RE: Ferrari 488 'GTO' spied testing

[castex]

Rawwr said:

There have only been two true GTOs and I very much doubt there will be another.

QFT.

[ChocolateFrog]

I bet in 20 or 30 years it won't be looked on as highly or saught after as much as the 458 Speciale.

If I could have one modern Ferrari as a keeper it would be that.

[patch5674]

Rawwr said:

TwinExit said:

I don't think Ferrari care what you think if it is a true GTO or not.

I don't think I suggested they would? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.

Friendly word of advice: I can see you're new here and your posting style is coming over as pretty aggressive so far. It's often best to stick by what you're saying rather than flit from point to point in a directionless haze. It's also a good idea not to make ridiculous, unfounded statements. You'll find it annoys people and the knives will soon be out. Possibly for the best to take it back a few notches for everyone's sake.

With all due respect you have been pretty condescending to Twin Exit. He said calling it a GTO makes sense to which you leapt on it and told him it makes zero sense. Then, in a later post declared there had only been two "true GTO's" conveniently forgetting the non homologation 599GTO because it doesn't fit your narrative. There is every chance this could wear the GTO badge.

None of us truly know whether it will wear the GTO badge, TwinExit thinks it might, you think it won't. Your reasons for believing it won't are no more valid or better informed than TwinExits.

As you do correctly say we are all here to discuss things on this discussion forum.

[RamboLambo]

Wont be as quick as McLarens standard 720S and certainly wont sound as good as Lamborghini's Huracan performante.
Shame Ferrari didn't stick with a normally aspirated engine as that was their advantage over McLaren who setting aside the badge make the better turbo charged car and better engineered product.

My vote goes to the Lamborghini Huracan Performante which with its N/a V10 engine just sounds awesome

[corozin]

In today's market it doesn't actually matter whether the power can be used on the roads or not - most of them will hardly do much more than be reversed out of thier garages so that some paid detailer can clean the dust off them. Do any more than that and they depreciate like rocks thrown off Beachy Head...

[col68]

Doesn't really matter whether it's slower than a 720s.

[scotty435]

Sure it's going to look better than the McLaren Senna

[Vocht]

This cheeky spyshot has been doing the rounds recently. Looks great!

[filski666]

wait..Ferraris don't have forged wheels as standard?!?!?!

[TwinExit]

Rawwr said:

TwinExit said:

I don't think Ferrari care what you think if it is a true GTO or not.

I don't think I suggested they would? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.

Friendly word of advice: I can see you're new here and your posting style is coming over as pretty aggressive so far. It's often best to stick by what you're saying rather than flit from point to point in a directionless haze. It's also a good idea not to make ridiculous, unfounded statements. You'll find it annoys people and the knives will soon be out. Possibly for the best to take it back a few notches for everyone's sake.

Ferrari would not develop and release a new car or a variant of an already expensive to build car if there was no commercial sense in it.

They can label/badge a car however they want, if it sells then that's what they invested that time and money for.

Whether it is a 'true GTO' of not in the minds of people typing away on a forum is neither here or there, i.e Ferrari do not give a damn!

[donteatpeople]

patch5674 said:

Rawwr said:

TwinExit said:

I don't think Ferrari care what you think if it is a true GTO or not.

I don't think I suggested they would? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.

Friendly word of advice: I can see you're new here and your posting style is coming over as pretty aggressive so far. It's often best to stick by what you're saying rather than flit from point to point in a directionless haze. It's also a good idea not to make ridiculous, unfounded statements. You'll find it annoys people and the knives will soon be out. Possibly for the best to take it back a few notches for everyone's sake.

With all due respect you have been pretty condescending to Twin Exit. He said calling it a GTO makes sense to which you leapt on it and told him it makes zero sense. Then, in a later post declared there had only been two "true GTO's" conveniently forgetting the non homologation 599GTO because it doesn't fit your narrative. There is every chance this could wear the GTO badge.

None of us truly know whether it will wear the GTO badge, TwinExit thinks it might, you think it won't. Your reasons for believing it won't are no more valid or better informed than TwinExits.

As you do correctly say we are all here to discuss things on this discussion forum.

I think you may have completely missed the point. As I read it Rawwr was referring to the fact that the 'O' in GTO stands for Omologato. They may well call it a GTO but it would make zero sense giving a road car that's got nothing to do with homologation a name that refers to homologation, it's just marketing BS.

[corozin]

donteatpeople said:

patch5674 said:

Rawwr said:

TwinExit said:

I don't think Ferrari care what you think if it is a true GTO or not.

I don't think I suggested they would? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.

Friendly word of advice: I can see you're new here and your posting style is coming over as pretty aggressive so far. It's often best to stick by what you're saying rather than flit from point to point in a directionless haze. It's also a good idea not to make ridiculous, unfounded statements. You'll find it annoys people and the knives will soon be out. Possibly for the best to take it back a few notches for everyone's sake.

With all due respect you have been pretty condescending to Twin Exit. He said calling it a GTO makes sense to which you leapt on it and told him it makes zero sense. Then, in a later post declared there had only been two "true GTO's" conveniently forgetting the non homologation 599GTO because it doesn't fit your narrative. There is every chance this could wear the GTO badge.

None of us truly know whether it will wear the GTO badge, TwinExit thinks it might, you think it won't. Your reasons for believing it won't are no more valid or better informed than TwinExits.

As you do correctly say we are all here to discuss things on this discussion forum.

I think you may have completely missed the point. As I read it Rawwr was referring to the fact that the 'O' in GTO stands for Omologato. They may well call it a GTO but it would make zero sense giving a road car that's got nothing to do with homologation a name that refers to homologation, it's just marketing BS.

In the grand scale of things, any potential brand-whoring of this car as a GTO is going to pale into insignificance to the upcoming Ferrari SUV.

[TwinExit]

donteatpeople said:

I think you may have completely missed the point. As I read it Rawwr was referring to the fact that the 'O' in GTO stands for Omologato. They may well call it a GTO but it would make zero sense giving a road car that's got nothing to do with homologation a name that refers to homologation, it's just marketing BS.

Today the term 'GTO' can stand for anything, just like an EVO the meaning of 'FQ' is left to the owner's imagination. The McLaren 'F1' is a 3 seater super car, are you going to write to Ron Dennis, Gordon Murray and Peter Stephens that the 'F1' is named over marketing BS too?

The bottom line is if a manufacturer officially produces and sells a car with a given name or abbreviation, then that's how it should be officially regarded as.

GTO is a rather appropriate name as it associates the factory built 458 variant to motor sport, what it being the most nearest to a track racing version with number plates, regardless if they intend to enter into a racing program or not.

[DS240]

donteatpeople said:

patch5674 said:

Rawwr said:

TwinExit said:

I don't think Ferrari care what you think if it is a true GTO or not.

I don't think I suggested they would? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.

Friendly word of advice: I can see you're new here and your posting style is coming over as pretty aggressive so far. It's often best to stick by what you're saying rather than flit from point to point in a directionless haze. It's also a good idea not to make ridiculous, unfounded statements. You'll find it annoys people and the knives will soon be out. Possibly for the best to take it back a few notches for everyone's sake.

With all due respect you have been pretty condescending to Twin Exit. He said calling it a GTO makes sense to which you leapt on it and told him it makes zero sense. Then, in a later post declared there had only been two "true GTO's" conveniently forgetting the non homologation 599GTO because it doesn't fit your narrative. There is every chance this could wear the GTO badge.

None of us truly know whether it will wear the GTO badge, TwinExit thinks it might, you think it won't. Your reasons for believing it won't are no more valid or better informed than TwinExits.

As you do correctly say we are all here to discuss things on this discussion forum.

I think you may have completely missed the point. As I read it Rawwr was referring to the fact that the 'O' in GTO stands for Omologato. They may well call it a GTO but it would make zero sense giving a road car that's got nothing to do with homologation a name that refers to homologation, it's just marketing BS.

The world of motoring has moved on quite some way since the 250 GTO and how close these were to road/race cars.

Of course GTO would be only used as a marketing reference if they go down that route. The 599 GTO has nothing to do with a race car. But as time has moved on, maybe it is simply used to denote the most extreme/special version of the model rather than a racing link.

Ferrari haven’t really stuck with a brand for the ‘go faster’ models except the FXX line. Scuderia, Speciale etc

Let’s be honest, no mainstream road car is anywhere near being like their top flight racing version any way. If they were, they’d be horrible as road cars.

[Ninja59]

Ferrari will use whatever badge they deem correct - GTO, CS, Speciale, Scuderia. It is not as though they have just used just the cars as an income stream....I mean Ferrari theme parks and talks of SUV's etc.

In regards to GTO, really the only "true" GTO with race pedigree is the 250. None of the others strictly speaking have any at all. I appreciate however, that 288 GTO was designed, but never did. Over the 599 GTO, I did think the name was a bit wrong , but then I thought the F12 TdF was even worse with some of the design details...

[saxy]

TwinExit said:

saxy said:

Tbh, the normal 488 is already all the performance any supercar needs. The only thing it lacks was the NA engine from the previous gen. Any more performance is negligible for road use.

700 HP is the minimum you can get away with and be branded a supercar in today's standards.

And it's a 'GTO', the more power it has, the more it makes sense...

I’d gladly buy a 458, or a GT3 over it. Many 488 owners have elected to sell their cars and go for a used 458. What’s the point of a car being only exciting at illegal speeds? The 2 I mentioned are exciting at any speeds, and excitement is what I expect from a supercar.

And if speed is what you’re after, the 488 was slower than the Tesla family sedan in a full 1/4 mile race. The 488 GTO (that is if it’s called that) would be completely blown away by the Tesla roadster and many electric cars to come.

You argue that the GTO will be a collectors car. How so? There will be faster and more powerful turbo cars in the future, let alone electric ones too. In no way will it be remembered as the great Ferrari to go to in the future.

Edited by saxy on Thursday 14th December 09:57

Edited by saxy on Thursday 14th December 09:59

[Gurov]

Ferrari sweating over the Mclaren 720S I see

[DS240]

Gurov said:

Ferrari sweating over the Mclaren 720S I see

Order books full with probably 2-3years worth of production at self defined production limits ... they must be sweating.

[DS240]

saxy said:

TwinExit said:

saxy said:

Tbh, the normal 488 is already all the performance any supercar needs. The only thing it lacks was the NA engine from the previous gen. Any more performance is negligible for road use.

700 HP is the minimum you can get away with and be branded a supercar in today's standards.

And it's a 'GTO', the more power it has, the more it makes sense...

I’d gladly buy a 458, or a GT3 over it. Many 488 owners have elected to sell their cars and go for a used 458. What’s the point of a car being only exciting at illegal speeds? The 2 I mentioned are exciting at any speeds, and excitement is what I expect from a supercar.

And if speed is what you’re after, the 488 was slower than the Tesla family sedan in a full 1/4 mile race. The 488 GTO (that is if it’s called that) would be completely blown away by the Tesla roadster and many electric cars to come.

You argue that the GTO will be a collectors car. How so? There will be faster and more powerful turbo cars in the future, let alone electric ones too. In no way will it be remembered as the great Ferrari to go to in the future.

Edited by saxy on Thursday 14th December 09:57

Edited by saxy on Thursday 14th December 09:59

Already thought this (not that I’m in a position to actually buy one though), but I’d get a 458 rather than new 488.

Not only for turbo reasons, but the 458 was stunning. Side vents are so badly resolved on 488 I think.

Sports cars / super cars getting faster and faster with higher limits in the corners to get track times but all this doesn’t translate into a fun drivers car.

Edited by DS240 on Thursday 14th December 12:21

[TwinExit]

saxy said:

You argue that the GTO will be a collectors car. How so? There will be faster and more powerful turbo cars in the future, let alone electric ones too. In no way will it be remembered as the great Ferrari to go to in the future.

Money talks, go see how much any 'GTO' Ferrrai is worth second hand then you'll know that most of what is thrown around in this thread is moot.