RE: Gunther Werks 400R: Driven
Discussion
Jonesy23 said:
"Gunther Werks"?
Are people seriously still going for those stupid fake Germanic names?
The product is nice but they've used a crap brand for it.
They could have called it ‘steaming pile of sAre people seriously still going for those stupid fake Germanic names?
The product is nice but they've used a crap brand for it.
te’, it’d still be an awesome package.Singer? My nana used to use those as a machinist to make clothes, didn’t stop them building a very successful brand and product offering.
bozzy. said:
No interior pictures!?
I’d have one in my lottery win garage for sure. It’s stunning to my eyes.
No idea why I’m championing this so much but hey ho.I’d have one in my lottery win garage for sure. It’s stunning to my eyes.
I’ve followed this on fb for months, the work that’s gone into it is impressive.
See here:
http://guntherwerks.com/gallery
PunterCam said:
I keep thinking these heavily modified cars will be worthless in a few years... People will be buying them on the cheap to convert them back to standard.
I don't actually get the appeal.. I understand a restoration job - getting all the panel gaps perfect, stunning paint job, interior re-trim - but a different body, different gearbox, different engine... Pointless in my book.
No,they wont.Nobody is going to throw away the carbon panels,flared arches,exquisite interior furnishing,dials,seats,forged air-cooled engine,wheels and so on and restore them back to a narrow body Carrera 993 with a plastic interior,rusty body,panels,suspension,exhaust,etc.I don't actually get the appeal.. I understand a restoration job - getting all the panel gaps perfect, stunning paint job, interior re-trim - but a different body, different gearbox, different engine... Pointless in my book.
The only 993 that is worth preserving in original condition is the GT2.
Edited by mainaman on Sunday 10th December 05:28
mainaman said:
PunterCam said:
I keep thinking these heavily modified cars will be worthless in a few years... People will be buying them on the cheap to convert them back to standard.
I don't actually get the appeal.. I understand a restoration job - getting all the panel gaps perfect, stunning paint job, interior re-trim - but a different body, different gearbox, different engine... Pointless in my book.
No,they wont.Nobody is going to throw away the carbon panels,flared arches,exquisite interior furnishing,dials,seats,forged air-cooled engine,wheels and so on and restore them back to a narrow body Carrera 993 with a plastic interior,rusty body,panels,suspension,exhaust,etc.I don't actually get the appeal.. I understand a restoration job - getting all the panel gaps perfect, stunning paint job, interior re-trim - but a different body, different gearbox, different engine... Pointless in my book.
The only 993 that is worth preserving in original condition is the GT2.
I'd love to have kept it, but I sold it 11 years ago. If I still had it I'd send it to Gunther and let them do a 400R conversion to the mechanicals (and only the mechanicals)
Slippydiff said:
You think ? Here's my old 993 RS ....
I'd love to have kept it, but I sold it 11 years ago. If I still had it I'd send it to Gunther and let them do a 400R conversion to the mechanicals (and only the mechanicals)
Well,and the RS,of course I'd love to have kept it, but I sold it 11 years ago. If I still had it I'd send it to Gunther and let them do a 400R conversion to the mechanicals (and only the mechanicals)
The others are just donor material.The likes of Singer and Vorsteiner's offshoot keep the classic/retro looks,so the cars are not going to date in the future.
I am rather fond of the Ruf CTR 3,which together with the CGT and a Singer are the most desirable Porsche cars in my fantasy garage.
mainaman said:
The only 993 that is worth preserving in original condition is the GT2.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and all that, but there are plenty of 993 owners (I'm one of them strangely enough) who might disagree with you there and probably quite a few non-owners who'd disagree too. In fact it's probably fair to say that a large proportion of PH'ers would disagree with you.Edited by mainaman on Sunday 10th December 05:28
But you're entitled to your opinion.
First of all, love it!
There is a but though. I can't help think a lot of the prestige is lost because, let's face it, they've copied Singer's idea. I can't help look down at them for that, as well as all the other Porsche specialists who have now come up with their 'interpretation' of a retro-mod 911.
Second of all, again I love this, but the recent spate of RWB wide arch builds detracts from the bespoke and high cost nature of this car. Can't help but feel I would have been blown away if this was the first seriously modified 993 I'd seen, but it isn't, so I'm not. The fact it was at SEMA only really emphasises the point for me.
There is a but though. I can't help think a lot of the prestige is lost because, let's face it, they've copied Singer's idea. I can't help look down at them for that, as well as all the other Porsche specialists who have now come up with their 'interpretation' of a retro-mod 911.
Second of all, again I love this, but the recent spate of RWB wide arch builds detracts from the bespoke and high cost nature of this car. Can't help but feel I would have been blown away if this was the first seriously modified 993 I'd seen, but it isn't, so I'm not. The fact it was at SEMA only really emphasises the point for me.
Ocho said:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and all that, but there are plenty of 993 owners (I'm one of them strangely enough) who might disagree with you there and probably quite a few non-owners who'd disagree too. In fact it's probably fair to say that a large proportion of PH'ers would disagree with you.
But you're entitled to your opinion.
All IMO,of course.But you're entitled to your opinion.
However i would have a hard time believing a Carrera 993 owner turning down a Singer restoration/reimagination in favour of a keep-it-factory-standard restoration to a concours condition.The latter is a lot more cheaper,but if we leave that aside and if your 993 has got some mileage and some cosmetic and mechanical wear and tear,would you really turn down a Singer comission in favour of,say,a Porsche Classic restoration?Just curious...
mainaman said:
All IMO,of course.
However i would have a hard time believing a Carrera 993 owner turning down a Singer restoration/reimagination in favour of a keep-it-factory-standard restoration to a concours condition.The latter is a lot more cheaper,but if we leave that aside and if your 993 has got some mileage and some cosmetic and mechanical wear and tear,would you really turn down a Singer comission in favour of,say,a Porsche Classic restoration?Just curious...
I think perhaps I've missed your point or it's not come across v well. I got the impression you were just saying 993s weren't any good, full stop. Sounds like you're actually comparing a full restore with a Singer, which is slightly different of course. I just own an run mine as it is and v happy with it - my interpretation of keeping a 993 in original condition = worth doing.However i would have a hard time believing a Carrera 993 owner turning down a Singer restoration/reimagination in favour of a keep-it-factory-standard restoration to a concours condition.The latter is a lot more cheaper,but if we leave that aside and if your 993 has got some mileage and some cosmetic and mechanical wear and tear,would you really turn down a Singer comission in favour of,say,a Porsche Classic restoration?Just curious...
Sadly I'm not in the market for a full Porsche Classic restoration or a Singer, much as I'd love either. Mine's going to be hitting 200,000 miles soon enough, but it still runs, drives and sounds amazing. All IMO, of course.
Ocho said:
I think perhaps I've missed your point or it's not come across v well. I got the impression you were just saying 993s weren't any good, full stop. Sounds like you're actually comparing a full restore with a Singer, which is slightly different of course. I just own an run mine as it is and v happy with it - my interpretation of keeping a 993 in original condition = worth doing.
Sadly I'm not in the market for a full Porsche Classic restoration or a Singer, much as I'd love either. Mine's going to be hitting 200,000 miles soon enough, but it still runs, drives and sounds amazing. All IMO, of course.
The Carrera 993 is a lovely car and the Singer and the GW,to an extent,dont deviate from the original formula.They just replace the parts with top grade ones.Saying that the Carrera 993 is a donor material is not meant to be putting down the original cars,if they werent good they wouldnt be used to make cars like the Singer.A hi-fi analogy would be a Linn LP12 turntable,an old one looks the same like from the outside as the current Klimax spec model,but look closer and they are not ,while the parts are totally different.Sadly I'm not in the market for a full Porsche Classic restoration or a Singer, much as I'd love either. Mine's going to be hitting 200,000 miles soon enough, but it still runs, drives and sounds amazing. All IMO, of course.
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