RE: McLaren Senna on the road!
Discussion
Maldini35 said:
Julian Thompson said:
Certainly Senna himself was controversial but I think it would have been more fitting if his namesake was more universally accepted from inception. It seems a shame that amongst these giants Ayrton’s car has people drawing pictures of ironing boards to improve the aesthetic and repeated parallels to Homer Simpson. I don’t recall too much laughing at the Enzo....
Interesting point this.Edited by Julian Thompson on Saturday 6th January 13:03
As you say, at the time Ayrton was a pretty controversial character.
Many people objected to his aggressive tactics and sense of divine purpose.
In short he had many fans and many detractors.
He was loved and loathed.
But he was fast.
Bit like this car really.
It could just be the most fitting name.
I can’t wait to learn some more details and importantly how it drives.
I don’t feel comfortable writing off a car on it’s looks alone - especially when the team developing it have a pretty impressive track record for making sensational drivers cars.
Edited by Maldini35 on Saturday 6th January 19:04
I think a safer way to use a legendary name - possibly could be seen as milking it, but it means that you wouldn't have to supercede it some day (as with the Enzo) - would be to have a "special edition" of one of their car models once in a while.
We've had the "Lamborghini Gallardo Balboni", "Pagani Zonda 760 LH", there's the McLaren 570S and 650S which could easily mean "Senna", the 675LT "Long Tail" (a legendary name, albeit not of a human themselves!)...
We've had the "Lamborghini Gallardo Balboni", "Pagani Zonda 760 LH", there's the McLaren 570S and 650S which could easily mean "Senna", the 675LT "Long Tail" (a legendary name, albeit not of a human themselves!)...
big_rob_sydney said:
E65Ross said:
gigglebug said:
big_rob_sydney said:
E65Ross said:
big_rob_sydney said:
The aerodynamics make it sensational to drive...?
On the m25?? Past cameras on a gantry???
What crack have you been smoking.
You always come up with the most bizarre posts. It's a road car.....let's say, for example, it was being driven to a track and had to go down the M25 to get there....On the m25?? Past cameras on a gantry???
What crack have you been smoking.
What you're saying is akin to seeing a Caterham in a supermarket car park and say "that car is pointless"
tboxes hemming it in, and being driven by OAP's.By all means, explain to us how the aerodynamics make it sensational to drive, when its stuck mindlessly droning past cameras at 70mph on the m25.
The writer is getting wet about its performance, and the context is precisely what has been discussed IN THE ARTICLE. I am laughing at the writers reaction to what has been presented in front of our very eyes, as opposed to what it "might" be like if ones imagination were applied.
But then, asking people to judge what is right in front of them may be too difficult.
The writer was merely highlighting the fact that the change of colour has altered his perception of the cars looks and nothing more than that. This is because for him even if all of the aero, which let's face it McLaren themselves, have attributed to making the Senna their most "brutal" car ever they haven't exactly gained the universal praise from the public due to their aesthetics. The fact that they are now less prominent, when compared to the orange launch car, has had a positive effect in the authors view.
What he wasn't doing, and what you chose to mock him for completely out of context because your mental aptitude wasn't sufficient enough to keep up, was "getting wet" (how childish are you?) from imagining the cars performance in relation to the scenario that the photo placed the car within. How ignorant would you have to be to extrapolate from the article that the author was trying to provided an informed opinion on it's aerodynamics ability to effect it's on road performance?
Asking people to judge what is right in front of them isn't hard Rob is it? Well not unless the person asked is you it would appear.
Edited by gigglebug on Saturday 6th January 21:09
Since Senna the driver was best/only known for his on-track antics, shouldn't a car using his name this way be track only? like the FXX Programme...?
Adding his name to a compromised road car seems a really naff idea to me.
All this talk of brutal aero is all very dull... It's brutal aero as administered to a 720. A car not blessed with good looks to start with.
Blank sheet of paper, we KNOW McLaren could do better...because they have already. Hyper cars...road/track weapons..nowhere does it say that in ordert to get best aero, you have to be brutal and ugly.
Unleashing photos of a the Senna in full silouette spec and suggesting it looks better is a full on backwards step.
"You see it's gorgeous! when you can't see any distinct part of it!"
It's a joke of car, thats sold to people who have this kind of cash as disposable. Fair play to McLaren for making and getting people to buy it and make it a 'business case success' and fair play and congrats to those that managed to secure one. They don't need or want justification....I certainly wouldnt care what anyone else thought.
Doesnt stop it being an ugly mess that in years to come will go up in value and continue to be a blot on McLarens design history.
Adding his name to a compromised road car seems a really naff idea to me.
All this talk of brutal aero is all very dull... It's brutal aero as administered to a 720. A car not blessed with good looks to start with.
Blank sheet of paper, we KNOW McLaren could do better...because they have already. Hyper cars...road/track weapons..nowhere does it say that in ordert to get best aero, you have to be brutal and ugly.
Unleashing photos of a the Senna in full silouette spec and suggesting it looks better is a full on backwards step.
"You see it's gorgeous! when you can't see any distinct part of it!"
It's a joke of car, thats sold to people who have this kind of cash as disposable. Fair play to McLaren for making and getting people to buy it and make it a 'business case success' and fair play and congrats to those that managed to secure one. They don't need or want justification....I certainly wouldnt care what anyone else thought.
Doesnt stop it being an ugly mess that in years to come will go up in value and continue to be a blot on McLarens design history.
Quickmoose said:
Since Senna the driver was best/only known for his on-track antics, shouldn't a car using his name this way be track only? like the FXX Programme...?
Adding his name to a compromised road car seems a really naff idea to me.
All this talk of brutal aero is all very dull... It's brutal aero as administered to a 720. A car not blessed with good looks to start with.
Blank sheet of paper, we KNOW McLaren could do better...because they have already. Hyper cars...road/track weapons..nowhere does it say that in ordert to get best aero, you have to be brutal and ugly.
Unleashing photos of a the Senna in full silouette spec and suggesting it looks better is a full on backwards step.
"You see it's gorgeous! when you can't see any distinct part of it!"
It's a joke of car, thats sold to people who have this kind of cash as disposable. Fair play to McLaren for making and getting people to buy it and make it a 'business case success' and fair play and congrats to those that managed to secure one. They don't need or want justification....I certainly wouldnt care what anyone else thought.
Doesnt stop it being an ugly mess that in years to come will go up in value and continue to be a blot on McLarens design history.
Unleash photos? It was snapped on road during development by a member of the public.Adding his name to a compromised road car seems a really naff idea to me.
All this talk of brutal aero is all very dull... It's brutal aero as administered to a 720. A car not blessed with good looks to start with.
Blank sheet of paper, we KNOW McLaren could do better...because they have already. Hyper cars...road/track weapons..nowhere does it say that in ordert to get best aero, you have to be brutal and ugly.
Unleashing photos of a the Senna in full silouette spec and suggesting it looks better is a full on backwards step.
"You see it's gorgeous! when you can't see any distinct part of it!"
It's a joke of car, thats sold to people who have this kind of cash as disposable. Fair play to McLaren for making and getting people to buy it and make it a 'business case success' and fair play and congrats to those that managed to secure one. They don't need or want justification....I certainly wouldnt care what anyone else thought.
Doesnt stop it being an ugly mess that in years to come will go up in value and continue to be a blot on McLarens design history.
Give them a break.
Compromised? Well, maybe McLaren are planning a GTR track only version like the FXX?
They did with the P1 after all.
So why build a road car? Is it just a “naff” idea as you say or do they need to build a certain number of road cars in able to go racing? Imagine that - a real race car, (not a pretend one like the FXX) tested against the best in the world in the white heat of competition. When the flag drops the BS stops etc.
To call it a ‘joke car’ without knowing anything else about it or it’s capability would suggest you’re either not much of a car guy or you have an axe to grind.
I don’t really care if you were fired by McLaren or work for a competitor but your constant barrage of negative, uninformed posts are a little boring.
You don’t like the look of it. Fine. The styling is pretty polarising.
Why not wait and see how the car drives and performs?
As Enzo once said “Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win.”
The joke may be on you.
Edited by Maldini35 on Sunday 7th January 09:32
Edited by Maldini35 on Sunday 7th January 09:37
Maldini35 said:
Unleash photos? It was snapped on road during development by a member of the public.
Give them a break.
To call it a ‘joke car’ without knowing anything else about it or it’s capability would suggest you’re either not much of a car guy or you have an axe to grind.
I don’t really care if you were fired by McLaren or work for a competitor but your constant barrage of negative, uninformed and speculative posts are a little boring.
You don’t like the look of it. Fine. The styling is pretty polarising.
Why not wait and see how the car drives and performs?
The joke may be on you.
'Unleash' is just an adjective, calm down.Give them a break.
To call it a ‘joke car’ without knowing anything else about it or it’s capability would suggest you’re either not much of a car guy or you have an axe to grind.
I don’t really care if you were fired by McLaren or work for a competitor but your constant barrage of negative, uninformed and speculative posts are a little boring.
You don’t like the look of it. Fine. The styling is pretty polarising.
Why not wait and see how the car drives and performs?
The joke may be on you.
My idea of a 'joke' is purely down to me, I'm not looking for agreement from anyone. A £750,000 hyper road car for me needs to tick every box. And this does not. The fact it misses the 'looks' box by such a massive margin AND then gets called Senna, to me makes it laughable.... Combine that with McLaren having to describe their creation as 'brutal'... Says it all (against the backdrop of having sold them all mind you)
I'm not in the least interested in its capabilities. All McLarens have proved their amongst the very best, no need to doubt this one. It won't perform in such a way as to make the competition run and hide or go back to the drawing board.
No axe to grind, don't work in the car industry, I'm just massively disappointed.
Over and above that, whether you find my posts interesting or not I really couldn't care less about, you may wish to not read anything I have to say, but given the majority view of the car... It's an opinion at least as worthy as yours.
You don't find me rounding on individual posters letting them know they're relentless positivity and defence of a car they know nothing about is 'boring'....
Let's not forget all our armchair opinions will only ever be thus. None of us will get to drive it. Very few of us will see it in the flesh much less sit in it. So we're already reduced to photos and stats.....and on that basis I'll wager this won't make it on many bedroom walls....
This is not a race car. It's a heavily compromised ridiculous looking road car and/or a track car you could drive home in. We've yet to see how many get treated as a proper track weapon....
Edited by Quickmoose on Sunday 7th January 09:44
Quickmoose said:
'Unleash' is just an adjective, calm down.
My idea of a 'joke' is purely down to me, I'm not looking for agreement from anyone. A £750,000 hyper road car for me needs to tick every box. And this does not. The fact it misses the 'looks' box by such a massive margin AND then gets called Senna, to me makes it laughable.... Combine that with McLaren having to describe their creation as 'brutal'... Says it all (against the backdrop of having sold them all mind you)
I'm not in the least interested in its capabilities. All McLarens have proved their amongst the very best, no need to doubt this one. It won't perform in such a way as to make the competition run and hide or go back to the drawing board.
No axe to grind, don't work in the car industry, I'm just massively disappointed.
Over and above that, whether you find my posts interesting or not I really couldn't care less about, you may wish to not read anything I have to say, but given the majority view of the car... It's an opinion at least as worthy as yours.
You don't find me rounding on individual posters letting them know they're relentless positivity and defence of a car they know nothing about is 'boring'....
Let's not forget all our armchair opinions will only ever be thus. None of us will get to drive it. Very few of us will see it in the flesh much less sit in it. So we're already reduced to photos and stats.....and on that basis I'll wager this won't make it on many bedroom walls....
This is not a race car. It's a heavily compromised ridiculous looking road car and/or a track car you could drive home in. We've yet to see how many get treated as a proper track weapon....
Yes ‘unleash’ is an adjective but one which you selected to imply that these images were released by McLaren - which is wrong. But I suspect you knew what you were writing and it fitted the agenda of your post. I just picked you up on it.My idea of a 'joke' is purely down to me, I'm not looking for agreement from anyone. A £750,000 hyper road car for me needs to tick every box. And this does not. The fact it misses the 'looks' box by such a massive margin AND then gets called Senna, to me makes it laughable.... Combine that with McLaren having to describe their creation as 'brutal'... Says it all (against the backdrop of having sold them all mind you)
I'm not in the least interested in its capabilities. All McLarens have proved their amongst the very best, no need to doubt this one. It won't perform in such a way as to make the competition run and hide or go back to the drawing board.
No axe to grind, don't work in the car industry, I'm just massively disappointed.
Over and above that, whether you find my posts interesting or not I really couldn't care less about, you may wish to not read anything I have to say, but given the majority view of the car... It's an opinion at least as worthy as yours.
You don't find me rounding on individual posters letting them know they're relentless positivity and defence of a car they know nothing about is 'boring'....
Let's not forget all our armchair opinions will only ever be thus. None of us will get to drive it. Very few of us will see it in the flesh much less sit in it. So we're already reduced to photos and stats.....and on that basis I'll wager this won't make it on many bedroom walls....
This is not a race car. It's a heavily compromised ridiculous looking road car and/or a track car you could drive home in. We've yet to see how many get treated as a proper track weapon....
Edited by Quickmoose on Sunday 7th January 09:44
We obviously disagree about certain cars which of course isn’t a problem.
Perhaps i’m just more a ‘glass half full’ guy?
My point is that you don’t know much about the car but make a lot of assumptions and assert them as gospel truth.
E.g. it’s no race car, nobody will drive it on track, it won’t make it to bedroom walls, it won’t worry McLarens competitors etc.
There’s even been quite a few positive posts on this very thread which you seem to have ignored.
In my opinion a £750k hypercar built by McLaren to lap faster than anything they’ve made before and named after Ayrton Senna is not “a joke”.
It’s just a car that you don’t like the look of.
Haters gonna hate...
I personally love heavily compromised road cars developed for motorsport homolgation E.g. BMW CSL ‘batmobile’, Sierra cosworth RS500, Subaru Impreza P1, Ford GT 40, Mercedes CLR etc.
But as has been said many times before, opinions are like ar$eholes, we all have one.
And one last thing - don’t assume everybody here is an ‘armchair’ poster like yourself. You might never see one, sit in one or drive one but others are a little more fortunate...
Edited by Maldini35 on Sunday 7th January 13:06
Edited by Maldini35 on Sunday 7th January 13:10
Maldini35 said:
Yes ‘unleash’ is an adjective but one which you selected to imply that these images were released by McLaren - which is wrong. But I suspect you knew what you were writing and it fitted the agenda of your post. I just picked you up on it.
Wow...I'm afraid you're just plain old fashioned wrong there.
No implication, no agenda, nothing to pick up...
I'm a glass half full chap about things that deserve it.....
Edited by Quickmoose on Sunday 7th January 13:50
Quickmoose said:
Wow...
I'm afraid you're just plain old fashioned wrong there.
No implication, no agenda, nothing to pick up...
I'm a glass half full chap about things that deserve it.....
I see you chose to ignore the rest of my post.I'm afraid you're just plain old fashioned wrong there.
No implication, no agenda, nothing to pick up...
I'm a glass half full chap about things that deserve it.....
Edited by Quickmoose on Sunday 7th January 13:50
Probably for the best.
Happy new year!
Quickmoose said:
Wow...
I'm afraid you're just plain old fashioned wrong there.
No implication, no agenda, nothing to pick up...
I'm a glass half full chap about things that deserve it.....
There are few facts upon which to base much else. Over and above the image of it....and it's pretentious name.
And the fact that it has been released as a road legal/track-day car, so it's definitley not a track only 'race car' which isn't road legal.
My opinion only really covers those aspects.
Other than that, as I've said, I don't have any experience positve or negative about it's driving experience... I'm sure it'll be other wordly.....
More than that though I' awaiting the day a car can't get to 60 any quicker or a road legal car can't lap a given circuit quicker.... a day that must be coming soon no?
to you too.
I'm glad at least that opinion based debate can remain friendly...doesn't have to be labelled as bickering or anything so negative.... glass half full chaps!
I'm afraid you're just plain old fashioned wrong there.
No implication, no agenda, nothing to pick up...
I'm a glass half full chap about things that deserve it.....
Maldini35 said:
I see you chose to ignore the rest of my post.
Probably for the best.
Happy new year!
Not ignoring them, so much as respecting your opinion.Probably for the best.
Happy new year!
There are few facts upon which to base much else. Over and above the image of it....and it's pretentious name.
And the fact that it has been released as a road legal/track-day car, so it's definitley not a track only 'race car' which isn't road legal.
My opinion only really covers those aspects.
Other than that, as I've said, I don't have any experience positve or negative about it's driving experience... I'm sure it'll be other wordly.....
More than that though I' awaiting the day a car can't get to 60 any quicker or a road legal car can't lap a given circuit quicker.... a day that must be coming soon no?
to you too.I'm glad at least that opinion based debate can remain friendly...doesn't have to be labelled as bickering or anything so negative.... glass half full chaps!
Edited by Quickmoose on Sunday 7th January 14:23
Maldini35 said:
In my opinion a £750k hypercar built by McLaren to lap faster than anything they’ve made before and named after Ayrton Senna is not “a joke”.
It’s just a car that you don’t like the look of.
Haters gonna hate...
a) I cant see this being faster than a P1.It’s just a car that you don’t like the look of.
Haters gonna hate...
b) It is GOPPING!
As for the "unleash" It's clear this car is in testing, but similarly it's not in dispersal / disguised like so many XP cars McLaren have manufactured (and I often see them around Woking) So the undisguised car is an element of Social media marketing. Especially in a colour that works (hides
) the shape better
Slight tangent. At the official launch at MTC a while back there were allegedly a few comments from those there about trying to sell their deposits, plan to flip it. Or back out completely!
Rich_W said:
a) I cant see this being faster than a P1.
b) It is GOPPING!
As for the "unleash" It's clear this car is in testing, but similarly it's not in dispersal / disguised like so many XP cars McLaren have manufactured (and I often see them around Woking) So the undisguised car is an element of Social media marketing. Especially in a colour that works (hides ) the shape better
Slight tangent. At the official launch at MTC a while back there were allegedly a few comments from those there about trying to sell their deposits, plan to flip it. Or back out completely!
Faster than a P1? b) It is GOPPING!
As for the "unleash" It's clear this car is in testing, but similarly it's not in dispersal / disguised like so many XP cars McLaren have manufactured (and I often see them around Woking) So the undisguised car is an element of Social media marketing. Especially in a colour that works (hides
) the shape betterSlight tangent. At the official launch at MTC a while back there were allegedly a few comments from those there about trying to sell their deposits, plan to flip it. Or back out completely!
Well, it’s being claimed. You’d hope they would be pretty confident before saying that publicly.
It’s power to weight ratio is better than a P1 and if the aero is improved it should be faster.
Besides both Autocar and a couple of other mags have lapped a 720S faster than a P1. Progress is rapid!
As regards the M25 testing pics - they already revealed images of the car so why bother disguising it still?
Anyway, all the disguise stuff would interfere with the testing results wouldn’t it? It would add weight - affect the aero (for MPG not downforce) - mess with the cooling etc.
No idea about customers, I guess there will always be flippers looking to make a quick buck but they sold the last car at auction for £2m. That’s 1.2m over list.
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