RE: Litchfield Audi RS3: Driven
Discussion
RacerMike said:
The reality is, being a Lichfield remap, it’s probably only recoded 509bhp on their dyno. On anyone else’s it’s probably ‘only’ about 470 which would be a bit more realistic. Even so....that’s a lot in an A3....
Litchfield have one of the most accurate and most advanced dynos in the world? (Unfortunate that the photos are now no longer working)http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/342162-litchfield-new-d...
Never read anything to state that Litchfields was a happy dyno? In addition, surely a before and after measuring the delta would let you see what you are getting?
MUN 802 said:
Yet another pay to advertise by PH......sort ya chit out
Why is everyone assuming this is a paid endorsement? Is it just the lack of PH exclusive photos - surely you know what a standard looking RS3 looks like!I find an article about a 500hp hatch to be of interest, so why wouldn't they drive it and report on it unless they'd been paid for it?
Leo-RS said:
Litchfield have one of the most accurate and most advanced dynos in the world? (Unfortunate that the photos are now no longer working)
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/342162-litchfield-new-d...
Never read anything to state that Litchfields was a happy dyno? In addition, surely a before and after measuring the delta would let you see what you are getting?
The release figures for the FD2 were laughable, massively inflated transmission losses to bump up the headline figures. That was back when they were alongside Powerstation though.http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/342162-litchfield-new-d...
Never read anything to state that Litchfields was a happy dyno? In addition, surely a before and after measuring the delta would let you see what you are getting?
Didn't stop me from buying one, mind.
gigglebug said:
RacerMike said:
The reality is, being a Lichfield remap, it’s probably only recoded 509bhp on their dyno. On anyone else’s it’s probably ‘only’ about 470 which would be a bit more realistic. Even so....that’s a lot in an A3....
Are they renowned for over exaggeration? I thought they were one of the most respected aftermarket tuners.I regularly had GTR works done there and dyno maps.
This showed similar starting outputs as measured on Dyno Dynamics kits at other places I tested so I don't really know where the scepticism is coming from (have you any data points?)
Regarding warranty - I also had quite a bit of warranty work honoured by Nissan - Having said that it was very reliable, and most of the works were nothing to do with the mods. Although they did change the bellhousing on warranty even with the mods.
Litchfield provided a warranty for GTR's they'd modified outside of Nissan - I had one but never had to use it.
Erm, is this yet another case of "only criticise a car once it's out of production and the manufacturer won't care"?!?
this article said:
but whereas the old RS3 was frustrating, hard-riding and defiantly nose-led this new version is engaging, composed and much better balanced
2012 article about the old RS3 said:
the unusually pointy front end, surprisingly supple passive dampers and fast, direct steering all make it a very, very effective B-road weapon
The engine and gearbox probably can take the extra power and torque but if there's an underlying issue from production that causes the failure, it could blamed on the remap and an easy get out for the manufacturer not to fix.
I own a 2016 Focus RS with the Ford approved FPM375. I toyed with the Mountune 380 or 400 but neither are Ford approved and with the rate of engine failures in the new RS, anyone modifying past FPM375 is braver than I. Some Ford dealers early on saw flashes on the ECU from remaps, including the non-approved Mountune ones, and rejected the warranty claim for a new engine which was >£6000. Some fought and Ford honoured though.
Impressive figures none the less but I'm more sensible these days and I buy new for the warranty and peace of mind.
I own a 2016 Focus RS with the Ford approved FPM375. I toyed with the Mountune 380 or 400 but neither are Ford approved and with the rate of engine failures in the new RS, anyone modifying past FPM375 is braver than I. Some Ford dealers early on saw flashes on the ECU from remaps, including the non-approved Mountune ones, and rejected the warranty claim for a new engine which was >£6000. Some fought and Ford honoured though.
Impressive figures none the less but I'm more sensible these days and I buy new for the warranty and peace of mind.
Brainpox said:
Why would they need to mention that?
A 500hp hatchback is something worth talking about. You don't need to tell me modifying my car will void its warranty
Exactly, the people on this site sure get really weird about nothing...... A 500hp hatchback is something worth talking about. You don't need to tell me modifying my car will void its warranty
It's all the things that they already know, for some reason, if it's not repeated they throw all the toys out...
WCZ said:
with the remap this must be the best value car on sale right now
If power is you thing you can buy a new Mustang for circa £36k, get Ford to fit you a supercharger for £10k, and get a bona fide 600bhp monster. As Ford supply and fit supercharger I believe the warranty should stay in tact too.wideangle852 said:
. . warranty well and truly voided . . also the twin clutch gearbox will not take the power . . that is why more powerful Audis now use the 8 speed auto . . how do I know? . . I had a gearbox error after 1 month then a full fail which required all out and new plates in my last RS3 within 3 months of brand new . . engineers admit its close to the limit . . I could not trust the gearbox again so traded it in straight away when an RS6 came in . .
Or it is cheaper to use a ZF box compared to manufacturing a new twin clutch one. Who wants those fast thumping gearshifts anyway when driving fast.Porsche911R said:
that's a bold claim from just a remap and intercooler.
on this engine before to get to 500bhp it needed a hybrid turbo !
the best in the org car was 430BHP with decat pipes ic and stuff.
does this new car have a bigger turbo than all the past 2.5 engine cars ?
Yes, different engine and bigger turbo in the new cars.on this engine before to get to 500bhp it needed a hybrid turbo !
the best in the org car was 430BHP with decat pipes ic and stuff.
does this new car have a bigger turbo than all the past 2.5 engine cars ?
The old car tuned up from 340 to 450 on Stage 2
The new car tunes up from 400 to around 530 on Stage 2 (At the moment, but cars are only a couple of months old at this stage) More in the US if on E85 fuel.
This Litchfield car has tuned to 507 with just tune and intercooler. The exhaust hasn't been touched yet and should be good for another 25hp.
Edited by Leo-RS on Wednesday 20th December 14:05
Leo-RS said:
Yes, different engine and bigger turbo in the new cars.
The old car tuned up from 340 to 450 on Stage 2
The new car tunes up from 400 to around 530 on Stage 2 (At the moment, but cars are only a couple of months old at this stage) More in the US if on E85 fuel.
This Litchfield car has tuned to 507 with just tune and intercooler. The exhaust hasn't been touched yet and should be good for another 25hp.
crazy, I love my 430BHP TTRS and my mate as just got the new TTRS, it's already crazy oem >500 bhp is lol in that car I would say.The old car tuned up from 340 to 450 on Stage 2
The new car tunes up from 400 to around 530 on Stage 2 (At the moment, but cars are only a couple of months old at this stage) More in the US if on E85 fuel.
This Litchfield car has tuned to 507 with just tune and intercooler. The exhaust hasn't been touched yet and should be good for another 25hp.
Edited by Leo-RS on Wednesday 20th December 14:05
havoc said:
Erm, is this yet another case of "only criticise a car once it's out of production and the manufacturer won't care"?!?
Are these reports from the same road test(er) though?this article said:
but whereas the old RS3 was frustrating, hard-riding and defiantly nose-led this new version is engaging, composed and much better balanced
2012 article about the old RS3 said:
the unusually pointy front end, surprisingly supple passive dampers and fast, direct steering all make it a very, very effective B-road weapon
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