RE: McLaren Senna on the road!

[subirg]

E65Ross said:

Interesting you quote the LaFerrari which has nowhere near the downforce, and the SCG003 which is also hideously ugly....which gets closer to the downforce (but still not as much).

And both are much more desirable.

[E65Ross]

subirg said:

E65Ross said:

Interesting you quote the LaFerrari which has nowhere near the downforce, and the SCG003 which is also hideously ugly....which gets closer to the downforce (but still not as much).

And both are much more desirable in my opinion.

Edited that for you

[Maldini35]

Quickmoose said:

Go on then....I'll bite show me the facts about how many wealthy people track their investmemts ...
I'm aware the top flight marques have preferred buyer track programmes with support... for thes uber models...an almost indescribably small amount of people....
while youre at it, let me know what percentage have the skills/talent/licence to extract the final nth degrees required to best the next best uber track/road car...

You missed my Ford GT point too...a major downforce trackable car that does not offend they eyes.

At least some recognise this is an ugly brutal compromised fast car.
I mean anyone can see it'll be mega, McLaren don't do anything else,
They normally have an eye for style though...

F1, F1 GTR, P1, P1 GTR...etc


and (seperate point) its nothing like a Caterham 7 being rubbish on the motorway or a Rolls being bad offroad...
A comparabile argument is about whether the Caterham or Rolls are offensive to anyone with eyes.. ... doing what they do best

Sorry buddy, i’m Not interested in getting into an angry exchange with you.
You don’t like the Senna. Fine. You don’t have to.
Haters gonna hate...

[E65Ross]

Those moaning about the looks..... Please could you send your CV to McLaren and show them how to design a much better looking car which also develops the same level of downforce whilst still adhering to road laws and being a user friendly road car too? I think there should be some money for you to make

All of you mentioned other cars which look better (and for the most part I agree), and yet none of those mentioned develop the same abilities from an aerodynamic point of view of this car, which suggests you're missing the point a bit.

[Leroy902]

E65Ross said:

Those moaning about the looks..... Please could you send your CV to McLaren and show them how to design a much better looking car which also develops the same level of downforce whilst still adhering to road laws and being a user friendly road car too? I think there should be some money for you to make

All of you mentioned other cars which look better (and for the most part I agree), and yet none of those mentioned develop the same abilities from an aerodynamic point of view of this car, which suggests you're missing the point a bit.

I do think they'll end up sacking the design team for this monstrosity. Jobs may just be popping up in the Woking area.

Edited by Leroy902 on Sunday 25th February 19:21

[anonymous-user]

E65Ross said:

Those moaning about the looks..... Please could you send your CV to McLaren and show them how to design a much better looking car which also develops the same level of downforce whilst still adhering to road laws and being a user friendly road car too? I think there should be some money for you to make

All of you mentioned other cars which look better (and for the most part I agree), and yet none of those mentioned develop the same abilities from an aerodynamic point of view of this car, which suggests you're missing the point a bit.

You don't need a doctorate in fluid dynamics to hold an opinion that something looks gopping. As for the Sennas 'aerodynamic abilities', how do you know what they are?

[Maldini35]

Nurburgsingh said:

I think McLaren have hit the nail on the head with maximising the ROI on this.

Clearly they started with a conversation with Lego and said - “you build the model and we’ll make the car the same, that way you can then release the model and it’ll be exactly the same as the car, not like your GT3RS model which looks crap”

Thus ensuring future royalties for years to come and allowing us mere mortals to own one too.

Ps I’ve seen that car in the flesh and yes it’s minging

May I politely advise against a career in stand up.

[E65Ross]

fblm said:

E65Ross said:

Those moaning about the looks..... Please could you send your CV to McLaren and show them how to design a much better looking car which also develops the same level of downforce whilst still adhering to road laws and being a user friendly road car too? I think there should be some money for you to make

All of you mentioned other cars which look better (and for the most part I agree), and yet none of those mentioned develop the same abilities from an aerodynamic point of view of this car, which suggests you're missing the point a bit.

You don't need a doctorate in fluid dynamics to hold an opinion that something looks gopping. As for the Sennas 'aerodynamic abilities', how do you know what they are?

800kgs at 155mph makes it a lot more than the LaFerrari and 14% more than that also ugly SCG003.

[anniesdad]

There's something about the Senna that I reeeeeally like....

the wheels!!

[Rich_W]

E65Ross said:

800kgs at 155mph makes it a lot more than the LaFerrari and 14% more than that also ugly SCG003.

I don't buy that figure

a) Because that exceeds what Le Mans cars were running in the early 00's (655)
b) because when you lump another near ton on top of the car, you need to wk the suspension up to compensate. Even with fancy dampers, the springs still need to support that potential weight. So you'd be running with daft stiff springs the rest of the time!

In other news

The 570s on Top Gear looks great. Better than 720s imo So whoever designed that, should have done the Senna

[E65Ross]

Ok, so you ask me what I base my assumptions on, and I give you stats claimed by the manufacturer, which could easily be tested. And you disregard it simply because you don't think it is feasible. Interesting you didn't say you disregard the scg003 downforce figure, too.

Fair enough.

[Quickmoose]

Maldini35 said:

Sorry buddy, i’m Not interested in getting into an angry exchange with you.
You don’t like the Senna. Fine. You don’t have to.
Haters gonna hate...

I'm not a hater.
I'm not sure why you thought the result would be an angry exchange?
It can only explain lack of facts...

As for people senidng in CVs to McLaren? really?
The endless search for grip and all this downforce on a road car is proper stand up material.
If you want to track a car with real downforce you go single seater.
You can't got that fast enough legally off track to warrant all these special kilos
And has been pointed out very VERY few track a million pound car.

This is why lesser downforcy cars that do ok on track (and JUST as fast in the hands of anyone not a pro) and are street legal are admired more if they have a designer involved and not just an aero nerd.

It's an excercise in one up manship and engineering prowess which garners admiaration from everyone interested in such stuff...including me...it wins HUGE in Top Trumps....
Won't make many bedroom walls I'd wager...
And there's no real excuse for that IMO.

Honest question, does it have more downforce than a 956?
and
Has McLaren set any lap times in it yet?

[Quickmoose]

Are people actually suggesting a road legal car with the same stats as this thing can't look attractive?

[anonymous-user]

E65Ross said:

800kgs at 155mph makes it a lot more than the LaFerrari...

and about the same as an fxxk evo... I'm sorry I just don't buy the good aero has to be ugly excuse. Time will tell.

[HighwayStar]

fblm said:

E65Ross said:

800kgs at 155mph makes it a lot more than the LaFerrari...

and about the same as an fxxk evo... I'm sorry I just don't buy the good aero has to be ugly excuse. Time will tell.

It’s all academic... you do have a point. The Fxxk Evo has the looks and the numbers though not a road legal car, it’s probably at least twice the price and the owner can’t take it home but... Mclaren have gone the way they have. Most agree it’s not a good looking car but there are those who can and can’t afford one but buy into what the Senna is about. It’s a marmite car. It’s not a looker but I like it. Clearly it needs to actually deliver to be relevant otherwise it is truly pointless.

Edited by HighwayStar on Monday 26th February 09:55

[CaptainRAVE]

Horrendous.

[Maldini35]

Quickmoose said:

I'm not a hater.
I'm not sure why you thought the result would be an angry exchange?
It can only explain lack of facts...

As for people senidng in CVs to McLaren? really?
The endless search for grip and all this downforce on a road car is proper stand up material.
If you want to track a car with real downforce you go single seater.
You can't got that fast enough legally off track to warrant all these special kilos
And has been pointed out very VERY few track a million pound car.

This is why lesser downforcy cars that do ok on track (and JUST as fast in the hands of anyone not a pro) and are street legal are admired more if they have a designer involved and not just an aero nerd.

It's an excercise in one up manship and engineering prowess which garners admiaration from everyone interested in such stuff...including me...it wins HUGE in Top Trumps....
Won't make many bedroom walls I'd wager...
And there's no real excuse for that IMO.

Honest question, does it have more downforce than a 956?
and
Has McLaren set any lap times in it yet?

From your post you imply the concept of hyper cars and pushing boundaries is pointless (except for Top Trumps)
Fair enough.
Just wish you’d stop banging on about it.

The LaF pushed the boundaries when it was launched and by your logic is entirely pointless (as a Formula Ford could probably lap Brands Indy faster) yet now you laud it. Hardly a consistent argument.

No idea what downforce a 956 made but it wasn’t road legal (excluding the Dauer conversion) so utterly irrelevant. I believe it also incorporated side skirts etc. to increase the ground effect - which are now illegal on the track and totally impractical for road use.

One more thing - have you stopped to think why McLaren have specifically made 500 road cars?
Why would they need to do that?
Could they have further plans for this car?
Who knows?
It could explain why it looks the way it does though.

The bottom line is you don’t like the way the Senna looks. Ok we get it.

As for making it onto bedroom walls - I’d wager you’re too old to know that.

Edited by Maldini35 on Monday 26th February 12:34

Edited by Maldini35 on Monday 26th February 12:35

[Sandpit Steve]

HighwayStar said:

It’s all academic... you do have a point. The Fxxk Evo has the looks and the numbers though not a road legal car, it’s probably at least twice the price and the owner can’t take it home but... Mclaren have gone the way they have. Most agree it’s not a good looking car but there are those who can and can’t afford one but buy into what the Senna is about. It’s a marmite car. It’s not a looker but I like it. Clearly it needs to actually deliver to be relevant otherwise it is truly pointless.

Edited by HighwayStar on Monday 26th February 09:55

If McLaren have any sense, they’ll organise a couple of days and three cars at a certain German one way toll road, with their test driver, a camera crew, a Mr Harris and a Ms Schmitz, and let everyone take bets on the margin by which they can obliterate the road car lap record.

I’ll have my cash on a 6’30”, and if it does that no-one will care what it looks like.

[J2daG1990]

Well it's defo not got the nice looks all the other Macs have, but then I guess if people want one of the fastest road legal track cars then this would be it, so I can understand how they are all sold.

[HighwayStar]

Sandpit Steve said:

HighwayStar said:

It’s all academic... you do have a point. The Fxxk Evo has the looks and the numbers though not a road legal car, it’s probably at least twice the price and the owner can’t take it home but... Mclaren have gone the way they have. Most agree it’s not a good looking car but there are those who can and can’t afford one but buy into what the Senna is about. It’s a marmite car. It’s not a looker but I like it. Clearly it needs to actually deliver to be relevant otherwise it is truly pointless.

Edited by HighwayStar on Monday 26th February 09:55

If McLaren have any sense, they’ll organise a couple of days and three cars at a certain German one way toll road, with their test driver, a camera crew, a Mr Harris and a Ms Schmitz, and let everyone take bets on the margin by which they can obliterate the road car lap record.

I’ll have my cash on a 6’30”, and if it does that no-one will care what it looks like.

I think if it does prove to be rather special when we finally get some timings from whatever track it is run at, even if it the 'Ring...some will change their perception of the Senna but I suspect most detractors will still question it's looks. Which they are entitled to.
I hope it is WTF fast though and ends all doubts on that side of things.