VW Auto hold - advice on freak incident
Discussion
GroundEffect said:
Hill hold and handbrake are very different things.
Hill Hold is temporary to help you launch on a grade, especially with a manual vehicle.
So if you really mean you left the car with hill hold only and you turned off the engine then you really have been a bit silly...
It's not hill-hold in his car. Another poster already covered that point.Hill Hold is temporary to help you launch on a grade, especially with a manual vehicle.
So if you really mean you left the car with hill hold only and you turned off the engine then you really have been a bit silly...
AlrightYouns said:
OP, lot of assumptions on this thread... did you apply and handbrake and/or park it in gear?
Like the man said...fourstardan said:
I am pulling my hair out trying to understand whats happened and whether this really was just me being a pillock and to blame for assuming and not being vigilant that the car wasn't in handbrake mode.
Reads clearly to me that he assumed the auto-hold would stop it rolling off, and didn't bother with the handbrake. He says it's a manual... and he doesn't mention switching the engine off. Mebbe it stop-start stopped.Sheepshanks said:
GroundEffect said:
Hill hold and handbrake are very different things.
Hill Hold is temporary to help you launch on a grade, especially with a manual vehicle.
So if you really mean you left the car with hill hold only and you turned off the engine then you really have been a bit silly...
It's not hill-hold in his car. Another poster already covered that point.Hill Hold is temporary to help you launch on a grade, especially with a manual vehicle.
So if you really mean you left the car with hill hold only and you turned off the engine then you really have been a bit silly...
VW said:
Auto Hold is an extension of our electronic parking brake system. It stops your car from accidentally rolling backwards when you're stationary, or setting off on a hill. That means you won't need to keep applying the parking brake manually, check whether you've applied enough braking pressure, or worry about rolling back as you prepare to move off.
It's convenient, more comfortable, and safer in situations where your car needs to be kept stationary with the engine running - in slow moving traffic, for example.
The system is operated via the ABS/ESP hydraulic unit. When you brake your car to a stop, Auto Hold keeps the braking pressure you last applied. You can take your foot off the brake pedal and all four wheel brakes will stay on.
If the ABS wheel speed sensors detect any rolling, the braking force is automatically increased until your car comes to a standstill again. This may be the case if, for example, you brake gently to a stop on a hill. As soon as you press the accelerator again and, in the case of manual gearboxes, release the clutch, Auto Hold reduces the braking pressure again.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/auto-hold It's convenient, more comfortable, and safer in situations where your car needs to be kept stationary with the engine running - in slow moving traffic, for example.
The system is operated via the ABS/ESP hydraulic unit. When you brake your car to a stop, Auto Hold keeps the braking pressure you last applied. You can take your foot off the brake pedal and all four wheel brakes will stay on.
If the ABS wheel speed sensors detect any rolling, the braking force is automatically increased until your car comes to a standstill again. This may be the case if, for example, you brake gently to a stop on a hill. As soon as you press the accelerator again and, in the case of manual gearboxes, release the clutch, Auto Hold reduces the braking pressure again.
If it is neutral gear and you release the clutch, it disengages?
Sheepshanks said:
vonhosen said:
Auto hold isn't a feature for use at journey end when exiting the vehicle (the manual electronic parking brake is).
It's a convenience feature for during the journey (in lieu of using the manual electronic parking brake feature).
It was confusion over how it all interacts that caused us to just turn it off. In an auto car it's not needed anyway, other than to manually apply the parking brake when needed.
However you need to turn auto hold on at the beginning of each vehicle start up if you want to utilise it.
When you turn the engine off it won't automatically still be activated when you switch engine back on. You have to turn the feature on again.
I know that but I don't know if it automatically changes from auto hold to EPB when you switch engine off because I've never tried that (I've always manually applied the EPB at journey end to be sure).
TooMany2cvs said:
AlrightYouns said:
OP, lot of assumptions on this thread... did you apply and handbrake and/or park it in gear?
Like the man said...fourstardan said:
I am pulling my hair out trying to understand whats happened and whether this really was just me being a pillock and to blame for assuming and not being vigilant that the car wasn't in handbrake mode.
Reads clearly to me that he assumed the auto-hold would stop it rolling off, and didn't bother with the handbrake. He says it's a manual... and he doesn't mention switching the engine off. Mebbe it stop-start stopped.
Here, have a watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-fFC1S7HvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAAtveZcDQ
In the VW video, it states that if the door is opened while the AHH is active, it automatically applies the E-brake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-fFC1S7HvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAAtveZcDQ
In the VW video, it states that if the door is opened while the AHH is active, it automatically applies the E-brake.
Edited by Alucidnation on Saturday 23 December 17:05
Alucidnation said:
Here, have a watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-fFC1S7HvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAAtveZcDQ
Sound like an American trying to do a German accent that sounds rather Dutch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-fFC1S7HvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVAAtveZcDQ
On our tiguan you never have to manually apply the parking brake, auto hold is always on (i just leave it on and it does not switch off when the engine is restarted) and holds the car until you set off again. Also when you turn the ignition off,the parking brake automatically applies itself. The old shape tiguan we used to have was also the same but it had the dsg box and our current one is manual. I think on two occasions it has got confused when stopping and not put the brake on, but never when its been parked and left.
In both the vw,s I have had, I have never had to manually put the parking brake on, its always been automatic so the op may well have a problem with his.
In both the vw,s I have had, I have never had to manually put the parking brake on, its always been automatic so the op may well have a problem with his.
vonhosen said:
Yes auto hold & manual EPB tend to release when throttle is pressed.
However you need to turn auto hold on at the beginning of each vehicle start up if you want to utilise it.
When you turn the engine off it won't automatically still be activated when you switch engine back on. You have to turn the feature on again.
Stays on in ours. As confirmed by above poster.However you need to turn auto hold on at the beginning of each vehicle start up if you want to utilise it.
When you turn the engine off it won't automatically still be activated when you switch engine back on. You have to turn the feature on again.
vonhosen said:
I know that but I don't know if it automatically changes from auto hold to EPB when you switch engine off because I've never tried that (I've always manually applied the EPB at journey end to be sure).
If you just drive off with the handbrake engaged and it will auto release. If you do that it will auto apply at the end of the journey. I don't know how that interacts with auto-hold, other than after a while of being stopped auto-hold will engage the handbrake.I'm sure it's as counter-intuitive to you as it is to me, but what you're supposed to do is leave everything in auto and just drive.
The mk2 Tiguan works well without manual intervention, I never have to touch it. auto hold (green park brake light) comes on when you stop, park brake (red bark brake light) comes on when you stop and turn off the ignition
But- the only time it’s been screwy is when the driver’s door is open before you stop, then iirc you have to manually put on the handbrake by pressing the handbrake button..?
But- the only time it’s been screwy is when the driver’s door is open before you stop, then iirc you have to manually put on the handbrake by pressing the handbrake button..?
essayer said:
But- the only time it’s been screwy is when the driver’s door is open before you stop, then iirc you have to manually put on the handbrake by pressing the handbrake button..?
We certainly had an incident in ours where I was doing something "non-standard" - reversed into our drive to stop for a moment to pick something up. I turned the engine off but left the selector in Drive. Got out and the car started to roll. No idea why auto-hold or the parking brake didn't engage - I think it should still work with the car in Drive - and it was that that caused to turn it all off and just use the parking brake manually when needed.Edited by Sheepshanks on Sunday 24th December 09:00
Pica-Pica said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Muddle238 said:
What happened here was you got out of a car on a slope, without applying the handbrake, it's not surprising it ended up in a fence. Just lucky it didn't mow down a child!
The obligatory "think of the children" post.Once again I am obliged to ask....would it not have mattered if it had hit an adult? Is it ok to kill or injure them? Why do only children matter?
wack said:
Pica-Pica said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Muddle238 said:
What happened here was you got out of a car on a slope, without applying the handbrake, it's not surprising it ended up in a fence. Just lucky it didn't mow down a child!
The obligatory "think of the children" post.Once again I am obliged to ask....would it not have mattered if it had hit an adult? Is it ok to kill or injure them? Why do only children matter?
I drive loads of different Volkswagens
Why use autohold? I instantly switch it off of every car I get into. A quick flick of the handbrake switch and check for the handbrake light before you leave the car is super easy.
Post up pictures of the damage. You might be able to polish it out, or have options other than going through insurance. Bumper repairs can be as little as £300 for a full repaint.
Why use autohold? I instantly switch it off of every car I get into. A quick flick of the handbrake switch and check for the handbrake light before you leave the car is super easy.
Post up pictures of the damage. You might be able to polish it out, or have options other than going through insurance. Bumper repairs can be as little as £300 for a full repaint.
I had a 2011Tiguan and had the car creep away from me three times in the three year ownership. Each time I had stopped and engaged the auto handbrake but after getting out and doing something (taking cases out of the boot or such like) it started to roll away from me.
I feel your pain OP and know it wasn’t anything else I hadn’t done as muscle memory doesn’t really play tricks on me that often.
I feel your pain OP and know it wasn’t anything else I hadn’t done as muscle memory doesn’t really play tricks on me that often.
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