RE: 2018 Audi RS4: Driven
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Interesting numbers, no doubt reflecting the everyday accessibility of the F10 over the E60.
As a rule I much prefer estates over saloons, aesthetically as well as practically, and of course the more performance-orientated the better.
I’ve previously run a B7 RS4 Avant as a daily, but am also a fan of much (not all) of BMW’s M cars. Have an E28 M5 in the garage.
With three young children currently bleeding me dry I’m now in an old but lovely E39 530i Sport Touring. Taking all of the above into consideration an F11 M5 would be very appealing to me indeed.
As a rule I much prefer estates over saloons, aesthetically as well as practically, and of course the more performance-orientated the better.
I’ve previously run a B7 RS4 Avant as a daily, but am also a fan of much (not all) of BMW’s M cars. Have an E28 M5 in the garage.
With three young children currently bleeding me dry I’m now in an old but lovely E39 530i Sport Touring. Taking all of the above into consideration an F11 M5 would be very appealing to me indeed.
HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD. E65Ross said:
HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD. HighwayStar said:
E65Ross said:
HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD. I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.
There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Ares said:
The performance estate seems to be bought even less for practical reasons than SUVs.
I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.
There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Guess I must be the exception. Fast estate next on the list to replace diesel estate, and definitely for practical reasons. Unless you go for RR / X5 / Q7 etc the SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller. The only 'benefit' I can see from an SUV is being sat a little bit higher, and can't really see how that makes much difference when sandwiched between a couple of lorries on the M25. Been looking at most of the mid sized SUVs and keep coming back to the fact an estate makes more sense. And the quicker the better, for the one time in a hundred I don't have the family with me I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.
There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Bryans69 said:
Ares said:
The performance estate seems to be bought even less for practical reasons than SUVs.
I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.
There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Guess I must be the exception. Fast estate next on the list to replace diesel estate, and definitely for practical reasons. Unless you go for RR / X5 / Q7 etc the SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller. The only 'benefit' I can see from an SUV is being sat a little bit higher, and can't really see how that makes much difference when sandwiched between a couple of lorries on the M25. Been looking at most of the mid sized SUVs and keep coming back to the fact an estate makes more sense. And the quicker the better, for the one time in a hundred I don't have the family with me I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.
There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
The medium sized SUVs will be smaller than large estates. I've only ever had X5 and ML, both of which were massively more practical than their estate variants, and with a smaller footprint and easier loading.
....and the 1/100th times you get to 'use' the car, is possibly the prime reasons most have a decent, not cooking practical car and perhaps a sportier car to increase the 1/100 ratio ;-)
Bryans69 said:
SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller.
Not really. SUV boots are also taller which compensates. Compare Tiguan vs Golf Estate or Touareg vs Passat Estate for instance.But apart from the higher driving position, which for me is a massive plus, the other plus is that the SUV tends to have a smaller footprint and is shorter than the equivalent estate in particular.
Having said that, I would prefer a "super estate" than a "super SUV".
LateStarter said:
dickyf said:
The main reason I have decided not to buy one is the risk associated with car-jacking and aggravated theft of these things.
Yes of course that's the reason.... Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
LateStarter said:
Yes of course that's the reason....
Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
? read some of the other threads here, owners have sold there RS cars because of this reason. genuinely.Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
one of my friends wife got carjacked for her RS3, they waited in the bushes of their garden until she got out then ran at her with knives...
they sold the car shortly afterwards...
WCZ said:
LateStarter said:
Yes of course that's the reason....
Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
? read some of the other threads here, owners have sold there RS cars because of this reason. genuinely.Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
one of my friends wife got carjacked for her RS3, they waited in the bushes of their garden until she got out then ran at her with knives...
they sold the car shortly afterwards...
Wills2 said:
adzpz said:
Overlooking a 335d estate in favour of this would take some serious man-maths!
I sincerely hope that the new RS4 is in another league compared to that pudding on wheels. I think the hardest sell for both RS4 and C63 is over their lesser powered brethren the S4 Avant/S5 Sportback/C43 Estate but that's something the RS, M and top end AMGs have always had to contend with. I think if I could afford the RS4 I would still have one over those cars though. I have the S5 SB and I do not desire the RS5 on appearance grounds but the RS4 is a lot nicer IMO.
Or if you were really desperate for a V8 and not too bothered about tech or driving experience then the S6 can be had with massive discounts at the moment, I wouldn't consider that but some might.
TomScrut said:
Wills2 said:
adzpz said:
Overlooking a 335d estate in favour of this would take some serious man-maths!
I sincerely hope that the new RS4 is in another league compared to that pudding on wheels. djc206 said:
It’s normally golf R’s and S3’s that get nicked because they’re ten a penny so don’t stand out. That my RS4 insurance was £300/yr would suggest my insurance company really weren’t concerned about theft, so why would I be? If I lived in one of the car theft hotspots like West Yorkshire or the West Midlands I might reconsider my position but I don’t.
the poster who made that comment might live in a hotspot though? for people to make sarcastic comments about him not being able to afford the car or living in Mexico city is bizarre imoWills2 said:
If you don't mind spongy brakes/dip and dive on brake application/roll and pitch on turn in and a nose heavy feeling that the car wants to drag itself wide on tight corners then they are great.
335d's are awful imo, the steering is extremely disconnected and the car in general lacks agility nice amount of torque though
white_goodman said:
Despite the bashing they often get on here, Audi offer the high performance cars that its fans want to see:
S1 - a hot AWD supermini (although surprisingly no S--tronic option)
RS3 - the fastest, AWD, uber hatch (or saloon)
RS4/RS6 - very fast mid-size/large estate cars (no saloon versions but see RS3 saloon/RS7)
RS5 - AWD M4 rival
RSQ3/SQ5 - a pair of small, high performance SUVs
TT RS - a TT that's as fast as it looks
R8 - a "sensible" every day supercar
There was no room for anything other than the manual transmission in the S1.S1 - a hot AWD supermini (although surprisingly no S--tronic option)
RS3 - the fastest, AWD, uber hatch (or saloon)
RS4/RS6 - very fast mid-size/large estate cars (no saloon versions but see RS3 saloon/RS7)
RS5 - AWD M4 rival
RSQ3/SQ5 - a pair of small, high performance SUVs
TT RS - a TT that's as fast as it looks
R8 - a "sensible" every day supercar
WCZ said:
335d's are awful imo, the steering is extremely disconnected and the car in general lacks agility
nice amount of torque though
My parents own a 340i, the steering for me is the only thing that lets it down. Feels so light, it's precise but disconnected. I think it'd be a bit crap if it had non M suspension, the 335d sits too high IMO. nice amount of torque though
Wills2 said:
If you don't mind spongy brakes/dip and dive on brake application/roll and pitch on turn in and a nose heavy feeling that the car wants to drag itself wide on tight corners then they are great.
Hahaha ok! Glad I got my S5 then (as I was considering 335xd if it hadn't come up)Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff