Neighbour been round to show gang scoping my car last night

[djc206]

8V085 said:

So you make a bullste claim because you don't want to waste time debunking bullste claims, that makes sense bro.

Just to make sure you understand what your original bullste claim was - oh Texas is 2nd on the list of car theft... Yessssss, because Texas is 2nd on the list of registered cars. And guess what California is 1st in both thefts and cars registered by a huge margin and California, being the little socialist oasis that they are, have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States.

You need to do proper research before making absolute statements supported by statistics pulled from wikipedia (without any support with regards to what's classified as car theft in each jurisdiction), as well as trends over years, as well as how many cars per capita are in each sample.

Before you do that arrange a brainstorming session with your fellow numbnut Ivan and perhaps try and understand what the right to proper self defence could offer you (well maybe not you because you're special) if you were able to use it as a deterrent (look up the word on google).

I’ve upset you haven’t I. Mine wasn’t bullst, yours was. I haven’t used Wikipedia btw. Proper self defence doesn’t involve arming all and sundry as has been adequately demonstrated previously.

Theft rate per 100,000 Texas is 11th of the 50 States and has almost twice the rate of theft as the UK. The long term trend in the US mostly mirrors ours I.e long term decline thanks to security measures followed by an upward trend in 2017. Now will you please concede that Texas was a very poor choice and that there is in fact no “special respect” in that State. It was a ludicrous completely baseless claim.

[stargazer30]

Jimmy Recard said:

Yipper said:

Best option is to move down south, away from the car gangs.

Next best option is a steering lock. And lock all the doors inside your house, so they cannot get the keys. And a protective case if keyless.

Yes, no one has ever stolen a car in the south.


A colleague at work has a Fiesta ST and brought in a letter today from the local police warning him that it's a car that's popular as a target of theft and to be vigilant and report if he sees people pausing outside his house or taking an interest in it.

In the case of FezSTs I think its not the same issue. No one is going the threaten your family for the keys, they just get in and drive off due to the issue with the OBD port.

[Torquey]

Wow. I thought this thread started off really interesting. I've never one go so de-railed like this one.

Shame because I'd like to have seen any updates from the OP but anything now will be lost in this drivel.

Surely the thread is a lost cause now and should be locked??

[JQ]

Car has been collected by BCA and I'm off car shopping this weekend. I'll update with my purchase once made.

[8V085]

djc206 said:

I’ve upset you haven’t I. Mine wasn’t bullst, yours was. I haven’t used Wikipedia btw. Proper self defence doesn’t involve arming all and sundry as has been adequately demonstrated previously.

Theft rate per 100,000 Texas is 11th of the 50 States and has almost twice the rate of theft as the UK.

And you still havn't done your homework on what is classified as car theft in Texas and in the UK have you, no surprises there.

djc206 said:

The long term trend in the US mostly mirrors ours I.e long term decline thanks to security measures followed by an upward trend in 2017.

No it doesn't. UK vehicle theft has gone up significantly in the last 4 years while Texas (we're talking about Texas not US, wake up) has had fairly constant number of thefts on a YoY basis in the same period.

djc206 said:

Now will you please concede that Texas was a very poor choice and that there is in fact no “special respect” in that State. It was a ludicrous completely baseless claim.

No it wasn't. I do admire how you decided to blatantly ignore the bit about California though.

[CraigyMc]

djc206 said:

8V085 said:

Yabber

Blather

Either duel, or have a solid hard shag.

Possibly both at the same time.

[vsonix]

hondansx said:

Cars have always been stolen, but now there is more press coverage and FAR more social media coverage. People are being too easily influenced by increased awareness.

I don't think it is just 'increased awareness'. I remember in the late 80s to early 90s there was a massive joyriding problem.
Cars were easy to break into (half a tennis ball over the door lock or bend the door frame) and easy to steal. Then chip-based immobilisers were invented and for a very long time, casual car theft was practically unheard of. Certainly, joyriding ceased to be the major issue. But it seems in recent years, car theft has become 'big' again. As has motorbike-jacking by moped gangs etc etc.

[8V085]

CraigyMc said:

djc206 said:

8V085 said:

Yabber

Blather

Either duel, or have a solid hard shag.

Possibly both at the same time.

Would Cleveland steamer be an option? Obviously I'm a giver.

[The Mad Monk]

Torquey said:

Surely the thread is a lost cause now and should be locked??

The solution to your 'problem' is very simple.

Stop looking and reading.

Dead easy!

[havoc]

8V085 said:

luckystrike said:

8V085 said:

Now that's a twist to the story I don't think anyone expected to see in this thread. Unless you're a deeply closeted racist who tries to subliminaly suggest that the people of colour = crime. I bet you're a misogynist too.

What are you even going on about? How does acknowledging that black men are disproportionately victims of police violence in North America make him a racist? Any other insults you’d care to throw alongside misogynist?

I can't believe that anyone who read this thread in subsequent order (thread which has no relation or mention of police brutality and race before havoc decided to throw it in) could ask me what am I going on about, instead of asking him why did he decide to use race to show that private gun ownership as a self-defence measure is a bad thing. Unless he (havoc) is a racist or a troll using race as a bait, that is.

It was a semi-trolling provocative comment, based on real data*, given you appear to be trolling this thread and trying to turn it into a guns-are-the-answer-to-everything thread.

Luckystrike (and probably most other readers) understood me perfectly...shame you're so hard-of-comprehension!

So...given we've proven that Texas (the home of the gun) has nearly twice the rate of vehicle theft as the UK, will you accept that the rate of gun ownership clearly does not deter car theft?!? And then maybe shut up?!?




* Why don't you go and google the proportion of US 'death by cop' fatalities that are from non-white ethnicities, esp. blacks...it'll make enlightening reading!

[Mo28]

I'd love to see the faces of the thieves when they return on a later day and see a Volvo in place of the Golf R

[JQ]

Mo28 said:

I'd love to see the faces of the thieves when they return on a later day and see a Volvo in place of the Golf R

You never know, they may consider it ideal for ram raiding.

[8V085]

havoc said:

8V085 said:

luckystrike said:

8V085 said:

Now that's a twist to the story I don't think anyone expected to see in this thread. Unless you're a deeply closeted racist who tries to subliminaly suggest that the people of colour = crime. I bet you're a misogynist too.

What are you even going on about? How does acknowledging that black men are disproportionately victims of police violence in North America make him a racist? Any other insults you’d care to throw alongside misogynist?

I can't believe that anyone who read this thread in subsequent order (thread which has no relation or mention of police brutality and race before havoc decided to throw it in) could ask me what am I going on about, instead of asking him why did he decide to use race to show that private gun ownership as a self-defence measure is a bad thing. Unless he (havoc) is a racist or a troll using race as a bait, that is.

It was a semi-trolling provocative comment, based on real data*, given you appear to be trolling this thread and trying to turn it into a guns-are-the-answer-to-everything thread.

Luckystrike (and probably most other readers) understood me perfectly...shame you're so hard-of-comprehension!

I understood what you wanted to say clearly too, obviously. But it was such a random, unrelated thing to throw into a discussion on private firearms being used as deterrent towards criminals it could have only be seen as a) bait and b) trolling attempt. Both of which you confirmed, fair play.

havoc said:

So...given we've proven that Texas (the home of the gun) has nearly twice the rate of vehicle theft as the UK

No you haven't. You lot are yet to identify what the definition of vehicle theft is in both jurisdictions (on which the statistics are based) and then come back and we can discuss. Not only that, since ban on private firearm ownership stops car theft (according to you) why does California have the highest number of them in the whole of US. Or perhaps there are other factors between US and the Europe as a whole that drive this? Or perhaps before you start acting smart get the basics right, start from googling causation doesn't imply correlation.

Also while you dig into this think about why is the car crime and the audacity of car crime on such an increase and what could stop it. And please don't tell us that it's such a low number in a grand scheme of things that it doesn't matter since a) the trend is clearly scary b) it's like saying that because the number of terrorist attacks is so low there's nothing to worry about (I threw a random fact for you, mine at least makes some sense within the discussion).

havoc said:

will you accept that the rate of gun ownership clearly does not deter car theft?!? And then maybe shut up?!?

Perhaps before you start telling me what to do and not to do perhaps you should first try and understand what I meant by saying that having a deterrent could send a message that could prevent some crime. Clearly having loads of CCTV's helps right, RIGHT?

havoc said:

* Why don't you go and google the proportion of US 'death by cop' fatalities that are from non-white ethnicities, esp. blacks...it'll make enlightening reading!

Since we're throwing some unrelated but intriguing topics on the subject of oppression, social injustice and people getting killed by other people, let me ask you to get yourself The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. It'll open your eyes.

[Ved]

Can we lock this once interesting thread now? I bet you were a king on MS chat, 8V085, back in the good ol' days but I think the argument of guns vs logic has ran its course here.

[8V085]

Ved aka Judge Judy said:

Can we lock this once interesting thread now? I bet you were a king on MS chat, 8V085, back in the good ol' days but I think the argument of guns vs logic has ran its course here.

That's somewhat uncalled for... I bet you were a right bully in dem school days.

[Ved]

8V085 said:

Ved aka Judge Judy said:

Can we lock this once interesting thread now? I bet you were a king on MS chat, 8V085, back in the good ol' days but I think the argument of guns vs logic has ran its course here.

That's somewhat uncalled for... I bet you were a right bully in dem school days.

You're right we should lock the thread so this doesn't get away from the subject, my apologies. No bullying no, just burned a few ants with a magnifying glass once.

[JQ]

8V085 said:

Ved aka Judge Judy said:

Can we lock this once interesting thread now? I bet you were a king on MS chat, 8V085, back in the good ol' days but I think the argument of guns vs logic has ran its course here.

That's somewhat uncalled for... I bet you were a right bully in dem school days.

No it's not, fk off and annoy another group of people please. I've asked the mods to lock this thread. The sooner the better hopefully.