RE: 2018 Audi RS4: Driven

RE: 2018 Audi RS4: Driven

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sutts

901 posts

149 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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Interesting numbers, no doubt reflecting the everyday accessibility of the F10 over the E60.

As a rule I much prefer estates over saloons, aesthetically as well as practically, and of course the more performance-orientated the better.

I’ve previously run a B7 RS4 Avant as a daily, but am also a fan of much (not all) of BMW’s M cars. Have an E28 M5 in the garage.

With three young children currently bleeding me dry I’m now in an old but lovely E39 530i Sport Touring. Taking all of the above into consideration an F11 M5 would be very appealing to me indeed.

E65Ross

35,116 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD.
Why does a 4wd estate make especially more sense?

HighwayStar

4,296 posts

145 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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E65Ross said:
HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD.
Why does a 4wd estate make especially more sense?
Only in as much as it seems to be what people what, that's all... me, a whole segment of interest to me

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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HighwayStar said:
E65Ross said:
HighwayStar said:
sutts said:
The E61 probably wasn’t the best version to reintroduce an M5 Touring on. I don’t know how many E60 M5 saloons were sold in the U.K. compared to the F10 replacement model, but I bet a F11 Touring M5 would have been much more popular. I for one would love one.
it would certainly make more sense now they've gone AWD.
Why does a 4wd estate make especially more sense?
Only in as much as it seems to be what people what, that's all... me, a whole segment of interest to me
The performance estate seems to be bought even less for practical reasons than SUVs.

I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.

There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.

Bryans69

250 posts

133 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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Ares said:
The performance estate seems to be bought even less for practical reasons than SUVs.

I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.

There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Guess I must be the exception. Fast estate next on the list to replace diesel estate, and definitely for practical reasons. Unless you go for RR / X5 / Q7 etc the SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller. The only 'benefit' I can see from an SUV is being sat a little bit higher, and can't really see how that makes much difference when sandwiched between a couple of lorries on the M25. Been looking at most of the mid sized SUVs and keep coming back to the fact an estate makes more sense. And the quicker the better, for the one time in a hundred I don't have the family with me smile

Ares

11,000 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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Bryans69 said:
Ares said:
The performance estate seems to be bought even less for practical reasons than SUVs.

I know a lot of guys that need practicality for family and bikes/sporting goods.
I also know a number of guys that have RS6s, RS4s, C63/E63 estates.

There are no overlaps between the two. The practical guys don't want such a level of performance, and high-performance versions can come with less practicality - most have either high-powered diesel estates, or more commonly, SUVs.
The owners of the high performance estates have them merely to be different, if there was a choice, or in the Audi's case, they want the extra sure-footedness of AWD.
Guess I must be the exception. Fast estate next on the list to replace diesel estate, and definitely for practical reasons. Unless you go for RR / X5 / Q7 etc the SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller. The only 'benefit' I can see from an SUV is being sat a little bit higher, and can't really see how that makes much difference when sandwiched between a couple of lorries on the M25. Been looking at most of the mid sized SUVs and keep coming back to the fact an estate makes more sense. And the quicker the better, for the one time in a hundred I don't have the family with me smile
I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions!

The medium sized SUVs will be smaller than large estates. I've only ever had X5 and ML, both of which were massively more practical than their estate variants, and with a smaller footprint and easier loading.

....and the 1/100th times you get to 'use' the car, is possibly the prime reasons most have a decent, not cooking practical car and perhaps a sportier car to increase the 1/100 ratio ;-)


nickfrog

21,210 posts

218 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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Bryans69 said:
SUVs aren't as practical as an estate, as the boot is almost always shorter and therefore smaller.
Not really. SUV boots are also taller which compensates. Compare Tiguan vs Golf Estate or Touareg vs Passat Estate for instance.

But apart from the higher driving position, which for me is a massive plus, the other plus is that the SUV tends to have a smaller footprint and is shorter than the equivalent estate in particular.

Having said that, I would prefer a "super estate" than a "super SUV".



LateStarter

67 posts

79 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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dickyf said:
The main reason I have decided not to buy one is the risk associated with car-jacking and aggravated theft of these things.
Yes of course that's the reason....

Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.

E65Ross

35,116 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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LateStarter said:
dickyf said:
The main reason I have decided not to buy one is the risk associated with car-jacking and aggravated theft of these things.
Yes of course that's the reason....

Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
The main reason I didn't buy that yellow McLaren F1 that was for sale recently was because I was worried it would get stolen.... Honest!

WCZ

10,542 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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LateStarter said:
Yes of course that's the reason....

Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
? read some of the other threads here, owners have sold there RS cars because of this reason. genuinely.
one of my friends wife got carjacked for her RS3, they waited in the bushes of their garden until she got out then ran at her with knives...
they sold the car shortly afterwards...

djc206

12,375 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th December 2017
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WCZ said:
LateStarter said:
Yes of course that's the reason....

Although to be fair maybe you live in Mexico city or some other notorious car jacking place.
? read some of the other threads here, owners have sold there RS cars because of this reason. genuinely.
one of my friends wife got carjacked for her RS3, they waited in the bushes of their garden until she got out then ran at her with knives...
they sold the car shortly afterwards...
It’s normally golf R’s and S3’s that get nicked because they’re ten a penny so don’t stand out. That my RS4 insurance was £300/yr would suggest my insurance company really weren’t concerned about theft, so why would I be? If I lived in one of the car theft hotspots like West Yorkshire or the West Midlands I might reconsider my position but I don’t.

Wills2

22,908 posts

176 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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adzpz said:
Overlooking a 335d estate in favour of this would take some serious man-maths!
I sincerely hope that the new RS4 is in another league compared to that pudding on wheels.



TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Wills2 said:
adzpz said:
Overlooking a 335d estate in favour of this would take some serious man-maths!
I sincerely hope that the new RS4 is in another league compared to that pudding on wheels.

Are they really that bad?! I know they don't have the M sport suspension on them but I hadn't heard of them being too shabby (even though I too would expect an RS4 to be in another league)

I think the hardest sell for both RS4 and C63 is over their lesser powered brethren the S4 Avant/S5 Sportback/C43 Estate but that's something the RS, M and top end AMGs have always had to contend with. I think if I could afford the RS4 I would still have one over those cars though. I have the S5 SB and I do not desire the RS5 on appearance grounds but the RS4 is a lot nicer IMO.

Or if you were really desperate for a V8 and not too bothered about tech or driving experience then the S6 can be had with massive discounts at the moment, I wouldn't consider that but some might.

Wills2

22,908 posts

176 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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TomScrut said:
Wills2 said:
adzpz said:
Overlooking a 335d estate in favour of this would take some serious man-maths!
I sincerely hope that the new RS4 is in another league compared to that pudding on wheels.

Are they really that bad?! I know they don't have the M sport suspension on them but I hadn't heard of them being too shabby (even though I too would expect an RS4 to be in another league)
If you don't mind spongy brakes/dip and dive on brake application/roll and pitch on turn in and a nose heavy feeling that the car wants to drag itself wide on tight corners then they are great.



WCZ

10,542 posts

195 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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djc206 said:
It’s normally golf R’s and S3’s that get nicked because they’re ten a penny so don’t stand out. That my RS4 insurance was £300/yr would suggest my insurance company really weren’t concerned about theft, so why would I be? If I lived in one of the car theft hotspots like West Yorkshire or the West Midlands I might reconsider my position but I don’t.
the poster who made that comment might live in a hotspot though? for people to make sarcastic comments about him not being able to afford the car or living in Mexico city is bizarre imo

WCZ

10,542 posts

195 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Wills2 said:
If you don't mind spongy brakes/dip and dive on brake application/roll and pitch on turn in and a nose heavy feeling that the car wants to drag itself wide on tight corners then they are great.
335d's are awful imo, the steering is extremely disconnected and the car in general lacks agility
nice amount of torque though

Cheapskate

72 posts

107 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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white_goodman said:
Despite the bashing they often get on here, Audi offer the high performance cars that its fans want to see:

S1 - a hot AWD supermini (although surprisingly no S--tronic option)

RS3 - the fastest, AWD, uber hatch (or saloon)

RS4/RS6 - very fast mid-size/large estate cars (no saloon versions but see RS3 saloon/RS7)

RS5 - AWD M4 rival

RSQ3/SQ5 - a pair of small, high performance SUVs

TT RS - a TT that's as fast as it looks

R8 - a "sensible" every day supercar
There was no room for anything other than the manual transmission in the S1.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

84 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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WCZ said:
335d's are awful imo, the steering is extremely disconnected and the car in general lacks agility
nice amount of torque though
My parents own a 340i, the steering for me is the only thing that lets it down. Feels so light, it's precise but disconnected. I think it'd be a bit crap if it had non M suspension, the 335d sits too high IMO.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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Wills2 said:
If you don't mind spongy brakes/dip and dive on brake application/roll and pitch on turn in and a nose heavy feeling that the car wants to drag itself wide on tight corners then they are great.
Hahaha ok! Glad I got my S5 then (as I was considering 335xd if it hadn't come up)

Terminator X

15,114 posts

205 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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I'm finding the lack of noise from recent RS cars a disappointment. Has really put me off the RS5 and RS4. The old RS3 for example sounds insane*

TX

*I am biased though