RE: McLaren Senna on the road!

RE: McLaren Senna on the road!

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Sway

26,337 posts

195 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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fblm said:
WCZ said:
everyone hated the styling just as they did with the la ferrari
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It was the latter part I was disputing. In the flesh it's literally breathtaking.
It's personal opinion, but on the three occasions I've seen a LaF in the flesh it's been side by side with the Pork and Macca - where it simply doesn't compete. The Pork is wonderfully 'finished' with superb details, the Mac is otherworldly. Both have exceptional fit and finish. Contrasted by panel gaps I could fit a thumb into, and orange peel a photocopier salesman would reject his 320d over...

Stunning engine and sound, interesting surfacing, but lacking really quite a lot imo (other than investment value) compared with the rest of the market.

Bonefish Blues

26,877 posts

224 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Sway said:
It's personal opinion, but on the three occasions I've seen a LaF in the flesh it's been side by side with the Pork and Macca - where it simply doesn't compete. The Pork is wonderfully 'finished' with superb details, the Mac is otherworldly. Both have exceptional fit and finish. Contrasted by panel gaps I could fit a thumb into, and orange peel a photocopier salesman would reject his 320d over...

Stunning engine and sound, interesting surfacing, but lacking really quite a lot imo (other than investment value) compared with the rest of the market.
They said that of the F40 vs the 959 and that's done OK for itself smile

Sway

26,337 posts

195 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Bonefish Blues said:
Sway said:
It's personal opinion, but on the three occasions I've seen a LaF in the flesh it's been side by side with the Pork and Macca - where it simply doesn't compete. The Pork is wonderfully 'finished' with superb details, the Mac is otherworldly. Both have exceptional fit and finish. Contrasted by panel gaps I could fit a thumb into, and orange peel a photocopier salesman would reject his 320d over...

Stunning engine and sound, interesting surfacing, but lacking really quite a lot imo (other than investment value) compared with the rest of the market.
They said that of the F40 vs the 959 and that's done OK for itself smile
As I said, it wins on investment potential...

Quickmoose

4,499 posts

124 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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fblm said:
Quickmoose said:
Ferrari Enzo, isn't a bad name I spose...but it was and is, not a good looking car...I feel it's brave, which in itself is a good thing, like Bangle's stuff... makes you think differently, and that should be applauded even if the result doesn't make you want it.
Using the same logic however, a McLaren Ron, would be a bad idea
A McLaren Senna, isn't a bad name in itself.... it's just I don't think it should be attributed to a road car......
A Ferrari Schumacher would be ok too...track only IMO again, not road related.
Ferrari LaFerrari is an atrocious name, but MUCH better looking and head turning in a good way, yes it has a large front overhang, but it's aero isn't as contrived, and the rest of the proportions are far FAR better, no ridiculous wing etc

I agree with previous poster... the P1 (or better yet P1 GTR...or betterer yet the F1) would have worn the Senna badge with more ease.
I agree except the original Zonda nailed the 'cab forward, long low rear' look far more effectively and 4 or 5 years (?) before the Enzo. IMO post GT3, 675LT and P1, McLaren have seriously lost their way with the 'functional' styling. I really hope the 720s and this mess don't hint at any design elements of the BP23...
I actually meant is was brave in terms of the ruler-centric design language not the cab-forward aspect....cos you're right the Zonda does that better....

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Sway said:
It's personal opinion, but on the three occasions I've seen a LaF in the flesh it's been side by side with the Pork and Macca - where it simply doesn't compete. The Pork is wonderfully 'finished' with superb details, the Mac is otherworldly. Both have exceptional fit and finish. Contrasted by panel gaps I could fit a thumb into, and orange peel a photocopier salesman would reject his 320d over...
Of course no right or wrong except to dispute everyone hated the LaF... name aside. I agree on your summary of the other two. P1 for me. As for panel gaps to quote Clarkson regarding the F40; "If I were a little thinner I could get in without opening the door".

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 8th January 2018
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Quickmoose said:
I actually meant is was brave in terms of the ruler-centric design language not the cab-forward aspect....cos you're right the Zonda does that better....
I just don't get why they tried to graft an F1 front wing into the design but having done that it should rise to an equally aggressive F50/FXXK rear but it just meekly curves away to nothing through the rear lights. Really odd and looks even worse in real life... IMO

Burnham

3,668 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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I'm sure its amazing, but even if I had the money I just couldn't.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Burnham said:
I'm sure its amazing, but even if I had the money I just couldn't.
They always said what would be the P1 be like if your removed all those heavy batteries. I guess we will now find out. Plus another 2 years or so of development. Gulp. I believe it still has simple hydraulic steering too??? If so then that is a great thing in 2018.

The two big issues on the styling for me, are these two points




This car obviously needs a huge amount of air into the engine compartment from the first picture, that sidepod opening is huge and makes the style of the car behind it ugly.

You don't see that when driving of course.

Will this car be a game changer? I think so. Also looks cheap compared to the previous gen or hyper cars. This is a super car hyper car smearing of the boundary.



Kawasicki

13,096 posts

236 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Followed one a couple of weeks ago. Looks fast, mean and functional. I am a man of simple tastes, I really like it.

subirg

718 posts

277 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Even black can’t hide the munter that this Senna is. Ugliest car of the century? Quite possibly.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

123 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Gandahar said:
The two big issues on the styling for me, are these two points




This car obviously needs a huge amount of air into the engine compartment from the first picture, that sidepod opening is huge and makes the style of the car behind it ugly.
I actually don't mind the styling now I've had time to take it in. I think the light blue colour has been my favorite so far, I'm not loving the black to be honest and the orange of the launch car made it look awful which is a shame. What I would say is that if you compare the front 3/4 with the rear 3/4 the enlarged, elongated nose and the massive side intakes have had the effect of optically shrinking the wheels so that they don't look in proportion to the car when viewed from the front where as from the rear, because you can't see these features they look perfectly sized. It was a bit the same with the Enzo but it appears to be exaggerated here.

Leroy902

1,540 posts

104 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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It's ghastly.

A crime to have a legends name.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Leroy902 said:
It's ghastly.

A crime to have a legends name.
Actually Senna would have loved this. If it was faster.

Do you think he cared what his race cars looked like?

That's for the viewers.



octane83

87 posts

149 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Gandahar said:
Actually Senna would have loved this. If it was faster.

Do you think he cared what his race cars looked like?

That's for the viewers.
This is not a race car

StephenGalley

67 posts

76 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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I'm starting to quite like it.

HighwayStar

4,298 posts

145 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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octane83 said:
Gandahar said:
Actually Senna would have loved this. If it was faster.

Do you think he cared what his race cars looked like?

That's for the viewers.
This is not a race car
It’s main purpose is that of a track car that be driven to the track. Not a road car first, track capable car second.

The Vambo

6,664 posts

142 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Leroy902 said:
It's ghastly.

A crime to have a legends name.
I find it impossible to take seriously anyone who uses the word ghastly, swooning Agatha Christie characters are the exception obviously.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Gandahar said:
Do you think he cared what his race cars looked like?

That's for the viewers.
Almost certainly not but the mp4/4 has to be one of the most beautiful f1 cars in the aero era...

hurstg01

2,918 posts

244 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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My dislikes are the large rear flank accomodating the air intake, and those ghastly vents / slats under the monstrous rear wing

Other than that its not the worst munter out there

TekoTime

96 posts

97 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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In all-black it looks like something turbotoaster worked on.