Neighbour been round to show gang scoping my car last night

[djc206]

8V085 said:

Right, sorry I made you froth at the mouth. It wasn't my intention.

I'll keep it simple for you, special respect that I'm referring to from my experience and speaking/dealing with people who are regular members of Texan society means that most people know that doing something antisocial might end up in tears and hence most avoid getting into any sort of situations. Trespass (and the type of car theft discussed in this thread starts from trespass and taking advantage of people being unable to defend themselves) is one of those things.

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

[MC Bodge]

djc206 said:

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

More guns. It's the only way

[Evanivitch]

8V085 said:

Evanivitch said:

8V085 said:

Evanivitch said:

So how does this special respect work then? Seems strange this society of special respect could be driving the homicide rate so high through self defense.

Doesn't sound like there's any "special respect", just special consequences to me.

Obviously there's always going to be a group who is either too stupid to understand the consequences or doesn't care hence you'll never be able to achieve absolute balance. Although being able to defend yourself means that the healthy part of the society has a mean to control the situation and make sure that the destructive part doesn't take over and become the norm. That's the nature of the world surrounding us, ask David Attenborough he'll confirm this.

I didn't realise that David Attenborough was a specialist in fairy tales.

So, does this "special respect" exist or was it just some bollucks you can up with?

Right, sorry I made you froth at the mouth. It wasn't my intention.

I'll keep it simple for you, special respect that I'm referring to from my experience and speaking/dealing with people who are regular members of Texan society means that most people know that doing something antisocial might end up in tears and hence most avoid getting into any sort of situations. Trespass (and the type of car theft discussed in this thread starts from trespass and taking advantage of people being unable to defend themselves) is one of those things.

Whose tears? The law abiding citizen or the heavily armed trespassers?

And quite the contrary, I consider a bit of imbecile bashing a bit of good sport in-between errands.

[MC Bodge]

havoc said:

the current car-theft 'epidemic'

A very small, targeted "epidemic", affecting mostly some fast VAG hatches and SUVs.

Car theft is of very little concern to the vast majority, unlike it was in decades past

[8V085]

djc206 said:

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

Do you work for Daily Mail? Looks like you've mastered sensationalism without perspective.

[anonymous-user]

As a gun owner in the UK, I cannot think of anything worse than more guns being allowed into the hands of the population.

As has been pointed out, more guns just leads to an arms race, and consequently many more deaths, as the US finds out on a daily basis.

It confuses me that some US citizens refuse to see that the increase in guns amongst the population leads their horrific gun death statistics.

And their gun death statistics are truly horrific.

But apparently the answer is 'even more guns'.

What could possibly go wrong?

[djc206]

8V085 said:

djc206 said:

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

Do you work for Daily Mail? Looks like you've mastered sensationalism without perspective.

No if I worked for the DM I’d be telling people that there is a unprecedented crime wave, that they aren’t allowed to defend themselves and that they need access to firearms. Fear, fear, fear basically, which seems to be what you’re blabbering on about.

Texas is lovely, in fact it’s my favourite state in the US and I can’t wait to return but it’s not safer than here and guns are not the answer to car theft.

[8V085]

djc206 said:

8V085 said:

djc206 said:

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

Do you work for Daily Mail? Looks like you've mastered sensationalism without perspective.

No if I worked for the DM I’d be telling people that there is a unprecedented crime wave, that they aren’t allowed to defend themselves and that they need access to firearms. Fear, fear, fear basically, which seems to be what you’re blabbering on about.

Texas is lovely, in fact it’s my favourite state in the US and I can’t wait to return but it’s not safer than here and guns are not the answer to car theft.

So how do you explain trying to put me down by saying that Texas has the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US without doing proper due diligence on basics like e.g. number of cars per state, type of car theft, population by state etc? That's the text book definition of sensationalism.

[8V085]

MC Bodge said:

havoc said:

the current car-theft 'epidemic'

A very small, targeted "epidemic", affecting mostly some fast VAG hatches and SUVs.

Car theft is of very little concern to the vast majority, unlike it was in decades past

That's the spirit!

[TheAngryDog]

Yipper said:

Best option is to move down south, away from the car gangs.

Next best option is a steering lock. And lock all the doors inside your house, so they cannot get the keys. And a protective case if keyless.

You don't half post some st. How are you even allowed near a computer?

[anonymous-user]

8V085 said:

djc206 said:

The special respect that gives Texas the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US?

link

Nice try

Do you work for Daily Mail? Looks like you've mastered sensationalism without perspective.

Which part of his post was sensationalist?

As far as I can see he just pointed out that Texas was the second worst state for car theft.

Which it is.

[havoc]

8V085 said:

havoc said:

- To be 4x more likely to die by shooting, and a lot more likely to be injured by gunfire, and in return have significantly lower car-theft;

You do realise that the death by shooting would only apply if you were proactively trying to steal cars? It's not like people die from firearms because other people shoot at them as a kind of sport.

Exactly how WOULD you describe the attitude of the US police forces to black people, then?!?

[TheAngryDog]

JQ said:

Wife is fairly relaxed about the whole thing - she's a keeper

But then

JQ said:

However, my wife has just thoroughly cheered me up - she wasn't keen on the 540i and has this morning sent me a link to a Honda Jazz for sale locally.

Get a divorce

[8V085]

havoc said:

8V085 said:

havoc said:

- To be 4x more likely to die by shooting, and a lot more likely to be injured by gunfire, and in return have significantly lower car-theft;

You do realise that the death by shooting would only apply if you were proactively trying to steal cars? It's not like people die from firearms because other people shoot at them as a kind of sport.

Exactly how WOULD you describe the attitude of the US police forces to black people, then?!?

Now that's a twist to the story I don't think anyone expected to see in this thread. Unless you're a deeply closeted racist who tries to subliminaly suggest that the people of colour = crime. I bet you're a misogynist too.

[djc206]

8V085 said:

So how do you explain trying to put me down by saying that Texas has the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US without doing proper due diligence on basics like e.g. number of cars per state, type of car theft, population by state etc? That's the text book definition of sensationalism.

Because I don’t really care enough to spend hours researching your bullst claims. Texas is no advert for firearms preventing car theft.

In the interests of helping you to accept that you’re wrong though I’ve had another look and in 2016 there were 69,056 reported car thefts in Texas to a population of 27.86m. A rate of 248/100,000 residents. The U.K. had 85,688 thefts in 2016 to a population of 65.64m, a rate of 131/100,000. So about that special respect?

[luckystrike]

8V085 said:

Now that's a twist to the story I don't think anyone expected to see in this thread. Unless you're a deeply closeted racist who tries to subliminaly suggest that the people of colour = crime. I bet you're a misogynist too.

What are you even going on about? How does acknowledging that black men are disproportionately victims of police violence in North America make him a racist? Any other insults you’d care to throw alongside misogynist?

[MKnight702]

Lord Marylebone said:

As a gun owner in the UK, I cannot think of anything worse than more guns being allowed into the hands of the population.

As has been pointed out, more guns just leads to an arms race, and consequently many more deaths, as the US finds out on a daily basis.

As another gun owner I am partially with you. I think that the owner control in the UK is about right, but the constant erosion of what is permitted because "we don't like guns" is something else.

I also think that the US is a bit "special", other countries with more lax gun controls don't have anything like the gun crime rates in the US, this is I believe due to culture but I have no idea how (if) that could be changed. Personally, I would promote "owner" control in the US rather than "gun" control. Nobody likes having their toys taken away by big brother, however, suggesting that responsible you can keep your toys but Crazy Hal down the road should have his taken away is a much easier sell.

Anyway we digress, back to the car thieves.

[8V085]

djc206 said:

8V085 said:

So how do you explain trying to put me down by saying that Texas has the 2nd highest rate of car theft by State in the US without doing proper due diligence on basics like e.g. number of cars per state, type of car theft, population by state etc? That's the text book definition of sensationalism.

Because I don’t really care enough to spend hours researching your bullst claims. Texas is no advert for firearms preventing car theft.

In the interests of helping you to accept that you’re wrong though I’ve had another look and in 2016 there were 69,056 reported car thefts in Texas to a population of 27.86m. A rate of 248/100,000 residents. The U.K. had 85,688 thefts in 2016 to a population of 65.64m, a rate of 131/100,000. So about that special respect?

So you make a bullste claim because you don't want to waste time debunking bullste claims, that makes sense bro.

Just to make sure you understand what your original bullste claim was - oh Texas is 2nd on the list of car theft... Yessssss, because Texas is 2nd on the list of registered cars. And guess what California is 1st in both thefts and cars registered by a huge margin and California, being the little socialist oasis that they are, have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States.

You need to do proper research before making absolute statements supported by statistics pulled from wikipedia (without any support with regards to what's classified as car theft in each jurisdiction), as well as trends over years, as well as how many cars per capita are in each sample.

Before you do that arrange a brainstorming session with your fellow numbnut Ivan and perhaps try and understand what the right to proper self defence could offer you (well maybe not you because you're special) if you were able to use it as a deterrent (look up the word on google).

[8V085]

luckystrike said:

8V085 said:

Now that's a twist to the story I don't think anyone expected to see in this thread. Unless you're a deeply closeted racist who tries to subliminaly suggest that the people of colour = crime. I bet you're a misogynist too.

What are you even going on about? How does acknowledging that black men are disproportionately victims of police violence in North America make him a racist? Any other insults you’d care to throw alongside misogynist?

I can't believe that anyone who read this thread in subsequent order (thread which has no relation or mention of police brutality and race before havoc decided to throw it in) could ask me what am I going on about, instead of asking him why did he decide to use race to show that private gun ownership as a self-defence measure is a bad thing. Unless he (havoc) is a racist or a troll using race as a bait, that is.

[fakenews]

Good luck with the next car OP. Volvo is a good bet - nice cars, have class but none of the problems you've had here.