RE: McLaren Senna on the road!
Discussion
Denver09 said:
McLaren are addressing a tiny handful of buyers with this car who will buy anything just because it has a big price tag. Fairly sure there will be an 'update' to the Senna very soon.
It's already sold out, so even if they are addressing a tiny handful of buyers it's clearly a strategy that works for them.No, it's not the game-changer that the "trinity" were when they came out. But until the electric hypercar becomes a real, useful thing that can connect with car enthusiasts, anyone making a car with a petrol engine is facing an ever-harder time to make it go faster whilst remaining road legal. Frankly it's a miracle that they've managed to achieve a car like this without going hybrid.
And it definitely looks better in black and on the road. Not that anyone who's bought one will care!
Gameface said:
gofasterrosssco said:
Gameface said:
WCZ said:
you know nothing about this car or the development of it...
He owns a P1 though...Unless he's driven both back-to-back, and provide relevant insight..
Tell us about the chassis development of the Senna then. I assume you've replaced Chris Goodwin going by your comments.
You don't need to know a huge amount about car development (I don't know how you've got that from my comments..) in general to know this is an overly simplistic (and as yet, unsubstantiated) analysis. If it is just a 720S with a remap and a bodykit, then I'm sure we'd all be enlightened to know where this info came from.
wst said:
really, really like that exhaust. Blown wings are cool.
I don't think that's a true blown wing - it's sitting too high for the exhaust to have any real impact on airflow 'attached' to the wing.(Think - at >100mph, when the wing is properly effective, there's going to be a >100mph airflow across the top of the exhaust which is going to disrupt and push the exhaust gases backwards, not 'up' in the direction the exhaust is pointing.)
Gameface said:
WCZ said:
SteelySteve said:
The Senna is quite obviously a 720s with a remap and a bodykit, which is great for the manufacturer as there is no need to create a new car, thus avoiding a great deal of expense in conformity to various regulations.
Rip off
you know nothing about this car or the development of it...Rip off
A Ferrari 488 is just a 458 with a modified body and a couple of turbo's
A Chiron is just a Veyron with a more power, a different bodykit and a few tweaks
An R8 is just a Huracan but more German..
These are all developments of previous cars at a fundamental level. The Senna seems (on the limited info we have) to be as close to a 650S or 720S as those above, to a greater or lesser extent. A 650S and a 675LT are probably much more closely related.
I am not saying its worth £2m, but I think you are underestimating the differences. Of course I could be proven wrong when its driven and compared against a 720S...
I like it and I think manufacturers willing to build the car they want to build no matter how outlandish should be celebrated.
I also think only a car like this would be deserving of wearing the Senna name, controversial and uncompromising, yet full of intent and possessing a level of ability only a few people will ever fully understand, just like the great man himself.
Good work McLaren.
I also think only a car like this would be deserving of wearing the Senna name, controversial and uncompromising, yet full of intent and possessing a level of ability only a few people will ever fully understand, just like the great man himself.
Good work McLaren.
Edited by daniel-5zjw7 on Thursday 4th January 13:40
I suspect McLaren have a bit of an agenda with this car and that is a return to LeMans. With the current state of the prototypes or lack thereof in the LM series the organisers are having to do a massive rethink.
The prospect of more GT orientated cars now being seen as the top class would be a perfect opportunity for a pure track version of the Senna to go up against the likes of the Ford GT.
Imagine McLaren pulled off a triumphant return to LeMans and pulled off a repeat of the F1 victory from 2006. I suspect any negatives about how the car looks would be quickly forgotten plus the conversion from road to pure race form would be easy with the car having a clear advantage over others currently in the class
The prospect of more GT orientated cars now being seen as the top class would be a perfect opportunity for a pure track version of the Senna to go up against the likes of the Ford GT.
Imagine McLaren pulled off a triumphant return to LeMans and pulled off a repeat of the F1 victory from 2006. I suspect any negatives about how the car looks would be quickly forgotten plus the conversion from road to pure race form would be easy with the car having a clear advantage over others currently in the class
wst said:
don't think those headlight "eye sockets" are quite so simple. I think they scoop air through a duct (red line) for wheel arch pressure relief or something...
There looks like there's a slit intake or something as well, inside that blue circle, which I guess would feed that second outlet.
Now having compared more closely to the 720S, they do seem to have made some improvements.There looks like there's a slit intake or something as well, inside that blue circle, which I guess would feed that second outlet.
There will be some spill over the top edge of the socket though, creating turbulence.
Perhaps the vortex shed from that edge might be useful for some other purpose though. I'm no aerodynamicist..
Hang on, is it going to be 750K or 2 million? We can't quite make our minds up can we? I thought it was going to be 750K going on the initial reports but has that changed as 2 million as has been mentioned more than once in this thread?
As regards SteelySteve;
Firstly its a very nice car to have, was it the only choice for you or did you consider the competition at the time? There were some pretty amazing cars to choose from when the P1 was launched! Were you limited by factors like meeting manufacturers minimum requirements as some seem to have been?
Secondly would it be such a bad thing for McLaren if the Senna appealed, or indeed was intentionally aimed, to a different audience than those that invested in the P1? Returning custom is always a good thing, and it's a shame you don't like it, but is bringing in new clientele possibly more important to a growing business?
As regards SteelySteve;
Firstly its a very nice car to have, was it the only choice for you or did you consider the competition at the time? There were some pretty amazing cars to choose from when the P1 was launched! Were you limited by factors like meeting manufacturers minimum requirements as some seem to have been?
Secondly would it be such a bad thing for McLaren if the Senna appealed, or indeed was intentionally aimed, to a different audience than those that invested in the P1? Returning custom is always a good thing, and it's a shame you don't like it, but is bringing in new clientele possibly more important to a growing business?
Edited by gigglebug on Thursday 4th January 14:23
gigglebug said:
Hang on, is it going to be 750K or 2 million? We can't quite make our minds up can we? I thought it was going to be 750K going on the initial reports but has that changed as 2 million has been mentioned more than once in this thread?
£750k was the price to buy one if you were on the list. They have sold them all so the list price is now irrelevant. The £2m figure being quoted was the price paid for the launch car at an exclusive McLaren event auction with proceeds going to the Ayton Senna Foundation. So both prices are correct.As for the reference to this being 'just a 720 with a body kit', that one way of looking at it and a perspective that could be applied to most current McLaren cars including the P1 which is after all just a hybrid 12c
I think it looks fabulous in black, I'm really warming to this car and I'm really glad McLaren are not just playing safe.
Streetrod said:
I suspect McLaren have a bit of an agenda with this car and that is a return to LeMans. With the current state of the prototypes or lack thereof in the LM series the organisers are having to do a massive rethink.
The prospect of more GT orientated cars now being seen as the top class would be a perfect opportunity for a pure track version of the Senna to go up against the likes of the Ford GT.
Imagine McLaren pulled off a triumphant return to LeMans and pulled off a repeat of the F1 victory from 2006. I suspect any negatives about how the car looks would be quickly forgotten plus the conversion from road to pure race form would be easy with the car having a clear advantage over others currently in the class
Would be great if this were the case as LMP1 is dying on it's arse. I'd love to see the top class based on current hypercars. The prospect of more GT orientated cars now being seen as the top class would be a perfect opportunity for a pure track version of the Senna to go up against the likes of the Ford GT.
Imagine McLaren pulled off a triumphant return to LeMans and pulled off a repeat of the F1 victory from 2006. I suspect any negatives about how the car looks would be quickly forgotten plus the conversion from road to pure race form would be easy with the car having a clear advantage over others currently in the class
Having been involved in the P14 I can tall you that this is closely related but it's far more than a bodykit with the wick turned up. The interior's all new for a start and that's not a moments work.
Gameface said:
It means he put his money where his mouth is unlike others here. And has ultimate series knowledge and has dealt with McLaren on a one to one basis.
Tell us about the chassis development of the Senna then. I assume you've replaced Chris Goodwin going by your comments.
as he says it's just personal speculation.Tell us about the chassis development of the Senna then. I assume you've replaced Chris Goodwin going by your comments.
it's a $1m usd car and personally doubt mclaren will have just remapped it and stuck a bodykit on for that kind of premium over a 720s.
The Surveyor said:
£750k was the price to buy one if you were on the list. They have sold them all so the list price is now irrelevant. The £2m figure being quoted was the price paid for the launch car at an exclusive McLaren event auction with proceeds going to the Ayton Senna Foundation. So both prices are correct.
Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up. So only one person has paid the quoted 2 million so far and they have rather decently provided a substantial amount to charity which is good. I wasn't aware of the auction to be honest. I can't see anyone else paying that much for one to be honest but you never know!?gigglebug said:
I can't see anyone else paying that much for one to be honest but you never know!?
Im sure they will. A friend of mine had an F1 and an F1GTR and got denied a Senna allocation. He's not going to pay up for one now but if people like him are getting turned away I'm sure there will be people out there who will flip for 100%+ profit!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff