RE: 2018 Audi RS4: Driven
Discussion
Didn't realise a remapped Golf R would generate as much as 450bh0 and include an upgrade to the brakes and suspension to cope with the added power, be able to perform at that without any risk to damage to the gearbox, 4WD system etc and still have a valid manufacturers warranty.
Oh, and a nicer sounding engine, interior, styling etc.
Oh, and a nicer sounding engine, interior, styling etc.
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
E65Ross said:
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
Or a terraced house, a small dog and a bus pass.With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
E65Ross said:
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
Sorry.I guess my point, which perhaps was badly made, is that the difference in price between the rs4 and the rs6 isn’t as big as it was with previous generations of these cars (of course this isn’t something exclusive to just Audi). Sure i used examples of used rs6s above however even new cars through places like carwow, broadspeed etc get very close to the prices above.
E65Ross said:
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
Champagne taste lemonade money that's why, these will be the same people the believe that their trade is worth much more than it actually is. i'd rather go retro and have a B5 rs4With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
hondansx said:
'Worth' is personal, subjective.
What you're really saying is you can't afford an RS4, which is fine. But you can't determine worth of anything without experiencing it first.
Just from the pictures, you can tell the RS4 will be a much nicer place to sit than the Golf. It also has 200mm extra wheel base, so clearly a nicer experience for passengers. Perhaps most importantly for us though, it has a more powerful engine than the Golf, and will sound better too. Yep, you could remap the Golf, but it won't make it sound like a six cylinder. You've also just teared up your warranty for the privilege.
Will anyone buy one? Surely “worth” will come down to the monthly repayments and many will be remapped anyway to say 550hp. Faster than a Golf and not as powerful as the RS6.What you're really saying is you can't afford an RS4, which is fine. But you can't determine worth of anything without experiencing it first.
Just from the pictures, you can tell the RS4 will be a much nicer place to sit than the Golf. It also has 200mm extra wheel base, so clearly a nicer experience for passengers. Perhaps most importantly for us though, it has a more powerful engine than the Golf, and will sound better too. Yep, you could remap the Golf, but it won't make it sound like a six cylinder. You've also just teared up your warranty for the privilege.
E65Ross said:
Didn't realise a remapped Golf R would generate as much as 450bh0 and include an upgrade to the brakes and suspension to cope with the added power, be able to perform at that without any risk to damage to the gearbox, 4WD system etc and still have a valid manufacturers warranty.
Oh, and a nicer sounding engine, interior, styling etc.
This. Surely the S3 etc re the comparison to a golf R anyhow.Oh, and a nicer sounding engine, interior, styling etc.
Looks brilliant in Green. Similar to the Lotus Exige motorsport green.
If I could only have one car, this would be it.
E65Ross said:
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
I think when we're talking about so lightly used that they have 600 miles on and are the current plate It's relevent as oppose to arguing a normal family car vs a 15 year old £26k Vantage With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
WCZ said:
E65Ross said:
What is it with people on pistonheads comparing new car prices to 2nd hand ones?
With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
I think when we're talking about so lightly used that they have 600 miles on and are the current plate It's relevent as oppose to arguing a normal family car vs a 15 year old £26k Vantage With the RS6 one above for example, did you say (when it came out) that "for £90k you could buy a slightly used xyz"? Well.... Shock horror.... It takes someone to buy a new one so 2nd hand ones are available!
Why spend £70k on a used RS6 when you can get a SLIGHTLY older one for £60k?in fact, why buy one for £60k when you can get an older one for £10k?
BlackLabel said:
Sorry.I guess my point, which perhaps was badly made, is that the difference in price between the rs4 and the rs6 isn’t as big as it was with previous generations of these cars (of course this isn’t something exclusive to just Audi). Sure i used examples of used rs6s above however even new cars through places like carwow, broadspeed etc get very close to the prices above.
That aside, as a serial RS owner I mourn the passing of the V8 (though the B8 was breathless below 4000rpm) and I find the styling of the B9 too fussy for my taste but will reserve full judgement until I see a fleshy one. I can state however, with some authority, that the current RS6PE is on a par with the B7 RS4 for ownership joyness and if anyone can make the maths work between the B9 and the C7 I would urge them to at least have a test drive, the RS6 is a hoot.
Traditionally, I'm not a big Audi fan but I actually quite like this. Whereas BMW seem to be turning their back on their traditional fans (no M3/M5 Touring, next 1-Series being FWD, AWD M5, discontinuing the gorgeous 6-series copes and replacing it with some ghastly bloated 5-Series hatch thingy and a reduction in the availability of straight six engines and manual transmissions) and Mercedes with their hideous, bling styling, Audi are offering us more of what we want in their own unique way. Sure, that's built around subtle looks, high performance and quattro AWD, which is not to everyone's tastes but they're doing what they've always done but better and are even going to offer an R8 with RWD!
Some might say that the twin turbo V6 is not as special as the older NA V8 but it's probably a better fit for the type of car, as is the transmission and significantly cheaper to run day-to-day. For the same reason, I'm coming around to the F80 M3, a less special engine but a more viable daily drive for more people than the E90/E92 and ample rather than excessive power. Personally, I would take this over the C63 AMG wagon. Better-looking, more subtle, more accessible performance without constantly triggering traction control/stability control in slippery conditions. I like that it's a bit more subtle than the RS6 too. Whether it's worth the premium over an S4 though, I don't know but I do also like the green (but not those wheels).
It's not been a bad year for new cars really. One of these for family duties, a new Alpine A1110 for fun and a 3 door mk2 Golf GTi 16v for "pure" manual fun and nostalgia would do nicely. It's just a question of money. 200k should just about do it if anyone's offering.
Some might say that the twin turbo V6 is not as special as the older NA V8 but it's probably a better fit for the type of car, as is the transmission and significantly cheaper to run day-to-day. For the same reason, I'm coming around to the F80 M3, a less special engine but a more viable daily drive for more people than the E90/E92 and ample rather than excessive power. Personally, I would take this over the C63 AMG wagon. Better-looking, more subtle, more accessible performance without constantly triggering traction control/stability control in slippery conditions. I like that it's a bit more subtle than the RS6 too. Whether it's worth the premium over an S4 though, I don't know but I do also like the green (but not those wheels).
It's not been a bad year for new cars really. One of these for family duties, a new Alpine A1110 for fun and a 3 door mk2 Golf GTi 16v for "pure" manual fun and nostalgia would do nicely. It's just a question of money. 200k should just about do it if anyone's offering.
Edited by white_goodman on Tuesday 12th December 21:46
anonymous said:
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The main issue is Torque, the dual clutch automated manuals are more sensitive to high torque than a slushy. Sure you can build a box that will take the torque, but if you can buy a box off the self that will do 90% of what the dual clutch will do, without forking out to design a new box.Additionally, a slushy is better in traffic than the S-tronic. Given the way the roads are this is what it will be doing most of the time.
BiggestVern said:
According to my MOT testing friend Andrew, all new cars had to be fitted with TPMS from the 1st of November 2014 and if they don't work it's an MOT fail. Is this correct or does it only affect models introduced after that date?
Audi use temp and pressure sensors - standard on RS6. No idea why an extra on 4. Seems a bit tight.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff