RE: HPI's top 10 future classics
Discussion
The Z3's have been rising nicely for a few years now.
I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
Notanotherturbo said:
Hmmm not sure about a lot of those, good Minis and 205 GTis are already through the roof, Westfields will only be bought by those who can't afford a Caterham so their values will always sit 30% below an equivalent one. I like the C6s but they are £500 a year to tax and diesel is the new anthrax so that rules them out IMO. VX's and V6 GTVs are a good shout and are steadily rising already. Z3 2.8s I put in that camp too but the 4 cylinder cars are kach. I think the 3.2 TTs are a very good shout. Anything with a charismatic 6/8 cylinder engine is a good investment to my mind as you simply won't be able to buy cars in the future with these attributes. The Cube I just can't see it, it's hideous and RX8s - even if they treble in 5 years will still have cost you more in petrol and engines than you'll have appreciated in value.
My tips are far better :0)
My 10 in no particular order
Jaguar S Type R - 1/2 the money of an E39 M5 but comfier and quicker
Alpine GTA - Currently undervalued and just starting to rise - brilliant new model will see a big up turn in interest & values in the older cars.
Brera Prodrive - Limited numbers and fantastic looks - V6s are too heavy and £500 to tax
RX7 - Rising fast and will continue to.
Audi TT 3.2 - manual pre 2005 cars -
986 and 987 Boxster S - Latest model not so loved and 4 pot only
Alfas with a Busso - Not just GTAs - GTV,156, 166,
Mitsubishi EVO especially MK 6 and 7 - Same as RX7,
Classic Impreza - Standard or sensibly modified getting hard to find with low miles
Monaro - Very little else that's V8 manual.
For the RX8 £1500-2000 for a rebuild and you’re good for another 100k miles. Fuel is not great but even driven hard you are 20-25mpg range. Similar to all those other cars you listed and better in some cases. The unloved ones are dieing off and it’s only leaving the good ones which are going to be the ones that appreciate. TBH you don’t buy this car for that reason, it is fantastic performance car with an extremely lively engine.My tips are far better :0)
My 10 in no particular order
Jaguar S Type R - 1/2 the money of an E39 M5 but comfier and quicker
Alpine GTA - Currently undervalued and just starting to rise - brilliant new model will see a big up turn in interest & values in the older cars.
Brera Prodrive - Limited numbers and fantastic looks - V6s are too heavy and £500 to tax
RX7 - Rising fast and will continue to.
Audi TT 3.2 - manual pre 2005 cars -
986 and 987 Boxster S - Latest model not so loved and 4 pot only
Alfas with a Busso - Not just GTAs - GTV,156, 166,
Mitsubishi EVO especially MK 6 and 7 - Same as RX7,
Classic Impreza - Standard or sensibly modified getting hard to find with low miles
Monaro - Very little else that's V8 manual.
Scottie - NW said:
The Z3's have been rising nicely for a few years now.
I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
Trade it in for one of the other cars on the thread I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
CountZero23 said:
Scottie - NW said:
The Z3's have been rising nicely for a few years now.
I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
Trade it in for one of the other cars on the thread I bought one just over 3 years ago for 3k, a 2001 facelift sport, black, hard top etc, not a lot of miles...and when i checked a few months ago I'd now have to pay between 6 and 7k for the same car.
I don't like it dynamically, but is a 3rd car and can not sell the damn thing due to knowing the values are rising, I have been keeping track of them for 3 years so HPI are correct on this one....you don't have to like the car.
Problem is whatever car i trade it in for had to be suitable for a 17 year old to get insured on
ZX10R NIN said:
No chance for the C6/Z3/Cube the others are already rising & no surprise I'd insert the S2000/Uno Turbo/Aristo Vertex.
I'd agree with the S2000, but not the other two. I'd rather have an unmolested original Cube than an Uno Turbo. IMHO, a Panda 4x4 original would be a better choice.I'll confess that I don't know what makes the Toyota special, but the C6 has at least a bit of left field about it.
Mr Tidy said:
Good luck with that plan! 
Not cheap any more, IME not that great either - good luck! (Blew the head gasket on my mate's one at Silverstone, which I believe is a common failing of these)!
I had a couple of 2.8 Injection Capris back in the 80s and he had an XR4i which just didn't know when to stop!
But now I have a BMW Z4 Coupe now that is probably worth about the same as a good 2.8i Capri/XR4i but has another 100 bhp, or 60ish more than a standard Cosworth!
I know it isn't a "classic" in any way, shape or form (yet) but it is just so much better in every other way!
Not cheap any more, IME not that great either - good luck! (Blew the head gasket on my mate's one at Silverstone, which I believe is a common failing of these)!
I had a couple of 2.8 Injection Capris back in the 80s and he had an XR4i which just didn't know when to stop!
But now I have a BMW Z4 Coupe now that is probably worth about the same as a good 2.8i Capri/XR4i but has another 100 bhp, or 60ish more than a standard Cosworth!
I know it isn't a "classic" in any way, shape or form (yet) but it is just so much better in every other way!
Mr Tidy said:
Mr Tidy said:
Good luck with that plan!
Not cheap any more, IME not that great either - good luck! (Blew the head gasket on my mate's one at Silverstone, which I believe is a common failing of these)!
I had a couple of 2.8 Injection Capris back in the 80s and he had an XR4i which just didn't know when to stop!
But now I have a BMW Z4 Coupe now that is probably worth about the same as a good 2.8i Capri/XR4i but has another 100 bhp, or 60ish more than a standard Cosworth!
I know it isn't a "classic" in any way, shape or form (yet) but it is just so much better in every other way!
Not cheap any more, IME not that great either - good luck! (Blew the head gasket on my mate's one at Silverstone, which I believe is a common failing of these)!
I had a couple of 2.8 Injection Capris back in the 80s and he had an XR4i which just didn't know when to stop!
But now I have a BMW Z4 Coupe now that is probably worth about the same as a good 2.8i Capri/XR4i but has another 100 bhp, or 60ish more than a standard Cosworth!
I know it isn't a "classic" in any way, shape or form (yet) but it is just so much better in every other way!
culpz said:
Some of these are definitely going to spark up alot of controversy, that's for sure! Here's my view on each:
Westfield - all models, £6,000-£15,000 - Yes but it's not surprising really. Depreciation on such kit cars is practically nil. They can only go one way and it ain't down!
Vauxhall VX220 - all models, £9,000-£13,000 - Yes but, again, not surprising. These have already been steadily rising over the years. Almost guaranteed to go up.
Peugeot 205 - GTI 1.6 and 1.9, £4,000-£9,000 - Yes. Same as the above two. A very obvious one to carry on appreciating over time.
Audi TT - 3.2 V6, £3,000-£6,000 - Not convinced. Not particularly special enough and can still be had sub 3k. Been that way for a while now.
BMW Z3 - all models, £1,500-£6,000 - Not convinced at all. Not as good as the Z4 and they're in the same boat. Not that well received. Only the 2.8 6-cylinders may keep their value, at best.
Citroen C6 - all models, £4,000-£8,000 - Not a chance.
Rover Mini - all models, £3,000-£8,000 - Potentially. Universally loved and a real analogue experience. Getting rare now.
Alfa Romeo GTV - all models, £1,000-£6,000 - Not convinced. Not really that special. Only the 2.5 V6 could swing it for higher values.
Nissan Cube - all models, £2,000-£5,000 - Not a chance.
Mazda RX-8 - all models, £500-£3,000 - Not convinced. They can be had way too cheap for them to rise significantly.
What you've done is agree with the predictions that have already risen in part. The rest you say don't have a chance. Of course the idea of the article is FUTURE classics but never mind. Westfield - all models, £6,000-£15,000 - Yes but it's not surprising really. Depreciation on such kit cars is practically nil. They can only go one way and it ain't down!
Vauxhall VX220 - all models, £9,000-£13,000 - Yes but, again, not surprising. These have already been steadily rising over the years. Almost guaranteed to go up.
Peugeot 205 - GTI 1.6 and 1.9, £4,000-£9,000 - Yes. Same as the above two. A very obvious one to carry on appreciating over time.
Audi TT - 3.2 V6, £3,000-£6,000 - Not convinced. Not particularly special enough and can still be had sub 3k. Been that way for a while now.
BMW Z3 - all models, £1,500-£6,000 - Not convinced at all. Not as good as the Z4 and they're in the same boat. Not that well received. Only the 2.8 6-cylinders may keep their value, at best.
Citroen C6 - all models, £4,000-£8,000 - Not a chance.
Rover Mini - all models, £3,000-£8,000 - Potentially. Universally loved and a real analogue experience. Getting rare now.
Alfa Romeo GTV - all models, £1,000-£6,000 - Not convinced. Not really that special. Only the 2.5 V6 could swing it for higher values.
Nissan Cube - all models, £2,000-£5,000 - Not a chance.
Mazda RX-8 - all models, £500-£3,000 - Not convinced. They can be had way too cheap for them to rise significantly.
maxwellwd said:
J4CKO said:
TT V6 is quite a risky purchse, I looked at them but the potential mechatronic (most are DSG) and cam chain issues, along with all the other reliability joys a TT brings by default put me off. a three grand V6 can cost another five grand if you buy (and fix) the wrong one, I went for a 225 for those reasons and you can modify it to beyond the power of a V6 very easily.
I prefer it to my 944, there I said it.
I had a TT 225 for four years, did a stage 1 remap and it pretty damn quick. The acceleration on boost feels not much slower than my 996 3.4. Mine was a money pit over that four years though, laughable really that now you can pick up a good one for a couple of grand, still a gorgeous design in my bookI prefer it to my 944, there I said it.
I think there are just too many TT's still about though they are getting broken, will be a case of people thinking there will always be that two grand example but they will dry upI did consider the V6 but too risky and a £300 remap, like you say makes the 225 faster anyway, if without the soundtrack but I also quite like the Hoover thats sicked up Lego and isnt happy about it noises the Turbo makes, plus it doesnt have all that weight over the front wheels.
People talk about understeer on these, was throwing it about last night and didnt experience any, how fast do they go on the road ?
delta0 said:
Notanotherturbo said:
Hmmm not sure about a lot of those, good Minis and 205 GTis are already through the roof, Westfields will only be bought by those who can't afford a Caterham so their values will always sit 30% below an equivalent one. I like the C6s but they are £500 a year to tax and diesel is the new anthrax so that rules them out IMO. VX's and V6 GTVs are a good shout and are steadily rising already. Z3 2.8s I put in that camp too but the 4 cylinder cars are kach. I think the 3.2 TTs are a very good shout. Anything with a charismatic 6/8 cylinder engine is a good investment to my mind as you simply won't be able to buy cars in the future with these attributes. The Cube I just can't see it, it's hideous and RX8s - even if they treble in 5 years will still have cost you more in petrol and engines than you'll have appreciated in value.
My tips are far better :0)
My 10 in no particular order
Jaguar S Type R - 1/2 the money of an E39 M5 but comfier and quicker
Alpine GTA - Currently undervalued and just starting to rise - brilliant new model will see a big up turn in interest & values in the older cars.
Brera Prodrive - Limited numbers and fantastic looks - V6s are too heavy and £500 to tax
RX7 - Rising fast and will continue to.
Audi TT 3.2 - manual pre 2005 cars -
986 and 987 Boxster S - Latest model not so loved and 4 pot only
Alfas with a Busso - Not just GTAs - GTV,156, 166,
Mitsubishi EVO especially MK 6 and 7 - Same as RX7,
Classic Impreza - Standard or sensibly modified getting hard to find with low miles
Monaro - Very little else that's V8 manual.
For the RX8 £1500-2000 for a rebuild and you’re good for another 100k miles. Fuel is not great but even driven hard you are 20-25mpg range. Similar to all those other cars you listed and better in some cases. The unloved ones are dieing off and it’s only leaving the good ones which are going to be the ones that appreciate. TBH you don’t buy this car for that reason, it is fantastic performance car with an extremely lively engine.My tips are far better :0)
My 10 in no particular order
Jaguar S Type R - 1/2 the money of an E39 M5 but comfier and quicker
Alpine GTA - Currently undervalued and just starting to rise - brilliant new model will see a big up turn in interest & values in the older cars.
Brera Prodrive - Limited numbers and fantastic looks - V6s are too heavy and £500 to tax
RX7 - Rising fast and will continue to.
Audi TT 3.2 - manual pre 2005 cars -
986 and 987 Boxster S - Latest model not so loved and 4 pot only
Alfas with a Busso - Not just GTAs - GTV,156, 166,
Mitsubishi EVO especially MK 6 and 7 - Same as RX7,
Classic Impreza - Standard or sensibly modified getting hard to find with low miles
Monaro - Very little else that's V8 manual.
JRzwevegem said:
What about the E36 M3? Prices are allready going up. And a real drivers car
The market appeared to have skipped the E36 M3’s (aside from the evolution variants). A little biased, but I’d say the smart money is on the E46 M3’s. The E30’s are already in the silly strata. I spent a fair while sourcing the right manual M3. Good cars are in demand and prices are rising quickly. The one car I was sure about many years ago was the Subaru Impreza 22b - I couldn't afford them when they were £30K, but that's life.
I'll probably get these wrong, but I think these will be sought after in another 20 years:
Honda S2000
BMW Z4 (Bangle)
Toyota GT86
Renaultsport Clio V6
Renault Twingo
I'll probably get these wrong, but I think these will be sought after in another 20 years:
Honda S2000
BMW Z4 (Bangle)
Toyota GT86
Renaultsport Clio V6
Renault Twingo
B.J.W said:
JRzwevegem said:
What about the E36 M3? Prices are allready going up. And a real drivers car
The market appeared to have skipped the E36 M3’s (aside from the evolution variants). A little biased, but I’d say the smart money is on the E46 M3’s. The E30’s are already in the silly strata. I spent a fair while sourcing the right manual M3. Good cars are in demand and prices are rising quickly. And E36s have risen too...you need £10k+ for anything decent these days.
So in 20 years time when fuel stations are a rare site, I can see the classic car market going through complete collapse, bar the very very top tier of classic exotics, the rest will slowly dissapear due to being worthless and useless
The legislation will kill the market imo, who’s going to want to own a 205gti or a cosworth you can only take to a private road to drive if you can find and afford the petrol, the whole classic market will implode if the way the car industry is supposedly going I just can’t see a big market for them and they will just dissapear
Sad times but you just no it’s coming unfortunately
The legislation will kill the market imo, who’s going to want to own a 205gti or a cosworth you can only take to a private road to drive if you can find and afford the petrol, the whole classic market will implode if the way the car industry is supposedly going I just can’t see a big market for them and they will just dissapear
Sad times but you just no it’s coming unfortunately
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