RE: Audi TT RS: PH Fleet
Discussion
Msportman said:
I expect it will be quite popular in and around the Isle of London and Home Counties where the social elite working in the best paid jobs will just have to have one.
I actually haven't seen one yet. Can't recall if there has even been one at the nearby Sunday Services.At 50-60k though I would much much rather a used R8, there are some good examples out there, even some V10s now.
Personally I love the sound of a five, had a Fiat Coupe, Audi 100 and Volvo T5 and never thought they would have been markedly better for the sake of an extra cylinder, you can get a V6 TT if you must have the full complement but though its a nice engine, I woudl take the 5 every time, not least as it has another 150 or so bhp.
Biggriff said:
Its not the last word in handling finesse, but in terms of going effortlessly quick, in comfort and walking away and not fretting that ive just left my Porsche in a public car park etc, its a good feeling.
I've had a thief break in and try to steal my new RS, Get yourself a stoplock pro just to be on the safe side.J4CKO said:
Personally I love the sound of a five, had a Fiat Coupe, Audi 100 and Volvo T5 and never thought they would have been markedly better for the sake of an extra cylinder.
Flat-4 < I-5 < I-6 for me .. but heck i like 5's even a V-5 .. if someone did a V-6 as per Nissan GTR minus a cylinder that would be tasty!J4CKO said:
Personally I love the sound of a five, had a Fiat Coupe, Audi 100 and Volvo T5 and never thought they would have been markedly better for the sake of an extra cylinder, you can get a V6 TT if you must have the full complement but though its a nice engine, I woudl take the 5 every time, not least as it has another 150 or so bhp.
Agree with this - always reminds me of the rallying Quattros See an RS3 roundabout here and it sounds fantastic at full chat...to my ears at least.
I like V6s too but would pick the 5-pot noise above one......then again I suppose it wasn't such an extreme V6 as the RS engine
s m said:
J4CKO said:
Personally I love the sound of a five, had a Fiat Coupe, Audi 100 and Volvo T5 and never thought they would have been markedly better for the sake of an extra cylinder, you can get a V6 TT if you must have the full complement but though its a nice engine, I woudl take the 5 every time, not least as it has another 150 or so bhp.
Agree with this - always reminds me of the rallying Quattros See an RS3 roundabout here and it sounds fantastic at full chat...to my ears at least.
I like V6s too but would pick the 5-pot noise above one......then again I suppose it wasn't such an extreme V6 as the RS engine
J4CKO said:
s m said:
J4CKO said:
Personally I love the sound of a five, had a Fiat Coupe, Audi 100 and Volvo T5 and never thought they would have been markedly better for the sake of an extra cylinder, you can get a V6 TT if you must have the full complement but though its a nice engine, I woudl take the 5 every time, not least as it has another 150 or so bhp.
Agree with this - always reminds me of the rallying Quattros See an RS3 roundabout here and it sounds fantastic at full chat...to my ears at least.
I like V6s too but would pick the 5-pot noise above one......then again I suppose it wasn't such an extreme V6 as the RS engine
Pretty lightweight too for a 5-seater saloon
Durzel said:
I'm struggling to wonder why people would pay £120k+ for the former.
Oh I don’t know maybe it’s that it’s a rear-engine actual supercar - and not a dressed up TT - that makes it a completely different car altogether? Maybe it’s the NA V10 that revs over 9000 and sounds incredible?Just because the R8 doesn’t top-trump spank the TTRS you’re struggling to find reasons... come on man.
Peanus said:
Oh I don’t know maybe it’s that it’s a rear-engine actual supercar - and not a dressed up TT - that makes it a completely different car altogether? Maybe it’s the NA V10 that revs over 9000 and sounds incredible?
Just because the R8 doesn’t top-trump spank the TTRS you’re struggling to find reasons... come on man.
I have a TTRS, my mate has an R8 V10 plus lucky git.Just because the R8 doesn’t top-trump spank the TTRS you’re struggling to find reasons... come on man.
I can park my TT in the corner and no one notices it, I can drive around and no one really notices me.
Every drive out in the R8 is an event, you feel like you're in a special car, people stare (at the car, not me sadly), people take pics, people ask about it at petrol stations.
And the drive, yes the TT is a really good car, but the R8 plus is something else, I think it's 0-60 time is an under estimate, it feels so much faster than the TT.
So if I'd had a spare £140k I'd have bought the R8.
So the TT gives me some bragging rights down the pub, and the odd car nut will recognize it, but the V10 plus R8 is in a very different league, it really is a very special car that I reckon is worth the extra bucks.
But one thing did hang in my mind, if I'd have gone all out and got a new R8 plus at £140,000.
The amount of depreciation in two years would pay for the TT outright.
Ill say it - cant stand the look of it. Worst looking tt shape to start off with, plus being an RS model why did they not add a bit more visual drama with flared arches etc? A missed opportunity to me - and the price - wow. Its a golf sized car, less practical and £60k!
Hands down Id have the (sill pricey) RS3 instead.
Hands down Id have the (sill pricey) RS3 instead.
foggy1974 said:
Ill say it - cant stand the look of it. Worst looking tt shape to start off with, plus being an RS model why did they not add a bit more visual drama with flared arches etc? A missed opportunity to me - and the price - wow. Its a golf sized car, less practical and £60k!
Hands down Id have the (sill pricey) RS3 instead.
The RS in the TT range is a trim level plus engine.. It's built alongside lesser TT's not by Audi Sport.Hands down Id have the (sill pricey) RS3 instead.
I have had one since March. I bought it nearly new from a main dealer and managed to get a better discount than I expected.
I went to look for something much more practical, but saw the TTRS newly arrived and not yet stickered up.
I had seen some quite positive reviews, but it wasn't really on my radar - I was looking for a sensible wagon.
Still, I thought "why not have a test drive? What harm can it do?"
Anyway, the initial summary would be: great engine; lovely interior, but not very engaging.
The salesman encouraged me to give it some beans and the car came alive a bit...
I convinced myself that with rear seats down it actually was a mini estate car!
So what is it like to own? Well it is nice at 70% though very hard riding on UK roads. The fun only start around 85% The car start to get more playful. Driving mode 100% dynamic. It is very quickie straight line. Stay on your toes or it is a story of understeer. In slow corners, turn in late, power on early...If you have access to track or private road, turn off driver aids and then don't be gentle -break hard, turn in still beaking and power on before the car settles. You will get small slide beforetbe 4wd tranfers the power forwards.
Quite good fun, but you really need to beast it.
Pros
Practical - ish
Lovely fit and finish
I like the virtual instruments
That engine!!!
Fuel economy (really) 34mpg on motorway
Cons
Firm ride is shirt on UK roads (as bad as my TVR Tuscan when i forget to soften the Nitrons)
Understeery most of the time
Exhaust problem still not solved, see above posts
In short, not a boxter beater, but a practical mini superstar. As ever, it depends what you want. Mine is parked at Heathrow right now having caried me and 5 bags there to catch a flight. The engine note always makes me smile.
There is fun to be had, but it is at a very high commitment level. The crosscountry pace when you have it in the groove is very good. However if you fail to concentrate, it iis all understeer. The short wheelbase and power lets you correct it - but it can be a very ordinary experience.
For PHers as a daily driver might be dificult to recommend. The rear seats are largely pointless, but put down, luggage space is great.
A truly great engine lives up front, but I would love more power to the rear.
It is very grippy, perhaps too much...
Just my thought.. feel free to ask more
I went to look for something much more practical, but saw the TTRS newly arrived and not yet stickered up.
I had seen some quite positive reviews, but it wasn't really on my radar - I was looking for a sensible wagon.
Still, I thought "why not have a test drive? What harm can it do?"
Anyway, the initial summary would be: great engine; lovely interior, but not very engaging.
The salesman encouraged me to give it some beans and the car came alive a bit...
I convinced myself that with rear seats down it actually was a mini estate car!
So what is it like to own? Well it is nice at 70% though very hard riding on UK roads. The fun only start around 85% The car start to get more playful. Driving mode 100% dynamic. It is very quickie straight line. Stay on your toes or it is a story of understeer. In slow corners, turn in late, power on early...If you have access to track or private road, turn off driver aids and then don't be gentle -break hard, turn in still beaking and power on before the car settles. You will get small slide beforetbe 4wd tranfers the power forwards.
Quite good fun, but you really need to beast it.
Pros
Practical - ish
Lovely fit and finish
I like the virtual instruments
That engine!!!
Fuel economy (really) 34mpg on motorway
Cons
Firm ride is shirt on UK roads (as bad as my TVR Tuscan when i forget to soften the Nitrons)
Understeery most of the time
Exhaust problem still not solved, see above posts
In short, not a boxter beater, but a practical mini superstar. As ever, it depends what you want. Mine is parked at Heathrow right now having caried me and 5 bags there to catch a flight. The engine note always makes me smile.
There is fun to be had, but it is at a very high commitment level. The crosscountry pace when you have it in the groove is very good. However if you fail to concentrate, it iis all understeer. The short wheelbase and power lets you correct it - but it can be a very ordinary experience.
For PHers as a daily driver might be dificult to recommend. The rear seats are largely pointless, but put down, luggage space is great.
A truly great engine lives up front, but I would love more power to the rear.
It is very grippy, perhaps too much...
Just my thought.. feel free to ask more
jontykint said:
Durzel said:
It's fairly common knowledge that anyone who has driven a Cayman S has felt that the chassis is capable of handling more power, but Porsche wisely (?) reign it in to preserve 911 halo status.
Is this not what the GT4 has done? I'm sorry but DSG gearboxes are s
t. They've done a great job of making the proper (plantary) gearbox companies pull their fingers out and improve shift times and power losses etc, and provided a nice stop gap in the mean time.
Now that the planetaries are as good as they are, nobody should bother with a DSG / dual-clutch.
Jaguar have had it right with their supercharged cars.
Thank god BMW have finally dropped dual-clutch boxes on the next M5/M6 cars. It's been the one thing that's kept me away from them.
Compare a ZF 8HP or GM 8L90 to any dual-clutch.
The ZF (and GM) have the same no-loss direct clutch-to-clutch shifts, but smoother manners (thanks to the torque converter), and they can also shift 8->4, 5>2 instantly etc.
Your DSG has to try to guess whether you are going UP the gearbox, or DOWN the gearbox, and pre-select just ONE gear for you.. then you get a quick shift to just *that* gear. Basically they suck.
t. They've done a great job of making the proper (plantary) gearbox companies pull their fingers out and improve shift times and power losses etc, and provided a nice stop gap in the mean time.Now that the planetaries are as good as they are, nobody should bother with a DSG / dual-clutch.
Jaguar have had it right with their supercharged cars.
Thank god BMW have finally dropped dual-clutch boxes on the next M5/M6 cars. It's been the one thing that's kept me away from them.
Compare a ZF 8HP or GM 8L90 to any dual-clutch.
The ZF (and GM) have the same no-loss direct clutch-to-clutch shifts, but smoother manners (thanks to the torque converter), and they can also shift 8->4, 5>2 instantly etc.
Your DSG has to try to guess whether you are going UP the gearbox, or DOWN the gearbox, and pre-select just ONE gear for you.. then you get a quick shift to just *that* gear. Basically they suck.
carl0s said:
I'm sorry but DSG gearboxes are st. They've done a great job of making the proper (plantary) gearbox companies pull their fingers out and improve shift times and power losses etc, and provided a nice stop gap in the mean time.
Now that the planetaries are as good as they are, nobody should bother with a DSG / dual-clutch.
Jaguar have had it right with their supercharged cars.
Thank god BMW have finally dropped dual-clutch boxes on the next M5/M6 cars. It's been the one thing that's kept me away from them.
Compare a ZF 8HP or GM 8L90 to any dual-clutch.
The ZF (and GM) have the same no-loss direct clutch-to-clutch shifts, but smoother manners (thanks to the torque converter), and they can also shift 8->4, 5>2 instantly etc.
Your DSG has to try to guess whether you are going UP the gearbox, or DOWN the gearbox, and pre-select just ONE gear for you.. then you get a quick shift to just *that* gear. Basically they suck.
What utter horsest. They've done a great job of making the proper (plantary) gearbox companies pull their fingers out and improve shift times and power losses etc, and provided a nice stop gap in the mean time.Now that the planetaries are as good as they are, nobody should bother with a DSG / dual-clutch.
Jaguar have had it right with their supercharged cars.
Thank god BMW have finally dropped dual-clutch boxes on the next M5/M6 cars. It's been the one thing that's kept me away from them.
Compare a ZF 8HP or GM 8L90 to any dual-clutch.
The ZF (and GM) have the same no-loss direct clutch-to-clutch shifts, but smoother manners (thanks to the torque converter), and they can also shift 8->4, 5>2 instantly etc.
Your DSG has to try to guess whether you are going UP the gearbox, or DOWN the gearbox, and pre-select just ONE gear for you.. then you get a quick shift to just *that* gear. Basically they suck.
t. You’d better write to VAG and let them know that the PDK they put into Porsches and the same DSG/S-Tronic in the R8 is inferior to a ZF8... 
carl0s said:
Your DSG has to try to guess whether you are going UP the gearbox, or DOWN the gearbox, and pre-select just ONE gear for you.. then you get a quick shift to just *that* gear.
I have to agree, I went DSG on my Golf R to see what all the fuss was about and overall I'm not that impressed. They are very good at one thing (point and squirt right through the gear box as fast as possible), personally, I don't think they're anywhere near as good as a manual for performance driving on roads where you need to be shifting around the box a lot. Even getting off the line could easily be done faster in a manual (launch control excepted) as there's a delay while it figures out you actually want to set off .I get the appeal of a DSG or auto in traffic but for day-to-day town driving I find the DSG quite jerky and unrefined, I could do a much smoother job with a manual, I find I have to drive it in 'sport' mode rather than 'drive' as in the latter it's trying too hard to be eco-friendly that it's shifting around all the time.
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