Its much better looking than the anonymous facelift. Negating someones opinion because they own a car you find ugly is utterly mental, people like different things, people need different things from their cars, doesn't make them a lesser person. I know someone with a bright yellow Juke, hideous abomination of a car in my eyes but hes a great bloke. Also know someone with a lovely red 911, hes an arse.