Hyundai i30N - 3 and a half
Discussion
greenarrow said:
I just dropped in on this thread as I found the Hyundai i30 road test verdict very odd.
Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI...................'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
IME the mags rave about cars when they are new and once everything dies down they start slagging them off for this that and the other. By now cars are so good that its almost impossible to buy a bad one so when they talk about ragged handling etc....Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI...................'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 30th January 07:39
greenarrow said:
I just dropped in on this thread as I found the Hyundai i30 road test verdict very odd.
Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI. This is the same Leon which came bottom of the Autocar hot hatch test in the summer, criticised for being ragged under power and generally inferior to the Golf GTI, which is now ranked below the Leon! Perhaps because sister mag What Car voted the Leon their best family hatch, a revision was considered politic.
...the Autocar road test of the i30N is certainly thorough, but a 3.5 star rating seems a little stingey when you consider that previously, the Focus ST was given four stars (a car which most mags criticise as being ragged when driven hard) and the i30N was given such gushing praise by Autocar in early drives.....
...'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
List prices don't matter too much when nearly everyone takes their car on a PCP deal. Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI. This is the same Leon which came bottom of the Autocar hot hatch test in the summer, criticised for being ragged under power and generally inferior to the Golf GTI, which is now ranked below the Leon! Perhaps because sister mag What Car voted the Leon their best family hatch, a revision was considered politic.
...the Autocar road test of the i30N is certainly thorough, but a 3.5 star rating seems a little stingey when you consider that previously, the Focus ST was given four stars (a car which most mags criticise as being ragged when driven hard) and the i30N was given such gushing praise by Autocar in early drives.....
...'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 30th January 07:39
The £35k Golf will cost thousands of pounds less than the I30N on PCP. £350-430 per month gives a lot of options for leasing or having a PCP deal. It's really expensive for a car of this price and cars with a far higher value cost less.
It's a nice looking car, but finance costs make it hard to justify. Even as a cash purchase I would be worried about depreciation. They might make a good used buy in a year or two.
That's certainly their biggest problem. It looks good value on list price to me but if it costs more to lease/PCP than a PP Golf it's, not going to sell.
It'll be interesting to see how the UK market evolves as and when interest rates start to rise significantly. Assuming they revert back to around 5% (which I think is roughly the long term average), can the new car market survive its reliance on credit?
It'll be interesting to see how the UK market evolves as and when interest rates start to rise significantly. Assuming they revert back to around 5% (which I think is roughly the long term average), can the new car market survive its reliance on credit?
kambites said:
That's certainly their biggest problem. It looks good value on list price to me but if it costs more to lease/PCP than a PP Golf it's, not going to sell.
It'll be interesting to see how the UK market evolves as and when interest rates start to rise significantly. Assuming they revert back to around 5% (which I think is roughly the long term average), can the new car market survive its reliance on credit?
There is so many people now sucked into the PCP cycle they will be forced to keep buying. Their money won't go as far as now.It'll be interesting to see how the UK market evolves as and when interest rates start to rise significantly. Assuming they revert back to around 5% (which I think is roughly the long term average), can the new car market survive its reliance on credit?
Assuming the car lives up to the reviews I would be tempted to get a 1year old to run about in (instead of a thief magnet S1) but it would have to be cheap and reliable enough because it's not a car I could love. I'm talking <18k cheap. Sorry - I'm a brand, if not badge, snob. It would be abused like an unwanted step-child (a Honda CTR would be a keeper).
Yeah, for me, the PCP/lease prices don't make them a particularly great decision for having one brand new. I think these could be a proper little hidden gem to watch for on the used car markets though. I think i'll keep an eye out over the next few years for what they eventually drop to in price.
D200, you're very quiet over there. I'm not sure this thread went the way you wanted it to now, did it?
D200, you're very quiet over there. I'm not sure this thread went the way you wanted it to now, did it?
Driver101 said:
There is so many people now sucked into the PCP cycle they will be forced to keep buying. Their money won't go as far as now.
Only if you assume they will continue to buy new. You can buy a perfectly decent used car for the deposit on a typical PCP deal. Of course if too many people do that used prices will start to rise due to lack of supply which in turn will bring down PCP prices a bit... it'll be interesting to see where it all settles. Frimley111R said:
Don't forget that many PCP deals are good due to massive discounts on the list prices from manufacturers. I've seen Mercs up to 30% off but I am sure there are even bigger discounts. Clearly Hyundai are not thinking about doing the same on a new car which makes sense.
https://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/car-quote/They are already showing £4566 off a brand new model taking the car down to £23,429.
That makes the PCP prices quoted here even more crazy.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 15th February 14:16
Driver101 said:
Frimley111R said:
Don't forget that many PCP deals are good due to massive discounts on the list prices from manufacturers. I've seen Mercs up to 30% off but I am sure there are even bigger discounts. Clearly Hyundai are not thinking about doing the same on a new car which makes sense.
https://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/car-quote/They are already showing £4566 off a brand new model taking the car down to £23,429.
That makes the PCP prices quoted here even more crazy.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 15th February 14:16
speedking31 said:
coast2coast can only do Hyundai on finance, so that figure is not useful.
Doesn't seem the case. I just got quoted on there for a new car to purchase and it comes in at £23915 for a performance packed car. Seems a very decent price.Edit: It does say in the small print that they supply Hyundais on finance.
Edited by Ahbefive on Thursday 15th February 16:12
speedking31 said:
coast2coast can only do Hyundai on finance, so that figure is not useful.
That will be for a finance contribution. You will still be able to settle the finance within 14 days. If the car is discounted to £23,429 and the GFV is £10,500 people shouldn't be getting PCP deals adding to up to over £20,000 of payments before the balloon payment.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 15th February 16:34
Aids0G said:
Picked mine up last Wednesday now 1200 miles in and very impressed with it. Goes really well, very quick (to me) through the gears and pulls well in 6th from down at 40 mph which is useful, averaging 29 mpg which given on some drives when I have been giving it some err stick it shows 8mpg briefly!
Handles really well, N mode too stiff, so set it up in 'custom' with drive-train in maximum and chassis in sport so all the good noises, aggressive re matching and engine response but a little more compliance over the bumps! Normal mode more than complaint enough for every day. Cabin is smart, seats very supportive and good during the day i spent 8 hours in it, info system is good not amazing but does everything I need + has a lap timer, power and torque gauge and G meter for my inner child!
Quite frankly there is far to much talk on here about PCP deals and magazine reviews. Magazines are basically novels designed to please the reader rather than be a factual commentary about the car and I have no interest in PCP deals.Handles really well, N mode too stiff, so set it up in 'custom' with drive-train in maximum and chassis in sport so all the good noises, aggressive re matching and engine response but a little more compliance over the bumps! Normal mode more than complaint enough for every day. Cabin is smart, seats very supportive and good during the day i spent 8 hours in it, info system is good not amazing but does everything I need + has a lap timer, power and torque gauge and G meter for my inner child!
I am however interested in the car and look forward to hearing your thoughts as you get used to it. I drive a 308 GTi, i.e. another hot hatch that is likely to be driven by an enthusiast rather than a brand / fashion snob, and may have to arrange a test drive on one of these so I can compare them!
Driver101 said:
greenarrow said:
I just dropped in on this thread as I found the Hyundai i30 road test verdict very odd.
Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI. This is the same Leon which came bottom of the Autocar hot hatch test in the summer, criticised for being ragged under power and generally inferior to the Golf GTI, which is now ranked below the Leon! Perhaps because sister mag What Car voted the Leon their best family hatch, a revision was considered politic.
...the Autocar road test of the i30N is certainly thorough, but a 3.5 star rating seems a little stingey when you consider that previously, the Focus ST was given four stars (a car which most mags criticise as being ragged when driven hard) and the i30N was given such gushing praise by Autocar in early drives.....
...'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
List prices don't matter too much when nearly everyone takes their car on a PCP deal. Unlike the OP, who seems to be another german car driver who has issues with Korean cars, I am fairly neutral in my opinion of Hyundais and Kias. What is more odd than the Hyundais somewhat luke warm rating is that the Seat Leon Cupra 300 was given a four star rating in the road test rivals section, ahead of the Golf GTI. This is the same Leon which came bottom of the Autocar hot hatch test in the summer, criticised for being ragged under power and generally inferior to the Golf GTI, which is now ranked below the Leon! Perhaps because sister mag What Car voted the Leon their best family hatch, a revision was considered politic.
...the Autocar road test of the i30N is certainly thorough, but a 3.5 star rating seems a little stingey when you consider that previously, the Focus ST was given four stars (a car which most mags criticise as being ragged when driven hard) and the i30N was given such gushing praise by Autocar in early drives.....
...'tis a bit of a strange one this. As for the list price, the Hyundai's on the road as tested price was £27,995, same as the list price. Everything apart from metallic paint is standard on the i30N. Compare that with the "On the road" price of a similarly equipped Golf or Leon......I bet the Golf is closer to £35K.
Edited by greenarrow on Tuesday 30th January 07:39
The £35k Golf will cost thousands of pounds less than the I30N on PCP. £350-430 per month gives a lot of options for leasing or having a PCP deal. It's really expensive for a car of this price and cars with a far higher value cost less.
It's a nice looking car, but finance costs make it hard to justify. Even as a cash purchase I would be worried about depreciation. They might make a good used buy in a year or two.
Driver101 said:
https://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/car-quote/
They are already showing £4566 off a brand new model taking the car down to £23,429.
That makes the PCP prices quoted here even more crazy.
With that kind of deal I don't understand why people wouldn't get a bank loan rather than PCP.They are already showing £4566 off a brand new model taking the car down to £23,429.
That makes the PCP prices quoted here even more crazy.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 15th February 14:16
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