RE: Toyota Yaris GRMN: Driven
Discussion
It does look very cool. I love hot hatches,
But - the cost / performance / size balance is off kilter.
It's not like a Porsche GT car for example where you can view it as an investment, I very much doubt it will have the same level of following as, for example, the VW Golf Clubsport S.
But - the cost / performance / size balance is off kilter.
It's not like a Porsche GT car for example where you can view it as an investment, I very much doubt it will have the same level of following as, for example, the VW Golf Clubsport S.
TheFinners said:
Of all the brilliant cars on sale today, is it odd that one of the ones I want the most is a Toyota Yaris covered in stickers?
I was thinking something similar. What a wonderful thing; it may cost nearly as much as a Golf R, but for me it's an infinitely more desirable car. I couldn't care less if it's "slow"; beyond having enough power to show the chassis' talents, hot hatches have never been about straight-line speed for me. So this is basically a 'tuner' car with some track tyres that's both uncomfortable and a bit loud. Ok I know it has been set up my professionals, but it's not cheap, and it sounds like a parts bin special.
We were doing this to our Civic Type-R's 15 years go. Exhaust, remap, LSD, coil overs, fast road set up.
Not exactly ground breaking for this day and age...or does that actually make it ground breaking?
We were doing this to our Civic Type-R's 15 years go. Exhaust, remap, LSD, coil overs, fast road set up.
Not exactly ground breaking for this day and age...or does that actually make it ground breaking?
So, is it using the same motor as the Lotus Elise 220 (sort of)? Do we know if it is using the same supercharger as well? I would imagine it must be the same and then just modified to suit the Yaris. If it is, the motor isn't exactly stressed, will take track duty just fine and will go forever.
Edited by cib24 on Thursday 11th January 09:36
the price: people asking why so much... did you read the article?
sachs dampers, the same damping company that prodived clio 182 trophys with theirs...
if you have not had the pleasure of driving a trophy you really have missed a treat..
forged alloys... forged alloys?! on a hatch.. again fairly insane, i bought forged alloys for a lotus once and it was not cheap..
and the differential....a TORSEN differential, a proper one, not one of the S*** ones you get in your VAG group cars...
this is serious stuff in a little car, these engineers have done what seemlingly no one seems to be able to do these days and make what they would want as apposed to what the sales team and marketing guys would want in a car...
and hats off to toyota to putting in into production... this is like when renault had their magic juice in full flow.
the price, is obvious to me.. limited run, expensive bits, it can't be done out of nothing... with the new megane at nearly £40k this is the situation we are facing when it comes to performance.
i'd like to see more of this from other brands. I do know one of the guys that's landed one of the 400 and i can't wait to give it a go.
sachs dampers, the same damping company that prodived clio 182 trophys with theirs...
if you have not had the pleasure of driving a trophy you really have missed a treat..
forged alloys... forged alloys?! on a hatch.. again fairly insane, i bought forged alloys for a lotus once and it was not cheap..
and the differential....a TORSEN differential, a proper one, not one of the S*** ones you get in your VAG group cars...
this is serious stuff in a little car, these engineers have done what seemlingly no one seems to be able to do these days and make what they would want as apposed to what the sales team and marketing guys would want in a car...
and hats off to toyota to putting in into production... this is like when renault had their magic juice in full flow.
the price, is obvious to me.. limited run, expensive bits, it can't be done out of nothing... with the new megane at nearly £40k this is the situation we are facing when it comes to performance.
i'd like to see more of this from other brands. I do know one of the guys that's landed one of the 400 and i can't wait to give it a go.
Edited by Slb89 on Thursday 11th January 09:56
cib24 said:
So, is it using the same motor as the Lotus Elise 220 (sort of)? Do we know if it is using the same supercharger as well? I would imagine it must be the same and then just modified to suit the Yaris. If it is, the motor isn't exactly stressed, will take track duty just fine and will go forever.
It seems to be the same basic engine (2ZR-FE) and the same supercharger manufacturer (Magnuson) as the S3 Elise uses. I don't know if it's actually the same 'charger unit. I'm pretty sure the supercharger installation in the Elise was developed by Lotus, but I suppose it's quite possible that Toyota nicked Lotus's design if this really is a "skunks work" type project. Edited by kambites on Thursday 11th January 09:50
lot of people taking criticising this, in a whinging manner too.
too many hatches today feel numb and heavy. If I were to be cynical myself I might accuse them of being parts bins specials tuned mostly for Ring times. last time I heard of Sachs dampers on a manufacturers car it was on the v.well regarded Clio Trophy where it provided stunning control.
A bit like the Alpine, this car seems to have enthusiasts put some real effort into it, which I applaud. haven't driven either of course, so I know nothing. However, if we are to celebrate some aspects of modern car production then Alpine and Toyota should be high on the list. I've not driven anything at 1.5 tonnes that doesn't feel heavy, even if the result is impressive, it's still too heavy for a hot hatch/sports car.
too many hatches today feel numb and heavy. If I were to be cynical myself I might accuse them of being parts bins specials tuned mostly for Ring times. last time I heard of Sachs dampers on a manufacturers car it was on the v.well regarded Clio Trophy where it provided stunning control.
A bit like the Alpine, this car seems to have enthusiasts put some real effort into it, which I applaud. haven't driven either of course, so I know nothing. However, if we are to celebrate some aspects of modern car production then Alpine and Toyota should be high on the list. I've not driven anything at 1.5 tonnes that doesn't feel heavy, even if the result is impressive, it's still too heavy for a hot hatch/sports car.
Main downside is the cost and lack of them, but those go hand in hand. This is the leader for a more available, and cheaper, set of GR performance cars from Toyota, so both those issues would be resolved. This assumes more sales means they could still fit the trick parts,or perhaps those will be dumbed down.
I like the small 17 inch wheels with "narrow" 205's on them, sums up the thoughts behind it. Manual gearbox, proper differential, not having a turbo engine, chuckable and with good brakes. And it will be reliable.....
Would be good base to start as a project over time for track work
Better tyres
Change big fat heavy silencer
Fettle engine
Lower / new lighter front seats?
Remove rear seats
etc
The one big thing though, and it would still be for a mass produced GR version, is that the Fiesta ST gives such great bang per buck, it is no wonder you see so many.
Finally, I like the look of it and the stickers, see one of the 100 on the road or at the supermarket and a PH person will know what it is, without it being say as much in your face as a Civic R. You will have seen 1 of the only 100 sexy Yaris in the UK. I'll be making the stickers stickier by fapping over the first one I see, though I do drive the 1.4 diesel Mk 2 version, cough.
I like the small 17 inch wheels with "narrow" 205's on them, sums up the thoughts behind it. Manual gearbox, proper differential, not having a turbo engine, chuckable and with good brakes. And it will be reliable.....
Would be good base to start as a project over time for track work
Better tyres
Change big fat heavy silencer
Fettle engine
Lower / new lighter front seats?
Remove rear seats
etc
The one big thing though, and it would still be for a mass produced GR version, is that the Fiesta ST gives such great bang per buck, it is no wonder you see so many.
Finally, I like the look of it and the stickers, see one of the 100 on the road or at the supermarket and a PH person will know what it is, without it being say as much in your face as a Civic R. You will have seen 1 of the only 100 sexy Yaris in the UK. I'll be making the stickers stickier by fapping over the first one I see, though I do drive the 1.4 diesel Mk 2 version, cough.
tomsugden said:
I'm surprised it's not quicker with 212bhp and 1135kg? My old Audi S1 had 20 more bhp and a whole lot more weight than this, and still did the 0-60 sprint in about 5.5.
0-60 of an awd car hides their real world performance compared to FWD opposition. FK2 Civic Type-R will run rings around a Focus RS yet is 1 second slower to 60mph.CABC said:
lot of people taking criticising this, in a whinging manner too.
too many hatches today feel numb and heavy. If I were to be cynical myself I might accuse them of being parts bins specials tuned mostly for Ring times. last time I heard of Sachs dampers on a manufacturers car it was on the v.well regarded Clio Trophy where it provided stunning control.
A bit like the Alpine, this car seems to have enthusiasts put some real effort into it, which I applaud. haven't driven either of course, so I know nothing. However, if we are to celebrate some aspects of modern car production then Alpine and Toyota should be high on the list. I've not driven anything at 1.5 tonnes that doesn't feel heavy, even if the result is impressive, it's still too heavy for a hot hatch/sports car.
My 6-cylinder BMW hatch has Sachs dampers as standard too many hatches today feel numb and heavy. If I were to be cynical myself I might accuse them of being parts bins specials tuned mostly for Ring times. last time I heard of Sachs dampers on a manufacturers car it was on the v.well regarded Clio Trophy where it provided stunning control.
A bit like the Alpine, this car seems to have enthusiasts put some real effort into it, which I applaud. haven't driven either of course, so I know nothing. However, if we are to celebrate some aspects of modern car production then Alpine and Toyota should be high on the list. I've not driven anything at 1.5 tonnes that doesn't feel heavy, even if the result is impressive, it's still too heavy for a hot hatch/sports car.
Albeit not remote reservoir ones like on the Trophy but Sachs make dampers for quite a few car OEM fitments
ambuletz said:
I don't get what makes it expensive, the limited run and it being supercharged? fair enough. It's good to see though, not many new small cars are supercharged. mostly turbos now.
Hopefully this paves the way for a cheaper one that's 200hp.
According to Toyota they've had to run a separate production line for it, with extra shell welding, a completely different procedure for fitting the engine etc.Hopefully this paves the way for a cheaper one that's 200hp.
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/yaris-grmn-made
Obviously the parts used are pretty exotic as well, hence the expense.
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