RE: Porsche 911 Carrera T: Driven
Discussion
CM954 said:
What does this have over a base Carerra?
What are the price and weight implications of that?
Does the result give a dynamic advantage and / or could the same result be achieved by judicious use of the options sheet on a base Carrera?
The deletion of rear seats, thinner glass, removal of sound deadening and different ratios are all things I assume can't be achieved by optioning a base Carrera.
If I took the rear seats out of a base Carerra (or put them back into this one), would that outweigh (pun intended) the differences in this model's USP?
It doesn't sound like the different ratios have made that much of an impact - and surely even Porsche buyers would be embarrassed to pay more for a car that has thinner glass, less sound deadening yet somehow didn't weigh less than the equivalent of losing an inch off your waistline?
If the ratios are even a small improvement - doesn't it come down to a comparison of what you're paying for that minor gain (and then a comparison with a GTS at a similar option level, as a comparison on any other basis is meaningless)?
if you took the rear sounds out of a base carrera and removed the pcm (both easy jobs) and spec'd a base carrera the same then you're just talking about maybe 1-2kg for the thinner windows and literally a few grams (if anything) for the door handle pulls. (a weight reduction of -0.06%) also bare in the mind that the sound increase from the thinner glass (by all accounts) isn't really noticeable What are the price and weight implications of that?
Does the result give a dynamic advantage and / or could the same result be achieved by judicious use of the options sheet on a base Carrera?
The deletion of rear seats, thinner glass, removal of sound deadening and different ratios are all things I assume can't be achieved by optioning a base Carrera.
If I took the rear seats out of a base Carerra (or put them back into this one), would that outweigh (pun intended) the differences in this model's USP?
It doesn't sound like the different ratios have made that much of an impact - and surely even Porsche buyers would be embarrassed to pay more for a car that has thinner glass, less sound deadening yet somehow didn't weigh less than the equivalent of losing an inch off your waistline?
If the ratios are even a small improvement - doesn't it come down to a comparison of what you're paying for that minor gain (and then a comparison with a GTS at a similar option level, as a comparison on any other basis is meaningless)?
Edited by CM954 on Monday 8th January 14:33
', but sometimes its beyond question....and everyone else has spotted it 
hondansx said:
I don't get quite the judgement of the manual. I thought they revised it and improved it? I've heard it is a nice 'box to use now.
Then, this review mentions the final drive change and then refers to it as a change to the 'final cog'. I'm not that mechanically minded, but I thought the final drive was separate in the differential?
I do think the T is too expensive, but would be curious to know how much the standard Carrera would be versus the bits the T gets as standard (assume PSE and dampers at -10mm are not cheap).
I also don't understand how removing rear seats, PCM, sound proofing and fitting lighter glass only results in 20kg saving...?
It's such a shame though that they didn't reduce it by a good 70kg or so... surely possible with more parts bin raiding (magnesium roof, 918 seats as standard, PCCBs, GT3 hubs and wheels)
Whilst you guys have been arguing, I've tried to answer my own questions.Then, this review mentions the final drive change and then refers to it as a change to the 'final cog'. I'm not that mechanically minded, but I thought the final drive was separate in the differential?
I do think the T is too expensive, but would be curious to know how much the standard Carrera would be versus the bits the T gets as standard (assume PSE and dampers at -10mm are not cheap).
I also don't understand how removing rear seats, PCM, sound proofing and fitting lighter glass only results in 20kg saving...?
It's such a shame though that they didn't reduce it by a good 70kg or so... surely possible with more parts bin raiding (magnesium roof, 918 seats as standard, PCCBs, GT3 hubs and wheels)
- The Carrera T is £85,576 - £7,685 more than the Carrera
- It comes with £3,435 of extras (suspension, wheels, sports exhaust)
- You can't change the suspension on a Carrera
- You can option 4-wheel steering; not an option on the Carrera
- Additionally the Carrera T has an LSD with PTV, which I can't see as something you can option on the Carrera
- The extra £4,250 gets you door pulls, different seat fabric and lightweight glass cost you £4,250
- The Carrera S is only £1,759 more than the Carrera T, but the sports exhaust is another £1,844 (so £89,179)
I see no details on limited build, but in effect it will be because I believe 911 production stops in May. I think if it was a couple of grand less, the Carrera T makes more sense. It will be interesting to compare value after a few years. For me, it's just not compelling enough in turbocharged form. If this was all happening as par of the 991.1 range, I would have been more interested. Until then, man maths + finance make Carrera S an obvious choice.
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