RE: Toyota Yaris GRMN: Driven
Discussion
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
Has it been tested by a reputable mag yet? Got a link to the test?997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
These things are obviously open to interpretation, but for me a key requirement of a "hot hatch" is at least four seats. I love that manufacturers make the crazy two-seat versions of family hatches, but for me they are more in competition with dedicated two-seater sports cars than hot hatches. Ahbefive said:
ash73 said:
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
£50k fully specced, that's a proper all the gear and no idea car.In the classifieds there’s a couple ends of the spectrum:
A low mileage Biposto record with no extras for £22k https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
And a low mileage Biposto fully specified for £48k! https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Realistically a sub 2,000mile car I’d be looking to spend £22k
s m said:
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
Has it been tested by a reputable mag yet? Got a link to the test?997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
kambites said:
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
These things are obviously open to interpretation, but for me a key requirement of a "hot hatch" is at least four seats. I love that manufacturers make the crazy two-seat versions of family hatches, but for me they are more in competition with dedicated two-seater sports cars than hot hatches. That puts mine at:
1,045kg
6.7 0-62mph
140mph
180bhp
LSD
Koni FSD Suspension
Brembos
(And a lot cheaper!)
http://www.evo.co.uk/abarth/500/595
Anyway that’s enough hijacking of the thread. Has anyone found a ring time? I can’t find one but I did find a wet lap of the ring in one: https://youtu.be/unCvdS4Vrco
I feel the need to be a pedant here.
They aren't spoken about much so maybe that's why our staff writer shortchanged it here by calling it a limited slip, but a Torsen diff is not just a brand of LSD, but short for "Torque Sensing/Sensitive"
It's an entirely different technology than a Limited Slip Differential, the first widely available one was on the Honda S2000, they essentially work exactly the opposite to an open diff and are much more expensive to manufacture than either. Not a panacea for the diff question but a smart and sophisticated mechanical system that can really pay off if properly executed.
They aren't spoken about much so maybe that's why our staff writer shortchanged it here by calling it a limited slip, but a Torsen diff is not just a brand of LSD, but short for "Torque Sensing/Sensitive"
It's an entirely different technology than a Limited Slip Differential, the first widely available one was on the Honda S2000, they essentially work exactly the opposite to an open diff and are much more expensive to manufacture than either. Not a panacea for the diff question but a smart and sophisticated mechanical system that can really pay off if properly executed.
ecsrobin said:
kambites said:
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
These things are obviously open to interpretation, but for me a key requirement of a "hot hatch" is at least four seats. I love that manufacturers make the crazy two-seat versions of family hatches, but for me they are more in competition with dedicated two-seater sports cars than hot hatches. That puts mine at:
1,045kg
6.7 0-62mph
140mph
180bhp
LSD
Koni FSD Suspension
Brembos
(And a lot cheaper!)
http://www.evo.co.uk/abarth/500/595
Anyway that’s enough hijacking of the thread. Has anyone found a ring time? I can’t find one but I did find a wet lap of the ring in one: https://youtu.be/unCvdS4Vrco
ecsrobin said:
SidewaysSi said:
Hardly a glowing review. Abarths aren't really great cars to be honest.
A lot of short tests don’t give good reviews. However a growing number of PH members are buying them and it’s because they’re childishly fun. Which is what I imagine the Yaris is like. SidewaysSi said:
I am not convinced to be honest. I am sure it is fun but dynamically I would expect the Toyota to wipe the floor with the Fiat.
Hard to say looking at paper. Would be good to see a proper comparison at a circuit as I’d say they’re similar in size and design and with the same purpose. And not forgetting the Abarth is 4years old now and is due a refresh to the new body shape.
humblesabot said:
I feel the need to be a pedant here.
They aren't spoken about much so maybe that's why our staff writer shortchanged it here by calling it a limited slip, but a Torsen diff is not just a brand of LSD, but short for "Torque Sensing/Sensitive"
It's an entirely different technology than a Limited Slip Differential, the first widely available one was on the Honda S2000, they essentially work exactly the opposite to an open diff and are much more expensive to manufacture than either. Not a panacea for the diff question but a smart and sophisticated mechanical system that can really pay off if properly executed.
Are you saying the first widely available Torsen LSD was available on the S2000? Umm...some MK2 NB MX-5s and all FD RX-7s had them from Dec 1991. There is probably some other car that had it prior to the FD. They aren't spoken about much so maybe that's why our staff writer shortchanged it here by calling it a limited slip, but a Torsen diff is not just a brand of LSD, but short for "Torque Sensing/Sensitive"
It's an entirely different technology than a Limited Slip Differential, the first widely available one was on the Honda S2000, they essentially work exactly the opposite to an open diff and are much more expensive to manufacture than either. Not a panacea for the diff question but a smart and sophisticated mechanical system that can really pay off if properly executed.
ecsrobin said:
s m said:
ecsrobin said:
I think the Abarth695 Biposto wins the hottest “mini” hatch.
997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
Has it been tested by a reputable mag yet? Got a link to the test?997kg
5.9sec 0-62
143mph
190bhp (a remap will see 210-220bhp)
LSD
Extreme shox adjustable suspension
Brembos
Optional:
Perspex Windows
Aluminium bonnet
Racing dashboard
Dog ring gearbox
Don’t get me wrong I’d happily own the Yaris and it’s great to see another hot small car with a great spec but Abarth have been making similar cars for a few years now.
I was thinking more of a test with the actual recorded times up to 100 and the in-gear times, plus all the raw data, actual weight, etc etc, the sort of thing that Car&Driver and Autocar ( plus EVO occasionally) do most issues.
I was interested to see if they actually really could break 5.7/5.8 to 60.....and also how it went up to the ton. Quite enjoy reading all the stats although appreciate I'm in a minority
Edited by s m on Saturday 13th January 01:22
I’m not sure why but the magazines never really picked up on it, the most evo did was a short video. Ecain on here had a comp to test drive and Vboxed it and said the numbers matched so I’d assume the 695 figures are accurate but agree would have been good to see a proper review.
Anyway back to the Yaris anyone purchased one on here?
Anyway back to the Yaris anyone purchased one on here?
jon-yprpe said:
ukaskew said:
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.
As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
This is exactly the point. Toyota has built a lightweight small driver-focussed car using top-quality kit (it seems) in a world of bloated dual-clutch, heavy, semi-autonomous, more power, more torque, numb driving experience cars.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
And people om here - a forum for driving enthusiasts- moan and carp and you get all the one-upmanship about 'well I could spend X on a Fiesta ST and blah blah so they should never have made this'.
So what?? It would be a completely different driving experience.....and life would be boring!
If it signals a direction of travel for car makers - or some of them - then we should be celebrating.
At the end of the day you have to compare what you can buy for the money and £26k for a Yaris is ridiculous irrespective of what it has on it.
"Oh it's a very good sardine, sir"
Yes it's an excellent car, yes it MIGHT be worth some money in a few years (although i doubt it given it has no heritage and Toyota is not a premium brand).
It will be a very small percentage of buyers out there in the market for a car like this.
Also it's not one upmanship to compare a car which is nearly just as good (and in some ways probably better) for £7k less. It's simple financial sense.
And personally as an enthusiast and huge fan of hot hatches I would rather, if I was going to spend £27k on a hatchback, either buy a golf R if i needed a suitably capable and fun daily driver, which has more space and is more capable or, start with something a bit cheaper and modify it to my specific needs. If I wanted a super lighr and involving drivers car I'd buy an Integra!
As OEM is never quite as extreme as it could be anyway.
At the end of the day I respect your opinion as a car enthusiast. How about you respect mine.
Whilst there may be a small percentage the fact that all the UK cars has buyers shows there’s a market out there for cars like this.
Not everyone wants a golf R or to modify. Yes you can get better for the money but it’s not always about that, it’s a rare, fun car that is unlikely to be someone’s only car.
Not everyone wants a golf R or to modify. Yes you can get better for the money but it’s not always about that, it’s a rare, fun car that is unlikely to be someone’s only car.
xjay1337 said:
jon-yprpe said:
ukaskew said:
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.
As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
This is exactly the point. Toyota has built a lightweight small driver-focussed car using top-quality kit (it seems) in a world of bloated dual-clutch, heavy, semi-autonomous, more power, more torque, numb driving experience cars.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
And people om here - a forum for driving enthusiasts- moan and carp and you get all the one-upmanship about 'well I could spend X on a Fiesta ST and blah blah so they should never have made this'.
So what?? It would be a completely different driving experience.....and life would be boring!
If it signals a direction of travel for car makers - or some of them - then we should be celebrating.
At the end of the day you have to compare what you can buy for the money and £26k for a Yaris is ridiculous irrespective of what it has on it.
"Oh it's a very good sardine, sir"
Yes it's an excellent car, yes it MIGHT be worth some money in a few years (although i doubt it given it has no heritage and Toyota is not a premium brand).
It will be a very small percentage of buyers out there in the market for a car like this.
Also it's not one upmanship to compare a car which is nearly just as good (and in some ways probably better) for £7k less. It's simple financial sense.
And personally as an enthusiast and huge fan of hot hatches I would rather, if I was going to spend £27k on a hatchback, either buy a golf R if i needed a suitably capable and fun daily driver, which has more space and is more capable or, start with something a bit cheaper and modify it to my specific needs. If I wanted a super lighr and involving drivers car I'd buy an Integra!
As OEM is never quite as extreme as it could be anyway.
At the end of the day I respect your opinion as a car enthusiast. How about you respect mine.
jon-yprpe said:
ukaskew said:
Would be a depressing world if we all thought like that. Great to see a manufacturer sign off on something like this and sell the full allocation. I don't doubt for a second that your £26k will be much nearer £26k if you come to sell this a few years down the line over a tuned Fiesta too.
As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
This is exactly the point. Toyota has built a lightweight small driver-focussed car using top-quality kit (it seems) in a world of bloated dual-clutch, heavy, semi-autonomous, more power, more torque, numb driving experience cars.As is often the case this is a ridiculously PH car which half of PH seem to dislike. There are so few people interested in cars like this now, it's why we're very unlikely to see the likes of the R26R or even Clio 172 Cup levels of effort from mainstream manufacturers now. We talk the talk with wanting light, fun, focused cars built for enthusiasts, but go out and lease a Golf instead.
And people om here - a forum for driving enthusiasts- moan and carp and you get all the one-upmanship about 'well I could spend X on a Fiesta ST and blah blah so they should never have made this'.
So what?? It would be a completely different driving experience.....and life would be boring!
If it signals a direction of travel for car makers - or some of them - then we should be celebrating.
The Fiesta ST mountune in my opinion represents a good car for enthusiasts because said enthusiasts can actually f
king drive one. It’s accessible. Hardly anyone will be driving this car because it’s 26 grand for a Yaris and only 600 are being made. Leins said:
As others have mentioned, it does seem on paper to be quite a similar prospect to the R53 MINI GP. That was £22k new back in 2006
Looking at the CO2 emissions for it it would seem to have a similar issue to the s/c R53s too
Hence why we don't see many mass produced supercharged cars now
ecsrobin said:
A lot of short tests don’t give good reviews. However a growing number of PH members are buying them and it’s because they’re childishly fun. Which is what I imagine the Yaris is like.
Have to agree; the reviews actually put me off. However, I had a test drive, and it wasn't as bad as I was fearing, particularly the hard ride. Eventually bought one - a 595 Competizione - and it was a fantastic little, and smile inducing car.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff