RE: Toyota Yaris GRMN: Driven

[spodrod]

I think this is brilliant.

No point in making anymore though it just wouldnt sell - its not German, its not horrendously over-wheeled and it doesnt have the correct 'aspirational' image that the legions of tedious M-Sport/S-Line leasers demand. Its not going to present the image they crave on their heavily filtered, carefully staged Instagram feed.

Sad state of affairs really.

[RumbleOfThunder]

underphil said:

"There is no lag to speak of" When was the last time you drive a car with a relatively powerful non-turbo engine??!

When is the last time you drove a modern hot hatch with a properly sized and calibrated turbo? To say they "lag" is hyperbole. Oh but you must be such a super duper petrol head that you can only be satisfied with the response of a Ferrari V12.

[Andy S15]

Brilliant little thing, a proper enthusiasts car. And to be fair, in today's market, they've probably made just enough to cover those who would genuinely buy such a thing. I would far, far rather have one of these if I had the money than any of the other hot hatches on the market. Shock horror, seems to be that putting an actual genuine LSD in a hot hatch gives good dynamic results.

Doesn't the Pug 208 GTi do quite well handling wise with a torsen also?

[CABC]

RumbleOfThunder said:

underphil said:

"There is no lag to speak of" When was the last time you drive a car with a relatively powerful non-turbo engine??!

When is the last time you drove a modern hot hatch with a properly sized and calibrated turbo? To say they "lag" is hyperbole. Oh but you must be such a super duper petrol head that you can only be satisfied with the response of a Ferrari V12.

genuine question: what cars do think have a responsive turbo?
I'll then seek a drive.

it depends on the car, but I'm broadly interested in 3 rev ranges. from 2k, 3.5k and 5k to cover various types of driving.

[WCZ]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Nah still not 8k's worth IMO. Diff 2k? Blower 1.5k? Oh st I forgot the F1 spec Sachs dampers made from unobtainium. The cost is due to the limited build run, not the sum of its parts.

different breaks too: bespoke four pot calipers with 275mm discs, as well as seats, exhaust, and different anti roll bars, strut brace and a ' stronger front subframe and four bracing links'. different steering wheel and rear spoiler too.

just saying it's not that bad value for money and you do get a lot of stuff for the premium.

if you want to see a properly 'joke' special edition then check out the £7,000 premium of the 911 T for removal of rear seats, sat nav and added thinner glass

[underphil]

RumbleOfThunder said:

When is the last time you drove a modern hot hatch with a properly sized and calibrated turbo? To say they "lag" is hyperbole. Oh but you must be such a super duper petrol head that you can only be satisfied with the response of a Ferrari V12.

I drove an M135i recently if that counts?

Only a little lag there, but then it only runs 2/3 the boost that an ST does...

[anonymous-user]

Thumbs firmly up from me. That weight isn't too far off a clio 172 cup and yet it has forged wheels, lsd, Sachs dampers and 220bhp

It'll be chuffing hilarious to drive

[CupMeister]

I just can’t get past how ugly the Yaris is, and what £26k can buy on the used market.

[RedVVC]

A really fun drive in an early version at Silverstone late last year. Very controllable - Just wanted to keep on going, but they made me stop.

[court]

Interesting, at least to me that Toyota only seem to do a 3-door Yaris in North America.

Don't confuse Sachs Performance with Sachs OEM stuff. Similar suspension setup for the GT86 is over £1500.

I really really like it and will certainly keep an eye on used ones.

[Mike1990]

I don’t think the price is to bad for what you get IMHO, I’am sure the RRP of 208 GTi By Peugeot Sport was like 23k+, the Renaultsport 220 Trophy/Fiesta ST M-Sport, all similar and the Mini JCW Challenge at near 30k, hell even my Corsa VXR Nurburgring was 22k before options back in the day, seems to be about the average figure for the more harder, focused Hot Hatches in that segment.

Obviously no ones pays that as its all Lease/PCP brigade but, oh well lol.

[kambites]

CABC said:

genuine question: what cars do think have a responsive turbo?

Without some sort of anti-lag system (or a time machine) "responsive turbo" is a contradiction in terms. It's just a question of exactly how unresponsive they are.

[gweaver]

RedVVC said:

A really fun drive in an early version at Silverstone late last year. Very controllable - Just wanted to keep on going, but they made me stop.

Which car with the VVC?

[KJH]

xjay1337 said:

You can get Bilstein Clubsports for £3000.
don't need a supercharger, just get a remap (£300).
forged alloys around £1500
LSD £1000

????

You get your full warranty with that from Toyota?

[Mintbird]

xjay1337 said:

LasseV said:

Forged alloys are like 3k€ and lsd is 1k€ plus installation. These are truly expensive parts.

Depends if you want 19 inch multi piece scene wheels or decent 17" Performance alloys.

TSW Bathhurst (forged) in 17x8 - £1055.
Not fully forged but more than enough.

Likewise a set of decent pressure cast alloys (such as Team Dynamics Pro Race) are cheap around £500 a set and light and strong (used in BTCC).

LSD can be expensive but not prohibitively so. The expensive part of removal of factory gearbox and splitting. If an LSD was installed by the original gearbox manufacturer it would be a lot cheaper.
Either way a Peloquin or Quaife ATB diff is around £700 for most applications (plus installation) and a plated diff (Gripped) is around £1200.

Point is you can start with arguably a better "car" (EG Fiesta ST) and spend a little bit of money on it and you have something which is just as, if not more, capable.

I do like this Yaris but it would be cheaper to buy a standard one and modify it... lol

we are in the 300bhp/ton buy a barrel of oil and service your bentley continental GT yourself echelons now....

[samoht]

Cool stuff, always great to see Toyota having a little bit of fun.

Personally I would love to see the GRMN team move on to the GT86 platform next - a chassis tune and supercharger, backed by factory warranty, would be very appealing on that car!

[Peanus]

You could spend £20k on a fiesta with a mountune kit to equalise the power difference and probably have just as much fun than spending £26k on this car.

[s m]

kambites said:

tomsugden said:

I'm surprised it's not quicker with 212bhp and 1135kg? My old Audi S1 had 20 more bhp and a whole lot more weight than this, and still did the 0-60 sprint in about 5.5.

How many FWD cars are quicker off the line? 0-60 in 6.1 seconds isn't exactly slow.

It certainly should be able to manage times around that mark......however, I've not seen an actual timed test anywhere ( anyone seen one ) to see if it will actually do it. Doesn't say whether those claimed times are done on the sticky Bridgestones or just the normal RE050s either.
Manufacturers claimed performance figures can often be like their claimed weights from what I've seen.
Certainly there's not many FWD road cars that can get close to low 6s or high 5s, Civic Type Rs, old and new, Integra Type R, Cooper S Works/GP Minis, Fiat Coupé Turbo, Rover Tomcat Turbo, Focus RS

For cars close to the claimed weight of the GRMN's 1135kg it goes down to a smaller group like the older Civics, Integra, Rover Tomcat and some Minis

I hope Autocar and EVO get a chance to test one - be interested to hear how it compares to something like a hot Mini or old Integra/Mk1 Focus RS

[df76]

s m said:

I hope Autocar and EVO get a chance to test one - be interested to hear how it compares to something like a hot Mini or old Integra/Mk1 Focus RS

Believe that EVO has a test of the Yaris in the coming mag..

[CABC]

df76 said:

Believe that EVO has a test of the Yaris in the coming mag..

it's online now and praises the car highly for pure driving characteristics and lag-free responsive engine.