RE: McLaren Senna on the road!
Discussion
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
Julian Thompson said:
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
That, is an exceptionally valid point. I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
fblm said:
I disagree. All the elements of the k evo rear aero are quite slender viewed from all other angles. Of course there are more beautiful cars (like the poverty spec k 
) but what else is in the same ballpark in terms of aero performance? You'd really have to hold a special hatred for Ferrari to suggest the fxx is not in a different league aesthetically to the Senna.
Well that’s the thing about subjective opinion - there is no absolute right or wrong. ) but what else is in the same ballpark in terms of aero performance? You'd really have to hold a special hatred for Ferrari to suggest the fxx is not in a different league aesthetically to the Senna. I disagree with you, I think that Ferrari is no better looking. The long front overhang and high fin on the rear deck look truly awful.
I prefer a more svelte look.
I’ve no hatred for Ferrari either - I own a couple.
Maldini35 said:
I disagree with you, I think that Ferrari is no better looking. The long front overhang and high fin on the rear deck look truly awful.
I prefer a more svelte look.
Uh, the P15 has an equally long (if not more so) front overhang.......I prefer a more svelte look.
Svelte isn't really the word I'd use to describe the car either!!
Sway said:
Julian Thompson said:
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
That, is an exceptionally valid point. I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
havoc said:
Sway said:
Julian Thompson said:
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
That, is an exceptionally valid point. I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
When did you drive it? Or are you meaning it's not aesthetically out of this world...which McLaren have said aren't it's target....it's for performance. Shouldn't you therefore judge its being out of this world or not based on its performance? I can't see how that can be done without driving it, or at least knowing it's capabilities? It's going to be quicker than a P1, so it's going to be pretty nippy.
E65Ross said:
havoc said:
Sway said:
Julian Thompson said:
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
That, is an exceptionally valid point. I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
When did you drive it? Or are you meaning it's not aesthetically out of this world...which McLaren have said aren't it's target....it's for performance. Shouldn't you therefore judge its being out of this world or not based on its performance? I can't see how that can be done without driving it, or at least knowing it's capabilities? It's going to be quicker than a P1, so it's going to be pretty nippy.
Edited by Julian Thompson on Saturday 6th January 13:03
E65Ross said:
gigglebug said:
big_rob_sydney said:
E65Ross said:
big_rob_sydney said:
The aerodynamics make it sensational to drive...?
On the m25?? Past cameras on a gantry???
What crack have you been smoking.
You always come up with the most bizarre posts. It's a road car.....let's say, for example, it was being driven to a track and had to go down the M25 to get there....On the m25?? Past cameras on a gantry???
What crack have you been smoking.
What you're saying is akin to seeing a Caterham in a supermarket car park and say "that car is pointless"
tboxes hemming it in, and being driven by OAP's.By all means, explain to us how the aerodynamics make it sensational to drive, when its stuck mindlessly droning past cameras at 70mph on the m25.
The writer is getting wet about its performance, and the context is precisely what has been discussed IN THE ARTICLE. I am laughing at the writers reaction to what has been presented in front of our very eyes, as opposed to what it "might" be like if ones imagination were applied.
But then, asking people to judge what is right in front of them may be too difficult.
E65Ross said:
havoc said:
Sway said:
Julian Thompson said:
Noting everyone’s angle with respect and interest.
I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
That, is an exceptionally valid point. I’d like to add only one thing - it’s the name. That’s all. The name means everything. They had one chance to use it. And they used it on this. If they’d have made this a P2 or an MP799s or whatever it would have been fine.
But Senna?
That was never going to end well unless the car was truly something absolutely out of this world. Which it’s not.
When did you drive it? Or are you meaning it's not aesthetically out of this world...which McLaren have said aren't it's target....it's for performance. Shouldn't you therefore judge its being out of this world or not based on its performance? I can't see how that can be done without driving it, or at least knowing it's capabilities? It's going to be quicker than a P1, so it's going to be pretty nippy.
The sort of thing that the F1 was - the next order above everything that had come before. That car had, effectively, the cachet of a 'money zero object' approach - leading to it's price being a multiple of everything else available.
Today, that would mean a car that is to the Valkyrie what the F1 was to the F50. A ten million dollar car with bespoke everything, and utilising the absolute least compromise to design intent vehicle in the market.
The Senna will no doubt be quick, and likely sublime on track, but that's not the cut above everything else (especially the pair coming from AM and MB that will be a couple of times the price) that Mclaren have built a big reputation for, and the name deserves.
SteelySteve said:
Are we talking about the same P1?
Wow that looks incredible. That's not a regular P1 is it? (I'm not up on McLarens at all). That looks so much better than the black car being talked about here. Admire McLaren for making it, but it looks far too busy and the rear wing is ridiculous. Fortunately It's car credentials don't matter at this end of the market.
Durzel said:
Wow that looks incredible. That's not a regular P1 is it? (I'm not up on McLarens at all). That looks so much better than the black car being talked about here.
Admire McLaren for making it, but it looks far too busy and the rear wing is ridiculous. Fortunately It's car credentials don't matter at this end of the market.
That car above is a merely a bog standard P1 Admire McLaren for making it, but it looks far too busy and the rear wing is ridiculous. Fortunately It's car credentials don't matter at this end of the market.
Julian Thompson said:
Certainly Senna himself was controversial but I think it would have been more fitting if his namesake was more universally accepted from inception. It seems a shame that amongst these giants Ayrton’s car has people drawing pictures of ironing boards to improve the aesthetic and repeated parallels to Homer Simpson. I don’t recall too much laughing at the Enzo....
Interesting point this.Edited by Julian Thompson on Saturday 6th January 13:03
As you say, at the time Ayrton was a pretty controversial character.
Many people objected to his aggressive tactics and sense of divine purpose.
In short he had many fans and many detractors.
He was loved and loathed.
But he was fast.
Bit like this car really.
It could just be the most fitting name.
I can’t wait to learn some more details and importantly how it drives.
I don’t feel comfortable writing off a car on it’s looks alone - especially when the team developing it have a pretty impressive track record for making sensational drivers cars.
Edited by Maldini35 on Saturday 6th January 19:04
Maldini35 said:
Well that’s the thing about subjective opinion - there is no absolute right or wrong.
I disagree with you, I think that Ferrari is no better looking. The long front overhang and high fin on the rear deck look truly awful...
I begrudgingly accept that you're entitled to your infuriatingly wrong opinion I disagree with you, I think that Ferrari is no better looking. The long front overhang and high fin on the rear deck look truly awful...
fblm said:
I begrudgingly accept that you're entitled to your infuriatingly wrong opinion
For the record, I’m not trying to argue that the Senna is a beautiful car, I just don’t think it’s nearly as bad looking as people are making out.
When I look at the hyper car category at the moment I don’t see much beauty - neither the Project One or Valkyrie are what I would call pretty - but like the Senna, they are built for purpose. In my opinion any car designed for the track/motorsport can forgiven for some over the top design details. I’m thinking of cars like the batmobile CSL, Seirra Cosworth, Impreza P1 etc.
The Senna looks incredibly aggressive and has some really interesting details.
If it drives like a dog McLaren will have some explaining to do but somehow I don’t think it will.
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