RE: PH 2017: Surprise of the year
Discussion
RamboLambo said:
theplayingmantis said:
assume this is a joke.
Nope, the joke is on you if you don't get it. Much rather have a Kia than some of the carp the germans are producing right now. You just have to part with your badge snobbery and look at the products objectivelytheplayingmantis said:
work for kia much, jeez straight out of central marketing, do try to be less transparent:
"the Stinger is miles ahead is every department"
" a great driver's car from a brand pushing their own boundaries"
its not a great drivers car. its ok. the fact thats its a kia people seem to think gets it extra credits as a 'driver's' car. and thats the top spec. the lesser specs are gash, but everyone conveniently ignores that. what cars i have is irrelevant, Ive driven good cars and bad cars. none you've mentioned though.
in what possible way is the stinger miles ahead of vauxhall or ford in similar priced vehicles? (appreciate there's no like for like but lets say insignia/mondeo for comparisons sake as they p all over the awful optima)
interior quality, fit and finish? nope, similar.
handling? nope
power? ok you have that
build quality? we dont know.
warranty? i wish you well in getting them to claim anything isnt just normal wear and tear and not covered.
You've made your mind up! And made me chuckle at the sheer bloody-minded determinedness to dislike something, Well done! In a legion of imbeciles with sufficiently opposable thumbs that make typing easy, you're my favourite, even beating the noble Yipper. I am not going to argue with you because it would be pointless. You have your no-doubt extensively researched opinion and I have mine. I don't think I would be quite so trenchantly opposed to something like this though. I might reserve my ire for for really stultifying abominations - wayward cyclists or the unassailable rise of the SUV perhaps. "the Stinger is miles ahead is every department"
" a great driver's car from a brand pushing their own boundaries"
its not a great drivers car. its ok. the fact thats its a kia people seem to think gets it extra credits as a 'driver's' car. and thats the top spec. the lesser specs are gash, but everyone conveniently ignores that. what cars i have is irrelevant, Ive driven good cars and bad cars. none you've mentioned though.
in what possible way is the stinger miles ahead of vauxhall or ford in similar priced vehicles? (appreciate there's no like for like but lets say insignia/mondeo for comparisons sake as they p all over the awful optima)
interior quality, fit and finish? nope, similar.
handling? nope
power? ok you have that
build quality? we dont know.
warranty? i wish you well in getting them to claim anything isnt just normal wear and tear and not covered.
RamboLambo said:
Alfa and build quality just don't go together. Ticking time bomb hope you get out before it falls apart and the electrics go haywire. I'm sure Alfa's warranty is bombproof though ie they wont cover anything at all
ooo i have a stalker!ive never compared it to my any of my cars, and never said alfa's quality is good. its not. its lacking. i don't pretend or claim otherwise though.
guess i will have to use the picanto then (yes i have brand experience, we needed a white good, we got one).or any of the other cars we have, if your that interested do you research. go buy your ok'ish embarrassment mobile!
anyway im done for the day, you've been a good sport and provided decent entertainment. home time, i will be back at 9am tomorrow when i imagine the office will be even deader than today.
i might check this out on the train though unless there an evening standard today, but i fear there isn't.
Simonium said:
theplayingmantis said:
work for kia much, jeez straight out of central marketing, do try to be less transparent:
"the Stinger is miles ahead is every department"
" a great driver's car from a brand pushing their own boundaries"
its not a great drivers car. its ok. the fact thats its a kia people seem to think gets it extra credits as a 'driver's' car. and thats the top spec. the lesser specs are gash, but everyone conveniently ignores that. what cars i have is irrelevant, Ive driven good cars and bad cars. none you've mentioned though.
in what possible way is the stinger miles ahead of vauxhall or ford in similar priced vehicles? (appreciate there's no like for like but lets say insignia/mondeo for comparisons sake as they p all over the awful optima)
interior quality, fit and finish? nope, similar.
handling? nope
power? ok you have that
build quality? we dont know.
warranty? i wish you well in getting them to claim anything isnt just normal wear and tear and not covered.
You've made your mind up! And made me chuckle at the sheer bloody-minded determinedness to dislike something, Well done! In a legion of imbeciles with sufficiently opposable thumbs that make typing easy, you're my favourite, even beating the noble Yipper. I am not going to argue with you because it would be pointless. You have your no-doubt extensively researched opinion and I have mine. I don't think I would be quite so trenchantly opposed to something like this though. I might reserve my ire for for really stultifying abominations - wayward cyclists or the unassailable rise of the SUV perhaps. "the Stinger is miles ahead is every department"
" a great driver's car from a brand pushing their own boundaries"
its not a great drivers car. its ok. the fact thats its a kia people seem to think gets it extra credits as a 'driver's' car. and thats the top spec. the lesser specs are gash, but everyone conveniently ignores that. what cars i have is irrelevant, Ive driven good cars and bad cars. none you've mentioned though.
in what possible way is the stinger miles ahead of vauxhall or ford in similar priced vehicles? (appreciate there's no like for like but lets say insignia/mondeo for comparisons sake as they p all over the awful optima)
interior quality, fit and finish? nope, similar.
handling? nope
power? ok you have that
build quality? we dont know.
warranty? i wish you well in getting them to claim anything isnt just normal wear and tear and not covered.
i dont dislike it though. its ok. nothing more nothing less. its a curiosity.
potato, potoato. it deosnt really matter, when trump and kim kick off KIA will cease to be anyway.
cayman-black said:
Looks like you will be buying the Mclaren factory if these go well Rambo...
Hardly, its only a couple of thousand units a year and not a volume car but more a statement and "Halo" car but don't worry there is plenty more to come from Kia so I have 3 future cars on order - watch this space
ZX10R NIN said:
I don't want to be pedantic but the Camaro in the photo is a ZL1 1LE
If not superfluous, I'll add that... The ZL1 with 1LE Track Package is, to me, a feat of both engineering and product management. It's not from the small and sprightly school of post-War sports cars. Rather, there's something indomitable and just a little bit preposterous about it. Like something unveiled by the Pentagon.
Yet it's also a daily driver with manners, mod cons, two (if you must) rear seats and a boot.
One of the US magazines reckon that "it's the greatest track car GM has ever made."
theplayingmantis said:
do not compare me to yipper...
i dont dislike it though. its ok. nothing more nothing less. its a curiosity.
potato, potoato. it deosnt really matter, when trump and kim kick off KIA will cease to be anyway.
I agree. At least yipper knows to put a capital after a full stop......................................i dont dislike it though. its ok. nothing more nothing less. its a curiosity.
potato, potoato. it deosnt really matter, when trump and kim kick off KIA will cease to be anyway.
The only one that interests me is that Camaro.
It is mega.
The only downside is that a traditional muscle car was always something of an underdog and it's more expensive and less actual "fun" when they start becoming incredibly good. That wasn't in the plan.
I'd also like a Cadillac CTS-V.
It is mega.
The only downside is that a traditional muscle car was always something of an underdog and it's more expensive and less actual "fun" when they start becoming incredibly good. That wasn't in the plan.
I'd also like a Cadillac CTS-V.
Mike Duff said:
let's hope that GM starts to think outside the States in future
I would love for this to happen, as the culture of Mustang has only been enriched by ex-US owners and, in particular, by fans in the UK and Australia.But, sadly, the maths will prove unhelpful.
The likes of Camaro, Charger, and Mustang were created for a market with low on-the-road costs, low fuel costs, and a large middle class with a high disposable income. Australia comes closest to this and, indeed, the Australian market buys nearly as many Mustangs per capita as the American.
Ford was brilliant (and brave) with its decision to take Mustang global. For all but a handful of countries, however, this is almost certainly more of a corporate campaign than the pursuit of a business case. To make the sums sustainable, Ford removed from the international Mustang basic kit that is standard in the US models. And neither the full Mustang range nor the full range of options is offered abroad.
In a good year, Corvette can achieve 3,000 units sold, on average, per month. In lesser years, sales are as few as 1,000 units monthly. Probably 98 percent of those figures are US and Canada.
From time to time, GM makes noises about Corvette barely achieving its business case. And this is why, most likely, the next generation of Corvette, the mid-engined C8, will move the brand further upmarket -- where it can command higher prices, greater margin and a sustainable business case both within the US and globally. At relatively low sales numbers.
Drove the Kia Stinger the other day. The car is a good car full stop. Hugely practical, super comfy, kinda sexy, and all the performance you need really. I absolutely love the badge snobbery. It’s forcing my local Kia sell at a significant price cut. It’s just too good of a deal to pass by. Unlike the states where Kia is quite well known my country, mine is selling the GT2 fully loaded package for the price of the base GT. 365hp, RWD, LSD, Nappa leather, CarPlay, 19in rims, headsup display, power seats, tailgate, etc for the price of a Bmw 320i still with 16in wheels and no options.
My car will be here in March
My car will be here in March
unsprung said:
ZX10R NIN said:
I don't want to be pedantic but the Camaro in the photo is a ZL1 1LE
If not superfluous, I'll add that... The ZL1 with 1LE Track Package is, to me, a feat of both engineering and product management. It's not from the small and sprightly school of post-War sports cars. Rather, there's something indomitable and just a little bit preposterous about it. Like something unveiled by the Pentagon.
Yet it's also a daily driver with manners, mod cons, two (if you must) rear seats and a boot.
One of the US magazines reckon that "it's the greatest track car GM has ever made."
SavageGeese ZL1 1LE
saxy said:
Drove the Kia Stinger the other day. The car is a good car full stop. Hugely practical, super comfy, kinda sexy, and all the performance you need really. I absolutely love the badge snobbery. It’s forcing my local Kia sell at a significant price cut. It’s just too good of a deal to pass by. Unlike the states where Kia is quite well known my country, mine is selling the GT2 fully loaded package for the price of the base GT. 365hp, RWD, LSD, Nappa leather, CarPlay, 19in rims, headsup display, power seats, tailgate, etc for the price of a Bmw 320i still with 16in wheels and no options.
My car will be here in March
sadly society will think you have failed though. such is the badge snobberyMy car will be here in March
kambites said:
theplayingmantis said:
sadly society will think you have failed though. such is the badge snobbery
I'm not sure that's really true on the other side of the Atlantic. Futse said:
theplayingmantis said:
sadly society will think you have failed though. such is the badge snobbery
Sad if you're bothered by thattheplayingmantis said:
RamboLambo said:
Alfa and build quality just don't go together. Ticking time bomb hope you get out before it falls apart and the electrics go haywire. I'm sure Alfa's warranty is bombproof though ie they wont cover anything at all
ooo i have a stalker!ive never compared it to my any of my cars...
Earlier that day theplayingmantis said:
The interior quality of the top of the line stinger is on par with your common lesser spotted, ford, VW, renault, insert generic mainstream 'non luxury' brand. Its worse then in my alfa which is saying something...
Doubt it took much stalking to work out you have an Alfa. You’d mentioned it when you were comparing your Alfa to the stinger.theplayingmantis said:
saxy said:
365hp, RWD, LSD, Nappa leather, CarPlay, 19in rims, headsup display, power seats, tailgate, etc for the price of a Bmw 320i still with 16in wheels and no options.
My car will be here in March
sadly society will think you have failed though. such is the badge snobberyMy car will be here in March
(no offence to any Mr Jones’ or people that live at no.42)
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